dba in the gospel of genesis ni-narrate kung pano ginawa ang mundo?.. naisip ko lang kung pano nila nalaman ang pagkakasunod sunod ang pagkakagawa sa mundo..

Creation is described in Genesis 1:1 to 2:3 as occurring in six "days":
Day 1: creation of light and its separation from darkness.
Day 2: separation of the sky and oceans.
Day 3: separation of land from the oceans; spreading of plants and grass and trees across the land.
Day 4: Creation of the sun, moon, and stars.
Day 5: Creation of sea animals and birds.
Day 6: Creation of the land animals. Creation of humanity, "someone like ourselves" (Living Bible).
Day 7: God rested.


if the creation of man is on the sixth day.. how come that they know the order of creation on day 1-day 5?

As what my daddy said... "the people just made up that story, it is actually thousands of years, the early people formed that sentence to catch the attention of the people"

About sa order...
We'll it's only the people who've arranged them probably based on the artifacts that they have found. Do you know the time line of man? yung mga Glacial period, Archaic... That's where you'll see how they've arranged the days 1-5 in the bible.

you gotta have faith /gawi

so it means not all in the bible is true..

@^

it is possible, after all, it was written by different human scribes from various periods. but as with any religion, we follow by blind faith~ and faith in what we believe in is what is important. in fact, marami din naman versions ng bible din eh (King James version, etc).

@ the order

isn't it only logical? siguro naikwento na ni God kay Adam and Eve tapos tsinismis/kinuwento na nila sa iba or mga anak nila /heh

What if God told the author about it?

Nothing's impossible with faith.

ei, hindi po ako anti~ or somthing that opposes anybody's religion.. roman catholic po ako.. :) i'm just opening a topic that i'm really interested with..

btw.. saan nga po pala itinayo ang noah's ark?

@seph
I'm not saying it's not true... It's just that it was passed from one generation to the other. So parang hindi na masyadong accurate yung story. Take this as an example... The different "books" (chapter or authors... whatever you call them) If you've read the bible... one book has a different story from the other. Diba? May iba't ibang version...

@topic
Yung time line of man parin... there, you'd see how organisms evolve and all... that might answer your question. Notes ko toh nung grade school pa ko. /heh I'll try to look for it... then scan ko po para makita mo ^_^

@ seph

i get your point, hahaha, sometimes i wonder about it myself. i mean, not that i doubt or something like that, it is only human to be curious

@baby fel
i'm not just sticking on my question about the creation of the world and about the human being.. it was not the topic really.. the topic is about the confusing gospels in the bible..

here:
in the bible adam and eve had their children cain and abel.. silang dalawa lang.. question: kung silang dalawa lang ang anak nila ni adam at eve eh pano nagkaroon ng ibang tao.. pano dumami ang tao.. pinatay pa ni cain si abel.. kung nagkaron naman sila ng anak ulit which is preferably babae dapat.. eh bakit hindi kasama sa bible.. paano dumami ang tao kung sa family lang nila nagsimula ang tao..

@^

Obviously, it wasn't possible unless Cain f*cked Eve (Oedipus Complex). And when you really think about it, who the hell would have lived to tell the story if they were the only people around? Divine narration? They are a lot of errors in the Bible because the writters are just human beings. Human error is inevitable. I am still hoping that they didn't write it out of some dream they had, then people started believing to the point it became a religion. I've always feared in believing in the wrong thing because MAN has a natural tendency to create his own god and worship without knowing when, why and how it all began. Examples would be the; Greek pantheon (Zeus, Hades, and etc...), Egyptian pantheon (Ra, Seth, and etc), Norse mythology (Odin, Loki, Thor, and etc...). Take note of the pattern. There would always be the supreme almighty and the banished lord of evil.

There are even more errors or contradictory books that were taken of the collection because they thought it would not be for the good of the religion. When I said "they", I was referring to the 1st Roman council assembled to screen and rectify what is to be and not to be part of the Bible. This was not the first time the bible was edited... Before, I asked myself, "Why would you read and believe something that has been screened or rectified by bias and prejudice?". When you talk about truth that would be ALL things about something. Good or bad it shouldn't be hidden or removed.

@^

Genesis chapter 1-27 to 28

God created man in his imag, in the divine image, he created him; male and female he created them.

God blessed them saying "Be fertile and multiply, fill the earth and subdue it.. etc etc..


Genesis chapter 2-7 to 8

The Lord God formed man out of clay of the ground and blew into his nostrils, the breath of life, and so man became a living being.

Then the Lord God planted a garden in Eden, in the east, and he placed there the man whom he had formed ---

As you can see from the above quote, there were actually 2 stories about creation in Genesis. It could have been that after Adam and Eve were evicted from Eden, God made other people to populate the Earth.. or it could have been before, or during etc etc... to discuss supposed "inconsistencies" is like arguing whether or not God exists, which can't be argued through any other way but faith.

you got my point..

To avoid criticism and with respect to the believers.. I'll give you a short answer..

YES

A man once said to me, "The scriptures in the bible today are not the only scriptures that was made by the apostles or people who believed in the "Lord"" He said that there are scriptures that were recovered by the Roman Catholic Church that they didn't include in the bible... In these scriptures are different versions from the "bible" that we know and love today... He said to me that he believes that the church didn't include these since there are some writings there that are not for the "general public" to read and some have really detailed writings... He told me this, "Don't you think its odd that in the bible, it was never mentioned the times that Jesus took a pee or shitted?" He said that it was because the bible would be too long if it was written like that and that it don't necessarily mean that he doesn't take a pee or shits...

my point is this... Things are screened and rectified by people for the simple reason that we have different opinions... There is no one thing that isn't percieved by another as different or weird... For example, kissing... there are different kinds of kisses... for people who are used to doing one kind of kiss as normal, when they see a different kiss, they could not help but ask and wonder...

Hmm.. suppose the bible is everything that some of you say.. suppose it has been edited and screened, etc... would you still believe in it?

^-im not sure, really not sure. Maybe it's better to just believe in God. Don't bother about the teachings of the church blah blah blah. You know what's good and bad. It's your call. You need not look elsewhere to know. Even atheist have a concept of morality so I don't think the bible is essential to the formation of good morals.


as to the question of the accuracy of the bible, there is one simple plain fact: The bible is man made. That is the only fact, whether it is by divine inspiration or not is not debatable since it is based solely out of faith. And if you dig hard enough, you'll find out that the Bible was edited and screened as to what they think is right.

@^
I agree, you don't need the bible to tell you what is right or wrong. And in fact, I appreciate the atheists more because I know that if they are good, it wouldn't be because of some fear from the fires of hell.

This thread is about the authenticity of the bible right? Although the subject about God's existence is related it is a different subject because it is only MAN that claims the bible as a story of God. I think the point question to be asked and answered is simple.

Is the bible 100% authentic?

Probable answer: Nope, not 100% maybe 99%? 93%? 79%?...

If not, then who is to say what is true and what is false?

Probable answer: Personal Judgement? You?

It would be something like this:
Ah si mary nabuntis ng walang sperm! Totoo yan!
Ah si Moses nagsummon ng Angel of Death! Ndi totoo yan!
Ah eto totoo yan! Ah eto hindi!

With all due respect for the believers and the faithful. I do not believe that Christianity would exist today if they did not edit the bible. There would be so many ridiculous, inconsistent or unbelievable stories told to the point that people would think of it as a myth rather than the roots of their religion. Just like, "Zeus hurls lightning bolts when he's angry". <-- This was already so unbelievable 2000 years ago that is why the religion didn't stand the test of time. Remember, it was a religion to the greeks/romans back then ^_^

@^

Actually, the original devotees of Zeus were the Greeks. When they were subdued by the Romans, that's when their religion was adopted.

However, Zeus throwing down thunderbolts is as much unbelievable to an unbeliever as Christ walking on water. /swt Bottomline is, kung hindi ka naniniwala, walang paliwanag ng tao na makakapagpaniwala sa iyo kung hindi mo gugustuhin. Kung naniniwala ka naman, hindi magkakaroon ng kahulugan at katuturan ang lahat ng paliwanag kung bakit hindi ka dapat maniwala. Kaya nga paniniwala... faith. Faith is not based on human logic, but on the visions of the human soul.

@ Believing your own religion

If you choose to not believe the bible, then you choose not to believe in what was written about Christ. You choose to entertain Rumors spread by enemies of God's church. If you choose to let your "perfect" sense of morality guide you throughout your life. I see nothing repulsive about it. But I don't think you can keep calling yourselves Christians.

@ about the order

the way i heard it, God "told" the writer about creation. since only He existed at that time...

@ about adam and eve's children

there's more than cain and abel. eve bore many more children after them. ill try to find the verse if i can.

how does the holy trinity work? kasi di ko makuha kung pano si God nagkaanak... diba si Jesus yun, pero sinasabi din nila na God din sya... di ko magets..

@^

Actually, there is really an explanation to your question pero mahirap talgang i-explain..
Baka kng susubukan kong explain eh magkandaloko-loko lang ako.. /wah D kc ako magaling mag-explain pero meron talgang basehan ng bakit nagkaroon ng Holy Trinity..
Probably, that could best answer by a priest, msgr. or a bishop.. Kc ang nag-explain sa akin dati msgr. at nahirapan din talga akong intindihin..Pero sa bandang huli naintindihan ko din..

I think it kinda works beyond the concept of biology. Perhaps we can think of it as, since God is the creator of all things, he has many aspects. Those "aspects" as I dare call them are God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, each representing God in ways man can hope to understand.

er... ito di ko lang alam kung maintindihan mo... gen 1:26 proves daw the holy trinity. God refered to Himself as "Us"... basta basahin mo ng mabuti genesis, the use of verbs and nouns/pronouns. tagal ko rin naintindihan to e.

thanks talaga bfk, angel and cresence... tanong uli ako next time kung meron akong naisip na di ko maintindihan... :D

ANSWER:
kasi pow, yan ang pinasulat ng Dios.. hindi naman kasi sa tao galing yang eh.. pinasulat lang ng Dios yan sa tao, para malaman ng mga tao..

may ipupuna ako sa tanong mo, ang tanong mo: bakit alam ng tao yung order ng day1-day5 of creation, eh day6 naman ginawa ang tao. ang tanong ko naman sayo.. bakit alam ng tao na sa sixth day sya ginawa kung hindi nia alam yung day1-day5? xa ba gumawa sa sarili nia para malaman nia yung order ng creation? hindi diba.. kasi kung alam ng tao na pang day6 sya ginawa, dapat alam nia yung nangyari sa day1 to day5. di ba?
ang tanong ngayon, sino ba nakaka-alam ng day1-day5 of creation? hindi ba ang Dios?? samakatuwid, sa Dios nanggaling yung knowledge na yan..

ang conclusion, nalaman ng tao yung day1-day5 of creation kasi yun ang sabi ng Dios. kasi ang Dios ang lumalang sa mga yon.

agree po ba kayo?? /?

Basta don't take the Bible literally, yun lang pow..

ABOUT THE HOLY TRINITY THING:
Guys, don't be fooled!!
hindi po totoo ang holy trinity !!

let's prove that..

based on Genesis 2:26 KJV
at sinabi ng Dios, Lalangin natin ang tao...

nakasulat na malinaw.. lalangin NATIN..
eh di ibig sabihin may kasama ang Dios ng Nilalang niya ang tao!!
hindi ba ?!
kase, kung totoo yung holy trinity, magiging illogical yon. kasi sasabihin nia sa sarili nia: "lalangin natin ang tao", eh sya rin naman pala kausap nia. lalabas may katok ang dios non KUNG totoo yung holy trinity...

eh sino ba talaga kasama ng Dios nung nilalang niya ang Tao?

sa Juan 1:1 KJV nakasulat
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
naintindihan niyo po ba?
nakasulat na malinaw, ang Verbo or the Word was in the beginning with God.
nung pasimula pala kasama na ng Dios yung Verbo. eh di ibig sabihin dalawa na sila, hindi ba? Siya pala kausap ng Dios nung nilalalang nia ang tao. kaya pala sinabi sa Genesis 2:26,"lalangin natin ang tao.." kasi kausap nia yung Verbo..

ang tanong ngayon, sino ba yung Verbo or the Word??
ayon sa Juan 1:14 KJV
"at nagkatawang-tao ang Verbo, at tumahan sa gitna nila..."
oh!! nagkatawan tao pala yung Dios? eh sino ba yon? di ba si Cristo yon?! agree?

kaya nga, ang Cristo at ang Dios pala ay hindi iisa ayon sa biblia..
kaya po hindi totoo yung holy trinity.. sa katunayan marami pa pong nakasulat na hindi iisa ang Dios, Kristo at ang Espiritu Santo na gaya ng paniniwala ng iba. gaya nung nagbigay halimbawa ang Kristo nang dasal, "Ama namin na nasa langit ka,.." (Mat. 6:9) Ang katuwiran jan, kung Iisa lang sila dapat ang tinuro niang dasal, "Iisang Ama, Kristo at Espiritu santo na nasa langit ka," yung tinuro nia.. diba?? Kasi nga, mas Dakila ang Ama kaysa kay Kristo kaya sa Ama ang Address ng panalangin.. gets?? kaya nga, hindi totoo ang holy trinity..

agree or disagree??

How sure are you na pinasulat nga ng Diyos yun?
If ang basis mo is the words written sa Bible then ang unang tanong is gaano ka kasigurado na lahat ng nakasulat sa Bible ay totoo?

I say again, don't take it literally. :stupid:

@bunso

hehe parang Ely Soriano a (been watching to much dating daan channel /heh)

the Holy Trinity, as explained earlier are the divinities of God

1. God as the Father
2. God as the Son
3. God as the Holy Spirit

the Three Divinities of God are simply parts of the Whole. Parang ballpen lang yan with three colors...you choose which color you find appropriate for your writing...but it is still the same ballpen even if you switch colors.

i have this wierd idea that it symbolizes God's role in the past present future thingy. First, God as the Father: in the past, God is this Omnicient Being who created and remodeled the world (kind of like Shiva)...but the population grew and the people began questioning faith and/or started affinity for the god-image they find themselves in. So to control this, God reinvented himself and became Jesus, God as man in order for the people to relate to God as your average beshy who will listen to you. in order to complete His vision to be reintroduced to the people, Jesus had to die and be resurrected from the dead. Now since Jesus went to heaven, God sent the Holy Spirit in order to remind people that he is very much around now and in the future...

oh this is so cool...i went against a catholic teaching /wah i wonder if i will go to hell for this /sob

^
wala pong nakasulat sa bible n ganyan..
malayo po sa katotohanan eh..

hindi nga po totoo yung trinity.. 3 divinity into 1.. maling mali po un..
para po mapatunayan ko yan..
try nio po hanapin sa bible yung word na "trinity"..
kapag may nakita kang word na trinity.. maniniwala na po ako...

This makes more sense!!

Q: do you pray? does god answer our prayer?

me i do pray b4 going to sleep!!!!