Title: The Shield Chain
Description: The New Skill... Paladin's Spiral?
Calx Zinra - December 29, 2005 02:42 PM (GMT)
Shield Chain (Shield Boomerang LV 5. )
Range: 1
Attack Type: Non-elemental, physical Range attack
Casting / After-Cast Delay: 1 Sec. / 2 Sec.
Etc.: Requires a shield to be equipped.
Type: Active Skill [ Max 5 LV ]
Target: Single Enemy
Description: Using the shield, you will deal 5 repeated attack in a single skill. Hit chance of this skill depends on your HIT rate, and additional damage can be gained by having the shield to have high refined rate and having a heavy shield. Final damage will include subtraction from enemy DEF as well. SP taken increases as you use higher level of this skill.
Skill LV - Damage + - HIT Bonus - SP Taken
1 - 30% - +20 - 28
2 - 60% - +20 - 31
3 - 90% - +20 - 34
4 - 120% - +20 - 37
5 - 150% - +20 - 40
Whats your first impression about this skill?
For me, i really think its not that great. Although i cant really prove it. Its my first impression
Even with 5 hits. 150% * 5 = 750% damage + 10 hit with 1sec cast time and 2 sec after cast delay and 40 sp cost? wth! So my first impression is..
It would be a great skill if they only give it some status ailment effect or increase damage or maybe make it a range attack(or ingnore the def of the enemy)
Edit: Skill updated:
1) Shield Chain
- Skill can now be used from 4 cells away.
- Can now use different levels.
- HIT bonus is now fixed to +20.
Taken from RI Boards...
well? comments? PoVs?
Mad_Crosser - December 29, 2005 02:51 PM (GMT)
this is suited mainly for those str build paladins, its a stronger version of bash. or a paladin's version of finger offensive (which is a tad weaker), or a gypsy's arrow vulcan. this skill works best on high str paladins (100-120 ones)
of course that 150% damage per hit is still increased by the shield's weight and upgrades...so its still a nice skill, since it can also be endowed to ignore immune and gr. ;)
and i think it should make status inflicting more easier for slow aspd paladins. but anyway, i wont be getting it, since ill be getting defending aura. ;)
O313 - December 29, 2005 03:01 PM (GMT)
maganda e2 e combine sa agi str type na holy crosser
gawa ako cguro whehehe
Calx Zinra - December 29, 2005 03:01 PM (GMT)
Uhh it is always neutral accdg to kRO's latest patch. and it can't be endowed XD.
I see this build erm.. a little weak for teh damage I think. pero look at the hits
/kis (status effects)
Calx Zinra - December 29, 2005 03:03 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (RI Board Member) |
He is assuming that +150% means an addition of 150% onto your original 100% dmg.
Could be right, could be wrong. We dont have the skill so no way to prove or disprove.
EDIT: lvl 1 shield chain has a 30% damage mod. Person Z do you honestly think that the skill will LOWER your dmg by 70%?!!
Its obviously a messed up translation and I believe he is right, its a 150% bonus onto original 100% = 250% dmg.
EDIT2: Formula says "Damage +" then the % so if you deal 100 dmg on a regular attack, the formula for lvl 1 is (100 dmg + (100 x .3)) x 5 = 650 dmg.
with 100 dmg attack lvl 5 would be: (100 + (100 x 1.5)) x 5 = 1250 dmg.
lets consider sp efficiency then. with bash its 400% dmg so a lvl 10 bash would deal 400 in this case and would take 3 uses to equal roughly the dmg of the 1 shield chain. 15 x 3 = 45.
Shield Chain wins. And its ranged. |
I tried my 252 base attack...
(wala ako formula dun sa weight so, calculation might be wrong)
{[252+ (252 * 1.5)] x 5 } = 3150 or 630 per attack
*Imagines spiral pierce*
Uy, same din sya sa spiral pierce sa mga casting etc right?
/sob need ko mag isip uli
BTW, Uhh wait.. gotta ask kenj0:
can this skill be used in junction with the Sacrifice? Since Sacri is a pre cast? O__o
Calx Zinra - December 29, 2005 03:48 PM (GMT)
Corzair - December 29, 2005 03:58 PM (GMT)
Hey at least you're Shield Chain is better than the knights quest skill
Calx Zinra - December 29, 2005 04:34 PM (GMT)
Since there are no calculations yet for the Shield Chain, iRO peeps and some kRO testers say that, the Shield Chain's damage is also the same with Lv5 Shield Boom, so assuming
| QUOTE |
Shield Boom Formula: Formula 250% * (Punch_Damage + Shield_Weight + 10*Shield_Upgrade) * Element_Cards * Racial_Cards * Size_Cards |
accdg to the poster:
Edited: After doing some calculation, I think the formula would be more accurate if the Shield Upgrade factor is not included in the brackets i.e.
{250% * (Punch_Damage + Shield_Weight) * Element_Cards * Racial_Cards * Size_Cards} + 10*Shield_Upgrade
so we all have to do is to multipy the resultant from the calculation above, multiply by 5 (5 hits).
Note to myself: continue reading page 12 of Shield Chain topic.
ot: tulog na muna /p_sleep
Kenj0 - December 30, 2005 01:34 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Xcelsion @ Dec 29 2005, 11:03 PM) |
BTW, Uhh wait.. gotta ask kenj0:
can this skill be used in junction with the Sacrifice? Since Sacri is a pre cast? O__o |
haha, yes, you can cast any skill while in sacrifice mode hindi mawawala sacrifice mo unless you land 5 normal attacks to your enemy.
So you can do, Bash, Normal(sacrifice), Bash, Normal(sacrifice) so on.. /no1
Nmadiko - December 30, 2005 05:19 AM (GMT)
damn shield chain...... amf.......... 12k+ amf..........monster un ryt??? or baka naaman with lex un??? baka pag tumama un sa player 1k-3k baka para ring sacrifice un ryt?
Corzair - December 30, 2005 05:33 AM (GMT)
@^
Xcelsion said it was lexed. But nonethless masyado ata malakas yan para sa isang quest skill lang..
erbs - December 30, 2005 05:38 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Corzair @ Dec 30 2005, 01:33 PM) |
@^ Xcelsion said it was lexed. But nonethless masyado ata malakas yan para sa isang quest skill lang.. |
shield chain is not a quest skill po its a addtional skill of a paladin prng acid demo of creator & mana recharge ng high priest
Corzair - December 30, 2005 05:44 AM (GMT)
@^
Ahhh ok.. kala ko kasi quest skills po kasi nakalagay cya dun sa 2nd job quest skills na thread /sry
Calx Zinra - December 30, 2005 06:03 AM (GMT)
Even though it was lexed. 6k IS NO JOKE.
Nahahalata ko yung mga hindi nag babasa at hindi nag iintindi,
oh well, ganyan ka din dun a Monk/Champion Thread, nag tanong ka ng ilang ulit kung san papalevel yung 98 monk mo, we replied so many times, didn't even care to read the earlier pages. damn.. mag bago ka.
Calx Zinra - December 30, 2005 08:40 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE |
| QUOTE | 4x bloody blade is better dmg than 2x bloody boned saber for shield boom so should be the same for shield chain. What I would like to know. -does it work with endow? -damage bonus every + with no weapon equiped -dmg difference in weight (shield vs mirror shield) -does pneuma block it? -does safty wall block it? -spam frequency how fast can you cast it compared to MR -dmg input (known shield upgrade weapon str dex luck and weapon)(expecting 5k on 1-1 def with 100 str/50 dex +7 shield 4x blade) |
Hmm havent tested this so far. (i mean the 4X bloody blade = stronger than double bloody boned pike.. cus i doubt it when you have both at lvl 10).
Endowment: dont think this works, at least aspersio doesnt work and cus the endow by a sage only gives the weapon an element, i dont think this works either.
Shield Weight: with my stats (incl cards etc) the difference between using a +6 shield (6215damage on a batho, with double bloody, double boned +10 pike) and +6 mirror shield (6170 damage with same equips) is minimal.
Shield refinement rate: also a very low influence on the damage. A plus 0 shield does 6175, compared to the plus 6 shield which did 6215. This is a bummer, since you hardly get the benefits of the higher refinement rate (except your own defense offcourse ^^)
Pneuma: Pneuma blocks Spiral Pierce, but it doesnt block SC as far as i know. I will come back at this soon (sorry for not being here much ^^).
Safety Wall: i could test this at angeling. So i just did it for you guys and woohoo im still hitting him with shield cain ^^!
Spam frequency: the skill has a load bar, which is sucky.. But its nice when people are stunned when you used your stunbash!
Last point: i have no clue what you mean lol
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New Calculation•Shield Chain(5 hits)
Delay : 1 sec
SdCn dmg(per 1 Hit) = [((Bare hand Atk+ shield weight + refining value + BonusWeaponUpgrate)*SkillMod + 100)*CardMod + unknown damage(0~5)]
Sample Pic for Shield Chain** PS. The picture above had been taken from Kro Server. It's not based on my MR build coz this skill hasn't been implemented in Thai RO yet.
Calculation Assume that the Status with buff of Paladin are as follow: Str = 110
Dex = 60
Luk = 1
Weapon = +0 Blade 3 Hydra 1 SW
Shield = +8 Shield with Thara Frog Card
Where;
Bare Hand Atk = Str + [Str/10]^2 + [Dex/5] + [Luk/5] + Impotisio Magnus = 110 + [110/10]^2 + [60/5] + [1/5] + 25 = 268
Shield Weight = Shield = 130
Refining Value = +8 = 8
LV 5 = 250% = 2.5
weapon upgrade bonus = 0
Card Mod = 3 Hydra 1 SW = 1.84
Unknown Damage = (Max. Case) = 5
Max Shield Chain Damage = ((268+ 130 + 8)*2.5+ 100)* 1.84 + 5 = 2057/hit
Consequently, Total Damage of Shield Chain (5 Hits) = 2057 x 5 = 10,285
As can be seen from the formula above, this skill ignores vit/def but still take flee of your target into account. Keep it in mind that the above damage hasn't been reduced by poo poo hat, Raydric and Thara Frog yet.
The information about the monster in the picture above can be seen from the link below.
http://www.dvdgameonline.com/forums/index....showtopic=34629===================================
Reference: http://www.dvdgameonline.com/forums/index....opic=34632&st=0 http://www.roempire.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98857
Calx Zinra - December 30, 2005 08:52 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE |
I think it about the element of each monster since they have diffirent type of element. Also, we have no idea about which type of weapon that he has been using as well as the support and status that he has.
But if you look at the element of each monster you'll see that those who weak against some element suffer more damage than those who not weak against any element. So, I guess he might using different type of element weapon for each type of monster. (only guessing)
Then for those who are not weak against any element he might using +10 blade 3 hydra 1 SW which the out come damage is very close to what I have been calculated.
For example, Thief suffer only 11k coz their element is poison while swordman, marchant and magician suffer a lot. |
Look nyo tong thread na to:
Screenies
f.!.d.e.s. - December 30, 2005 08:35 PM (GMT)
uhmm...w8 w8...shield gnagamit nito dba??? so it means na always physical xa like asura??? kng ganun mas ok pa ren un spiral pierce cause pwd xa enchant...
btw, mei cast tym ba ito???
/ok
senxa kng medyo matanong aku ksi tnatamad aku magbasa... /heh
Calx Zinra - December 31, 2005 03:02 AM (GMT)
well mag basa ka ng page 1.
Bathrust_Ala_Carte - January 1, 2006 07:43 AM (GMT)
oh well,ok na ok yan skill na yan sa build ko...very suitable...110 str...ok dagdag nun sa damage nyan...so as soon as that comes out you can hire me for testing!! /gg /gg /gg
Calx Zinra - January 1, 2006 07:59 AM (GMT)
wah, bakit may fee ka na, akala ko donations lang /gg
balitaan mo kami sa progress ng testing mo ha sa pagdating nyan /gg
tekto - January 1, 2006 08:09 AM (GMT)
na try ko na tong skill na to sa private server and its spammable. its pretty gud. :) kasi lock yung kalaban eh
Bathrust_Ala_Carte - January 1, 2006 08:12 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Xcelsion @ Jan 1 2006, 03:59 PM) |
wah, bakit may fee ka na, akala ko donations lang /gg
balitaan mo kami sa progress ng testing mo ha sa pagdating nyan /gg |
onga po ala fee,pero xempre kelangan ko ng mga ka-sparring para matest ko ung skill...and oo tip lang ok na sken /gg /gg /gg
Ikamuni? - January 2, 2006 06:28 AM (GMT)
@Xcel
Wahaha ambait mo naman ni-share mo pa mga nalalaman mo. /gg
@Topic
Yung Shield Chain ba pag nag miss may mga little damage? Parang ung FO ng monk, may 2-digit damage per hit pag nag miss.
-=Ry Stormie=- - January 2, 2006 06:38 AM (GMT)
ang alam ko my 1 second cooldown ang skill n 2.. and ika pede cia mag miss.. i also tried the new quest skill sa priv8(Shrink).. mejo ok din.. 50% chance to knockback the enemy 2 tiles when u successfully block by auto guard..
Bathrust_Ala_Carte - January 2, 2006 07:33 AM (GMT)
@^
ung shrink...isn't it inconvenient for the paladin him/herself kc maknknockback ung target kng plage maaauto guard? kc lalapit pa tau bla bla bla...parang unwillingly knocked back tapos hassle pa sobra....shield charge nlng dba...pero active skill un dba??
.,.Ginji_Amano.,. - January 2, 2006 09:55 AM (GMT)
astig din pla shield chain, kelan b yan m implement next patch n ba??
~kyl~ - January 2, 2006 10:14 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (.,.Ginji_Amano.,. @ Jan 2 2006, 05:55 PM) |
| astig din pla shield chain, kelan b yan m implement next patch n ba?? |
episode 12
.,.Ginji_Amano.,. - January 2, 2006 10:20 AM (GMT)
@^
aw sakto para kay lucia yan d p n rerebirth un
Ikamuni? - January 2, 2006 10:24 AM (GMT)
@Topic
Quest skill to diba? Ano ung quest?
@Ginji
Tol, kakilala mo ba si Lucia? Pakiremind naman siya dun sa duel namin. Salamat.
.,.Ginji_Amano.,. - January 2, 2006 10:28 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Ikamuni? @ Jan 2 2006, 06:24 PM) |
@Topic Quest skill to diba? Ano ung quest?
@Ginji Tol, kakilala mo ba si Lucia? Pakiremind naman siya dun sa duel namin. Salamat. |
uu kakilala ko cge sabihin ko sa kanya.. /swt /swt
~kyl~ - January 2, 2006 10:35 AM (GMT)
yup nid nya un...pero ewan ko lang ke MASTAH IkaMONEY :lol:
Ikamuni? - January 2, 2006 11:09 AM (GMT)
Sa totoo lang di ako kukuha ng Shield Chain sa 1st paladin(lkamuni?) na ggawin ko. Total str ko is the minimum for the paladin class.
Pero different story na dun sa 2nd paladin(Ikamuni?) na ggawin ko. /gg
Naiisip ko na..... Naglalaway na ako mapa paladin ung original crusader ko. /gg Sarap ng shield chain nyahahah!
Calx Zinra - January 2, 2006 11:17 AM (GMT)
@^ My master saks, please people of midgard, forgive him.
My apologies, on behalf of my master /sry
-=Ry Stormie=- - January 2, 2006 12:40 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Bathrust_Ala_Carte @ Jan 2 2006, 03:33 PM) |
@^ ung shrink...isn't it inconvenient for the paladin him/herself kc maknknockback ung target kng plage maaauto guard? kc lalapit pa tau bla bla bla...parang unwillingly knocked back tapos hassle pa sobra....shield charge nlng dba...pero active skill un dba?? |
yup active cia.. helpful to sa mobs hehe.. pero pag 1 on 1 lang ur ryt hassle coz lalapit ka pa.. /heh
Lucia - January 2, 2006 12:41 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Ikamuni? @ Jan 2 2006, 06:24 PM) |
@Topic Quest skill to diba? Ano ung quest?
@Ginji Tol, kakilala mo ba si Lucia? Pakiremind naman siya dun sa duel namin. Salamat. |
kung ready ka na pvp na tyo ngayon but im not dueling ur way, u must fight my way. pure crusader skills tyo no status etc. build to build equips to equips.
ps. thanks for banning me on this boards.
-=Ry Stormie=- - January 2, 2006 01:22 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Lucia @ Jan 2 2006, 08:41 PM) |
| QUOTE (Ikamuni? @ Jan 2 2006, 06:24 PM) | @Topic Quest skill to diba? Ano ung quest?
@Ginji Tol, kakilala mo ba si Lucia? Pakiremind naman siya dun sa duel namin. Salamat. |
kung ready ka na pvp na tyo ngayon but im not dueling ur way, u must fight my way. pure crusader skills tyo no status etc. build to build equips to equips.
ps. thanks for banning me on this boards.
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@^
darth lucia returns /gg
Ikamuni? - January 2, 2006 03:35 PM (GMT)
@Xcelsion
Anong saks? /gg
@Topic
Ep12 pa raw to! Masyado kayong excited! Ano kayo, ako? :p
Calx Zinra - January 2, 2006 03:51 PM (GMT)
@Master
Sobrang Astiga Ka Shet
yun po /sob
wak mu po parusahan
~kyl~ - January 2, 2006 04:13 PM (GMT)
Guys Linis ako Sometime ng mga Trash...Job Thread k c d2...d PVP section
Bathrust_Ala_Carte - January 2, 2006 09:30 PM (GMT)
amfufu excited tlga ako sobra...khit ep 12 pa 2... e2 lang naman kc magpapalakas sa paladin ko ng sobra eh....perfect tlga ung skill sa build ko pwamis :faint: :faint: :faint: ...kakasawa na kc idaan mga 1 on 1 match ko sa bash at holy cross at shield tactics eh /heh /heh /heh ....saka para naman may pang agre-mode ako na nde nakakasakit sa sarili...lakas kumain ng pots ang sacri eh /sob /sob