anti GMA.

should there really be a pro and anti gma?? /sob

Yang division na yan ang sumisira sa bayan natin for ages.Whether its GMA,Erap,FVR or Cory,laging may anti at may pro

unfortunately yes. if gma allowed impeachment the division would stop. besides Philippines is a democratic country. there is always anti and pro.

demockracy... /sob

yeah let's divide more!! you know what in every regime there is always a flaw in it. and im tired of people saying "ibagsak si gloria" if you think people that she is so flipin corrupt then do us a fover why don't you find someone that can go to her and shoot her til she does. and do that to every flipin greedstricken hogs of this country and you'll realize that you've killed the majority of the politicians

For me, di ko gusto admin ni GMA, meaning parang anti GMA na rin ako...but there is nothing we can do bout it anymore...andun na sya eh...we should appreciate and accept her as our president instead of cursing her, filing hundreds of impeachment complaints, and doing protest and rallies....ask me why? coz kung puro ganyan ang gagawin natin until 2010 e walang mangyayari sa ating bansa. Instead of focusing on more relevant problems e nada-divert ung attentions sa mga impeachment impeachment na yan. LET IT BE! the damage has been done! all we can do is wait until 2010(that is the next election). lets just support whatever she has in mind provided it is for the betterment of our people...hope you get what i mean...

^yeah tama ka saka lahat naman cguro na naging presidente i guess ay gumawa din kanya kangyang milagro. yun nga lang swerte cla at di na halata at napatanuyan. saka ngayun lang naman nangyayari tong empeachment and all this rants in the streets eh dahil sa kasalayung estado ng ating bansa. bakit may nag complain ba sa mga mamamayan sa pagiging corrupt ng ating mga pulitiko nung masagana at di pa gaanung malala ang ating ekonomiya? anyway like i always say its useless to just complain about the current problems, in stead of getting pissed about why don't people do something productive. on the other hand its easier said than done.

i know a saying "for evil to triumph is when good men do nothing. im still hopefull na before 2006 ousted na si GMA. she might escape impeachment again but not people power. especially this 2007 we will vote again new sets of congressman. the root of the problem is GMA itself. Dont be contended of GMA until 2010. makakatiis pa ba kayo nyan? gising na bayan! MAKIBAKA! PAGBABAGO! hehe

lge nmn mei anti e.. d nmn nwwlan ng anti.. nung dte gs2ng gs2 ng tao c erap.. tpos nagsawa na ata ke erap kya aun pinatalsik.. sbe pag nwla na dw c erap ggnda n dw ang buhay sa pilipinas.. tpos ngyn c gloria nmn.. nung nagsawa nrin ke gloria, aun cgawan n nmn sa kalye, sandamakmak ng impeachment ek ek na kng ano ano.. pra dw gmnda ang pilipinas, kelangan dw mapatalsik na c gloria.. hmm /hmm cgro kng npatalsik na c gloria instant bglang ggnda na agd pilipinas e nuh?! /hmm cgro nmn kng pplit na presidente c susan roces, o kaya c ping lacson, o kaya c escudero o kaya ung mga party list rep o kaya ung mga nagccgaw cgaw jan sa tapat ng skul nmin o kaya ung baliw na nkakasabay ko sa jip na wlang nasabing iba kundi gaano xa glit ke gloria.. cgro kng cla nlng ang pumalit ke gloria msya na e nuh.. ggnda na bgla ang pilipinas... /hmm sana nga e nuh.. 8->

nde ako anti gloria pero mas lalaong nde ako pro gloria pero sa nakikita ko kahit ma impeach si gloria o kahit sinong presidente pa ang pumalit kay gloria hindi na uunlad ang pilipinas! maghihirap at maghirap lalo ang pilipinas sa dami ng mga kurakot sa gobyerno!!! wala lang pansin ko lang!!!

:diespam:

it doesn't wat side you are on

what matters is the government not doing their job

instead of them working for us they are working for themselves

the poor gets poorer while the rich gets richer

that's why philippines is getting poorer everyday

and by the way

if its election time the politicians have promise many things

and promises are meant to be broken

we nid to select propertly who we elect for the government

to make matters short EVERYONE HAS A HIDDEN AGENDA its that simple

parang contradicting ung sinasabi mo...yer saying the division will disappear when

gma would allow the impeachment and yet you say theres always be

an anti and pro...

medyo nalito ako...pero from my POV yes it doesnt really matter people are

old enough to understand the situation in our country...

like what ive been saying....

" a worry free endeavor....do your own thing to succeed"

and if yer kind enough to share it with those people who are in need

much better....

sawang sawa na ako sa mga rally rally na yan...nahihinto ang pag unlad

ng bayan...if those people in the opposition spend their time thinking of

ways to improve the country well and good...this goes same for those

law makers in the administration...

this will be a never ending debate for us..or for people whose anti and pro..

as long as some1 occupies the highest seat in the nation we will always

have this arguement...

whoever is the elected president will still be grilled for this and that...

pro GMA and pro to cha-cha

pag nging parliamentary govt. na ung bi cameral will turned into uni cameral then ung mga kurakot na pulitiko ssipain nlng kung saan..

bawas pork barrel na milyones bawas kurakot pa /heh

@elaine

what gma is doing is pushing for a charter change as well as change of the system wil indeed change our lives to a better one. thats not true. there is nothing wrong with the system. what is wrong is the people who are being elected. so this 2007 if we will have our elections for our congressmen please choose those who are for the truth, justice and morality. most of the people think that if indeed GMA is ousted there is no better alternative. so if there is no alternative just let her stay till 2010. nope! no way! I think God will raise up good and Godly leaders. I think is about time we pray for a good leader. When was the last time you pray for the best leader in the country?

anti GMA ako!!

daming mga pinatay n Leader ng(bayan muna,anak pawis etc.) mula nung umupo xa...mas masahol p xa kay Marcos..para xang pinagsamang Erap at Marcos..
corrupt n,sugapa p s power../e5

hmm sa panahon kaya ngaun meron pang leaders who are for the truth, justice
and morality.. kung titignan lhat ng mamamayan ng pilipinas nagbabayad ng buwis
bilang contribusyon..ngaun san nppunta ung mga bnbyad n un?? ang ssbhin nila pnang ppgawa ng kung anu o bnbyad kung saan.. but if you will take a look sa chart ng budget ng pilipinas ( not that palace have) 1/8 - 1/4 lang ang n kokonsumo ng pilipinas at ng mamamayan nito.. tpos ang 3/4 nito.. kanya kanya ng bulsa at pati nren ang mga milyones na pork barrels ng mga pulitiko.. kya kung uusisiin ang mga ari arian ng mga ito.. ngkakahalaga halos ng 100 milyon pataas bawat isang pulitiko..

ako pro gma pero anti constitutional change, more on away kong maging parlementaryo ang goverment natin. sa ngayon walang maka galaw sa bat panig ng di lumalabas ang baho ng isat isa, which is a good thing to get to know it's certain pro and cons. good for the people its democarcy at work. masmatatakot pa ako kung ok ang lahat pero na babaon naman ang bansa natin sa utang, lahat na cguro nun may porsyentoh. mas polido ngayon dahil maraming mata ang nagbabantay sa galaw ng bawat isa.

Hindi ako mag vo vote sa poll. Why? Read on.

Agree ako dun sa pag decentralization. Though this doesn't have to tag along with the cha-cha.

One indication na nagde develop na ang isang country ay pag hindi lang sa few/selected cities naka concentrate ang economy. At kung lahat ng provinces ay easily accessible. (which aren't, hanggang ngayon)

Ang masama kasi, parang asa lang tayo sa "main" cities (ex. NCR, Cebu) when we have so many potentially good provinces.

In Metro Manila, we also have this mentality na pag hindi ka sa "Makati or sa Ortigas" na wo-work e hindi maganda trabaho mo.
Or that cities outside are still "rural". Dead wrong.

Kung ang ports natin ay mas marami, mas regulated at mas natutuunan ng pansin magiging malaking boost un sa economy. Do you guys know that it takes almost 6 hours para lang mababa ang goods from a carrier dyan sa Manila? Not to mention na bottle-neck ang Customs when they don't even regulate properly. Isang barko lang un. E di ba syempre me iba pa?

We're a friggin archipelago and we're acting like we aren't.
If GMA is doing something about it then that's good, right?

But then again, if you put it in the context of a parent, just because you're giving a bigger allowance to your kid doesn't necessarily mean you're a good parent. What if you don't talk to your kid or mistreat them? Bigyan mo lang pera/luho/toys ok na sila?

Same goes to how GMA runs things. Is having a good economy (which we STILL don't have) enough to qualm human rights violation?

As for the question: It's not really a matter if you're PRO or against GMA. Because not ALL of her, nor the other parties', actions have been good nor bad.

If you're solidly just against her or solidly just for her, then you're turning a blind eye on something important, right?

Every president we get the people just keep complaining.....

Majority of the votes were for GMA and why would they want her out when they are responsible for putting her in place....

How can the President work with all your complains about the elections?
How can she help the country when all the people do is complain about her and tell her she sucks?

Just let her do her work and wait for the next elections...

waaa lumamang na ang pro :lolwave:

true ^ ^ true agree ako dyan

@topic

sa totoo lang wala ako pakialam sa mga lawmakers or politicans d2 sa pinas.

pro para sakin GMA's doin good! ang problema lang naman eh yung mga opposition

na walang gnwa kungdi magreklamo at maghanap ng butas para ikasira ng

nakaupong presidente... OK ang presidente! ang mga kups ay yung mga kasama nya

sa senado at house of eps ( sry REPS pala!)...

@

yeah you're right. let's just support GMA in whatever GOOD plan she have for the Filipino community. Anumang complaint natin due to her shortcomings e wala na talaga tayo magagawa jan. She's already there in her seat. Every politician has a "big bad wolf" side...unpredictable...and varies in level(level of being corrupt heheh ^^)...oh well....lalalala...this is how the world we live in goes around...sad story lagi... =(

if uv been watching tv lately,, bka makita nyo ung ads ng san miguel beer.. hnd ung kei pacquiao ah,, ung mga mei msgs to us filipinos.. gling pagkakagwa e..

there's a group of students, nagtatalo cla sa kng ano dpat skyan nla pra mkrting dun sa ppntahan nla.. d cla mkapag agree sa isng bagay dhl mei knya knya clang gs2ng skyan at bwat isa mei reklamo dun sa napili ng isa.. at dhl sa kaka disagree nla at kakareklamo, inabot cla ng gbe andun prin sa mei kalye naghhntay prin ng kng ano ba ang msskyan nla...

saka mron pa ung isa, c johnny delgado nmn ang ngsslita.. uhmm bka npnood nyo lng... gnda mga msgs e.. /no1

johnny delgado

-kung sa ibang bansa, nagpapakatino tayo...
bakit hindi naten gawin dito sa sarili naten bansa?

for me im not really a pro-GMA, i just support the government because COMPARATIVELY sa ibang past leaders natin, she's sdone a good job.

dun sa sinabi ni johnny delgado, agree ako dun. kng iisipin nyo, naging ganito lng ung philippines since the martial law at nung time ni marcos, before it we really didn't have this bad image on the government. compared sa previous president before martial law, d ko masasabi n mas maganda ung nagawa ng governemnt ngaun pero with the current stuation ng bansa natin, ok narin unand they got my support.

sa tingin nyo kng si carlos p garcia, romulo, macapagal(diosdado) ang naging presidente natin after martial law mas maganda b lagay ng philippines ngaun? do they really have the answers? You would say they have right kasi mas maganda naman lagay ng philippines before but if you think it carefully, kng bumagsak n ung peso sa panahon nila at nangyari n ung martial law? I gues they would face the same problem that gloria is facing now.

pero bakit nga ba mas asenso tau nun..? kahit siguro im not in up ngaun o kahit mga elementary student alam sagot dyan. kumakanta p nga sila e ~..together we stand divided we fall../ho~ :cheerl:

^^ man whatever... your take sucks

you're assuming a lot of things. well i'll let that past as long as you provide evidence of this

im agreeing that we have to support GMA on her good projects... but please don't say this

that was a dirty election... i had a friend that volunteered in a polling office and they were basically giving out cash for your vote so please... (GMA) and guess who was shelling out the cash (military)

so let's leave that argument out...

again im sayng we should support her good work but we must criticize her
for her big shortcomings. let's not look the other way just because she's the president.

and i agree w/ Tsunade's post :) lots of changes must be made.

ill stop being an idiot now and will engage in a conversaton w/ a clear mind :)

and last insulting comment...

puwede ba kung gusto magreklamo ng tao magreklamo sya lalo na kung may basis yung punyemas na reklamo nya.
ang kakapal ng mukha ninyong sabihing wag magreklamo kayo ba nawlaan ng kapatid ng kaibigan dahil pinapatay ng militar... nasira ba buhay nyo dahil tibak kayo? hindi ba kayo makakain araw-araw? hayaan nyo sila magreklamo!!!!

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Posted on Aug 29 2006, 02:12 AM

naging gago ako magrespond sa section na to dahil may mga insights ako na ayoko na rin ipamahagi pero mula ngayon ill take every post seriously sorry na :)

@orhe
Please avoid DOUBLE POSTING, if you feel like you've forgotten to say something in your previous post, please just EDIT it. I will be MERGING your posts, and I will be deleting the other one. Thank you.

when did we ever had clean elections?


i lost a friend sa sinasabi mong pinatay ng militar...and bakit sya pinatay?

sumali sa grupong dapat di sinalihan...

and again people do have the right to express their frustrations with the

government..complain of this and that and they have the right to remain

silent and let things be...

for my stand i simply dont care anymore..what ever you say or explain

i dont care lol...

worry free endeavor do your own thing to succeed...and if you have

the heart to share it to others so be it if none...totally fine with me..

flip this crap, blaming the president for all these political killings. we can't just blame the president for it, unless we have all the proof in the world. yes some people in the military might be behind these killings but it doesn't mean that the president is the the one who ordered it. why would she do that? out of fear that people will arm themselves and rebel? its possible but i tell you it wont succeed for this country is so tired of doing the same shit over and over again. and besides there are alot of other sectors that exploit this issue so that they can do their dirty works and keep the president as an escapegoat.

@orhe
Please do not use profane or offensive words. Every person who posts in this thread has the right to speak. Please respect that as much as they respect your own opinion and insights. Thank you.

well with regards to orhe's post i also don't like anyone causing trouble or unnecessary flaming to any poster here. but i guess it doesn't hurt to have some provocative words to spice things up a lil bit. i personally wont care if someone criticize me as long as its something that is purely opinion based and not a personal attack. just my two cents though. anyway i believe its better to follow the forum rules for the sake of everyone nalang. hehe

and btw manz's post has actually a good point. in fact its what i believe everyone should look at first before they even judge the president

@orhe

calma lng dude. and to set things straight, i agree with D-Grohl, la taung election n malinis. Sa sinasabi mong binabayaran twing election, luma n yan, my lolo lost a mayorial race sa amin jst because of that kaya its no suprise that all our post-martial law presidents dumaan dito except for cory. Sa mindanao, kpg wala kng backer(financer) to suppport ur campaign talo k tlga.

pero we must accept the truth na hindi lahat ng political killings ay gobyerno ang may kggwan. there are instances na dis leftist groups ang responsable s pagkawala ng iba nilang myembro.



@topic,

it is normal na magkaroon ng pro and anti GMA sa type ng government natin, kaya nga may political parties eh. so it will be obvious na ung Pro GMA ung mga nsa administration parties and anti GMA ung mga nasa opposition.

kaya lng masyadong ginagwng political arena ng mga politicians natin ung congress at senate, puro sila pagpapagwapo at pagpapel. mukhang nakaklimutan n nila ung pinaka main purpose ng pag occupy nila sa mga posisiyon nila which is to serve the country.

ang nangyayri kc especially the opposition puro paghalukay sa kasiraan ng administration ang ginagawa nila. imbes na pag usapan ang mga bills na ginawa nila, eh puro impeachment at iba ibang kaso nman ang binabato s presidente.

sa side nman ng administrasyon, kaya nga may CONCOM na to work for possible government transition, wag na sana silang makialam.



on my personal side, i think GMA is doing a good job in running the country GENERALLY. although may mga bagay or aspect na npapabayaan, in general for me she's doin good.

the point is, maraming political killings ginagawa ng government. or else you should have said "karamihan ng political killings ay hindi gobyerno ang may kagagawan".

cory used to be in the pro-gma side, she even helped her get there. but now she's not. hmmmm.. i wonder why.

tell that to madame president.

because it should be done. hello. kahit nga yung mga pro-gma dati, ngayon most of them are just making palusot para panindigan yung pagka pro-gma nila, like saying "there's nobody else but her" or speaking crap about opposition people not doing their job.

i agree with one thing alone...

this discussion about whos a better president for our country wont end

unless all of us agree on one thing..sino ba talga?

anyway for the mean time IMO why do we waste our time discussing this

hopeless discussion..

about the political killings i accepted this fact a long time ago..

if yer doin something that is bad for some1 expect to be killed..lol

about why cory turned against GMA i think its all about her hacienda.

about our political arena well its been like that since i can remember..

it differs with generation...and its getting dirtier everytime...and we dont

only need to tell it to our president...we should tell it to all politicians

and we should tell it to ourselves..we put em pigs there...

about the opposition.

for GODsakes stop yer useless claims and go back to work were paying

taxes and that taxes should be put into good use....and it goes same

for the pro admin people...do a better job make our country succesful

lastly i wish this thread will close...its tiring to read everytime..

I DONT CARE ANYMORE...politics is at its worst in this country.

@D-GROHL
as much as I wanted to help, I cannot close this thread, not unless the topic starter (dgenx) requests the thread to be closed. Sorry for the inconvience.

I'm not with the sides; I'm in middle, why?

Pros and Cons:

Arroyo is good and I can't see anyone whom deserves to sit at her current position. She is willing to help someone while others will respond very late. Well about Corruption, Every Politician is doing it, ryt? Do you agree w/ me? Obviously, we can see it through their properties that they own and the limitations of their estimated property ownerships have gone beyond the limits. About the Hello-Garci Scandal, I think there will be always a fraud during election, Do you agree w/me, again? /heh

However, Arroyo is dependent to those AFP Officers *No Namings* who made her ghastly... Just like Marcos, Because of the Influences of others, He became inferior and disrespected the rights of the people...

I think everyone has a advantages and disadvantages and if we will just criticize Arroyo as a Bad Leader, Why don't we look at her advantages, ryt? And as the saying goes "Nothing is Perfect!"

I hate it when people talk about politics. pero since andito na... hehehe... I hate Gloria Arroyo... Sana.... sana madapa sha now na... hehehe...

@^

you really hate her that much no? lolzz

anyways

hope this topic die.

:pwn3d:

mga reklamong karapatan na walang katungkulan.

tingnan ang sarili bago mangsisi.