Your views, fellow board members?

Kung 1on1 lang ala cguro laban LK sa Paladin, kasi besides attack skills ng Pala meron dn silang support that will help them survive LK's attacks.Lalo na if both of them ala ng pots or any curative items. T_T Survivable-oriented kasi ung mga Paladin/Crusader.

Based on my opinion lng po, kung meron aangal sa post ko ayos lng. Tanggap kong bobo ako..^^

depende yan sa rules. kung precast malabo manalo paladins. kung no precast naman may chance manalo ang LK pero medyo malabao unless gawan nya ng paraan. pero on my expirience Lord Knight ko mismo ang nagpatumba sa pinagmamalaki kong Paladin. :wtf:

Harapan(walang takbuhan) no pots and skill all--> I'll go with LK.. Opinyon ko lang pow..

Hmm. Sige, gawin na lang natin no pots situation. Pero any tactic pwede and no skill restrictions.

Saken paladin.

LK's melee = Auto Guard, Reflect Shield
LK's range = Auto Guard, Defender

i think i hav to agree. mdyo mhihirapan LK manalo sa ganyan. sa SP plng lugi na tpos khit isacrifice pa ng paladin ung ilang points nya sa vit meron nman sya +2k sa HP sa skills. survivor ung paladin e.

I started this topic coz i found this in the RagnaBoards:

http://ragnaboards.yehey.com/index.php?showtopic=131162

Medyo luge ang LK pag no pots.. Even though meron kaming "2nd" life meron namang heal ang paladin. + makunat pa and malakas bumawas. LK ako pero mahihirapan cguro tayong mga LK pag 1 on 1.. Pero nonethless diskarte na lang talaga yan /heh

nasa diskarte naman yung opinion ko :wave:

kahit gano kalakas ung kalaban pero magaling naman dumiskarte yung gumagamit, my chance prin yung magaling db?

8->

Depends..pag may heal ang paladin parang matatalo LK. ^_^

Kng may heal ang Paladin.. /omg.. Delikado na ang LK.. /wah

then ill just quote my post there in ragnaboards...XD

i highly suggest read my whole post first before reacting/flaming me... >.<
my sac paladin has 50 str (but im still thinking if ill be getting 60 str for shield chain), but anyway, based from the results from mRO, at 50 str, i can still do 2k+ damage to an lk with 58+ def and 80 vit def, wearing an immune poopoo and cranial (i dont think its wise to unequip poopoo for a high defense helm coz anytime, sac may hit you). so shield chain for me is also an option when it comes. (and wont take 9% of your hp hehe)

anyway, back to the topic at hand...pero d ko muna isasali shield chain...:D

so it has suddenly become a battle of potions?

hmm...mas marami nga madadalang potion ang lk kesa paladin, especially kng mataas ang str nya. and mind you, paladins esp. sac specialists would get peco peco. its as useful as the cloaking of sinx for paladins.

let's take the extreme cases...kasi dun din naman patungo ang discussion based sa nabasa ko eh...

an lk with 90+ base str (only base str affects weight capacity) + 1000 weight will have around 6000+ weight, my paladin has 5000+ weight, lots of potion difference...let's assume they will only use YGGBERRIES, both overweight with it.

but there are other factors here like equipments, but let's assume that they have practically the same weight of equipments used.

let's say matalino pareho ung player. the lk used his lk skills first to do damage to the paladin, spear skills wont work effectively coz it will result to the lk using up more yggberries. to deplete the paladin's 20k+ hp, he will be taking 28k damage if the paladin had 10 reflect shield. the autoguard will also drain the lk's sp, (if in case he will be using skills most of the time). in the long run, the paladin consumes 20 yggberries for every 28 yggberries the lk will use...
what if the paladin was also attacking the lk with normal attacks? with concentration, the def of the lk is significantly lowered...while the paladin, will take more pleasure if the lk deals more damage because the battle will end faster. WHAT IF THE PALADIN HAD HEAL? (no its not the super int build paladins, but the unorthodox paladin builds who gets some level of heal and some int)...wow, hirap nito. normal attacks lang ginagamit ng paladin, so he has a lot of sp to use for heal.

in case naisip na to ng lk...so he used TH quicken and parry, ganun pa rin mangyayari, mas maraming gagamiting yggberries ang lk kesa paladin...to those na marunong maginterpret ng simple mathematical analogy...maiintindihan nyo to...
the lk will use rougly less than 40% more yggberries than the paladin who is only using normal attacks...but the difference of weight (5000 to 6000 or even higher) is just above 20%. so kung ganyan ang mangyayari, alam na ang resulta...mas mabilis mauubusan ng berries ang lk kesa paladin kahit lamang sha sa weight.

but if the lk will continuously use berserk (using yggberries...wise lks will find a way to continously use berserk mind you, dont underestimate them, ive battle a lot of lks already), dehado na tlga paladin sa potion usage dito...hmm, may tanung lang ako, bawal ba maghide? kng ang lk pwede maghide sa pressure...bkt paladins d ba pwede maghide sa berserk? magsight muna bago berserk? shield charge muna, then pag wala na sight, hide. d na pwede magskill pag berserk diba...cowardly? eh all skills all tactics na eh, its a battle of which class is better, so ok lang un, you have to use all your strategies eh, hehe.

the paladin doesnt need to fight with sacri if it becomes a battle of potions...and to watch this game of battle, it will take 30 minutes minimum, if not, hours...lol.

in the end of this long post of mine, the bottomline is, pala > lk. you can even ask players from other ROs, most of them will say the same...pala>lk. that is the opinion of the many players from those server, and i also express the same opinion.

Ill go with LK!

ako LK ako pero i know lamang tlga paladin sa 1on1. sa skills amang na paladin e. jst coz im an LK it doesnt rili mean id vote for LK too. /heh

at mad crosser malabo yang sinasabi mo. nasa pots ba ang lakas??? gunggung lang ang nag duduel using regeneration pots. -Silent-D talking.

Oi Silent-D napagkamalan tayong same person sa RagnaBoards! :p

Nabasa ko mga posts ng mga tao sa Ragnaboards. Problem is they're too obsessed with their stereotypes. Sacri paladin ang idea nila as best 1on1 paladin. Amp haha!!

Stupid daw 100 dex paladin ko. Hahaha!!

"Nasa Iris and best kabalyeros." /gg

^

totally agrees with the last line

/gg

@Mad crosser
sencya na di ko naisip yung battle tactics mo pti yung mga ideas mo
di naman dahil sa wala na kong alam sa mga ganyang laban, dahil kc sa dahilang
di ako nagamit ng mga health items pag nagwa-1on1 ako e. /no1

patagalan sa build yung pinagbabasehan ko dati nung knight p lng ako, di sa paggamit ng mga gamit pra 2mgal (like pots and etc)

d ko naisip na maghi-heal yung paladin /wah
mahirap :faint:

reply ko po yan sa ragnaboards...dahil ang topic dun ay napunta na sa laban na may pots, dahil sa reberserking lord knights. kaya inexplain ko lang, na kahit may pots ang laban, dehado pa rin ang lord knight.

sinabi ko pa namang basahin mabuti bago magreact...nakabold pa useless din pala...

gets?

using potions doesnt make you dumb, those that dont use pots are dumb. good players know what, when and where to use potions. you are a useless player if you have 0 hp and/or 0 sp. i see a lot of them walking around.

again, pakiintindi lang ang post ko ha. sabi nila matatalino ang iris players, im waiting for your replies regarding that controversial post i made... :happydance:

No Precast/ All Tactic = Karne ang LK /no1

Precast/ Head on ang Laban = Talo Paladin /no1

@^
proven and tested.. /heh

naalala ko tuloy.. bkit b ko nadaan d2 amf.. /sob

@Mad Crosser

magkaiba ang party game sa 1on1 duel. kung party game lang ang pag uusapan isa na ako sa pinakamatinding magdala ng regeneration pots. im not worth it na maging devo type kung sa isang character lang ay mapapatay na ang paladin ko. kung party game lang u need a bunch of characters to put my paladin down. i can stand 2 or 3 berserking LK's at the same time without getting killed. pero kung 1on1 ang laban ibang usapan yan. malamang hindi kukuha ng heal si Ikamuni kung ang lahat ng 1on1 duel ay may pots. kaya ung mga taong ganun mag isip na kasama ang pots sa build nila tawag ko sa kanila gunggung. anu ka blacksmith?? kung pots ang basihan ng laban edi hindi yan pagandahan ng build kungdi payamanan lang yan. kahit sinu ang tanungin mo dito nakakahiya ang player na gumamit ng mastella seed at whites sa 1on1 duels. /e10

medyo agree po ako dun kay silent-D
kc dinaan po sa pagandahan ng build hindi sa paramihan ng hp at healing items
/gawi
hindi po ba kpag 1 on 1 duel db dpat wlang gamitan ng mga gnung bgay?
unless gus2 mo talagang pataubin yung opossite side tru any possible ways or competition yun na applicable gumamit ng mga gnung bgay..

napunta din discussion sa pots dhil din sa nabuksang story about sa battle of the pots earlier..
/no1
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dumb? uumm.. ako tumagal ako ng hindi gumagamit ng pots bago pa ako malipat sa OHC which is a long-long time ago na rin po :)
nagsi-seige po ako nun ng walang pots at tumatagal din miski pvp
mga ilang weeks [or a month yata] bago ako ma forced to used pots nga lng.
u could c me walking around din pero di lahat ng di gumagamit ng pots e dumb po /gawi

silent d read again my post...

i said clearly, what, when, and where to use potions. kng macocomprehend mo to ng maayos u will know that im clearly saying na pag ang rules ay no pots, then good to go, other than that, that player, is just a dumbas$ going to pvp without using potions (im assuming here that he is not that dumb not to bring potions).

a player who always enter the pvp room must bring with him some amount of potions. you are just being dumb by not doing so, hell, kahit nga sa pvm dapat may dala dala ka rin kng ayaw mo tlgang maglevel down dahil lag. tapos magrereklamo kayo pag bigla kayo tinamaan ng mga skills at nadeds dahil sa agre party? pvp is a killing zone, its not a social lounge or something. you should always bring your armors and potions.

imo, kayo ang mashadong emotional regarding that topic. u guys are overreacting over that potion issue. sinabi ko lang na dumb ang di gumagamit ng pots, andami nang "flammable" words ang lumabas...

if you are a true player, of course u will know how to play with the rules. kng no pots, no pots. that's all im trying to say...mashado kayong hooked up sa duels na yan, its not something you really should take seriously, and result to calling different people as gunggong or something. its not like you would die if you lose a duel.

phalanx, and the others...im going critical now.

you are talking about 1 on 1 duels only, with a no pot rule set. i also agree with that. but im talking about the general pvp scenario. imo, its now 90 to 10 agre party kill all to 1 on 1 duel only, i even think its 95 to 5. some may disagree with me, but its only my opinion anyway. you can say all you want that you are a fan of that style of game play, but most people now, deep in themselves, admire those that dominate the pvp room. this is what i believe.

as we all know, from the recent patches gravity has released, it is obvious that gravity has designed the game more towards the teamwork and party style of gameplay, be it in pvm, or pvp. by just introducing the new juno skills like the crusader's devotion, the bard and dancer's new combo skills, the wedding system, the alchemist's chemical protection, the sage's new skills (enchant spells, area support skills, etc) even the monk's blade stop is somewhat oriented towards a team style of counter-offensive move, this list will go on forever until the latest patch they have released.

pvp nowadays is not about 1 on 1 anymore, its about dominating the room. i dont know if you have not realized this yet, but that's really how it goes, the weak and poor shall be banished from the pvp rooms by the strong and rich people, dominating people that is. and when it comes to dominating the rooms, i guess its a no-big-question what jobs and builds easily dominate the pvp rooms. who cares for if you have "the most ideal build" for a 1 on 1 duel? who else? people who are also so hooked-up to that style of gameplay. people who enjoy that, and we must admit, that its not that popular anymore. d2 na lang siguro sa boards natin mejo popular dahil

and yeah, kahit sino naman tumatagal ng walang pots eh, lalu na kng di ka tinitira agad dahil you dont pose a real threat against the opposing party. tatagal ka tlga nun kht sa siege. sinu ba uunahin? ung mga kayang kayang sumira ng defense or ung isang job lang na d naman makakawork effectively pag wala nang kaparty? especially back then na halos wala pang magagaling na breakers. pag kumakain ka, ano una mong tinatanggal sa isda? diba ung malalaking tinik muna?

kng papasok ka ng pvp room, wag ka na magreklamo kng mapatay ka in anyway possible, mas lalung wag ka magreklamo kng nadeds ka dahil wala kang pots. you are just making yourself look more dumb.

that's all. this is off topic na. just like what someone said in rb, this topic will never end, dahil wala namang magpapatalo satin at tatanggapin ang katotohanan eh, siguro may ilan na tanggap at lantarang inaamin, pero most people will still insist. kaya until now, napaguusapan pa rin to, kahit na obvious na obvious naman ang sagot.

kidding aside,
if you wanna play 1 on 1, go and try an arcade game, where its more fun, because you are actually sitting close to your opponent.
its really a battle of skills, no other variable involved like lag or something..
and yeah, tekken 2 is great. wakekeke.

@^
kung anu anu pang sinasabi mo, may paparty party ka pang nalalaman e samantalang malinaw na malinaw ang naka sulat sa topic Pally vs LK 1on1 lang /swt

nice reaction...

that's my reply to the previous posts, since its directed at me. why dont you read it anyway? cant face facts?

i expected that kind of reply though...its sad though that some people dont know how to formally talk out of a topic.

malabo ang point using pots sa 1on1? bkit may naka 1on1 ka na ba na gumamit kyo ng pots?? kung meron nakakatawang laban yon. /heh. ang topic kasi tinatanong kung mag 1on1 ang paladin at Lk cnung mananalo?? ang sagot mo depende sa pots na dadalhin /heh. tutal paladin ka naman bakit di natin patunayan ang thread na to. i challenge u to a 1on1 duel vs my Lord Knight. syempre no pots at own skill lang. tatanggapin mo ba?

silent d...

first of all, wala akong sinasabing depende sa pots ang laban. just shows na you are not reading and understanding other's posts, and you just want to insist on your own points without minding other people's points. others call it as close-mindedness.

may sinabi ba kong ganun? in fact, i just reacted kasi nagbago ang usapan at bigla nang naging laban ng pots ang laban...search all my posts here or in anywhere in ragnarok community kng may sinabi ako ni minsan na makapot mastery ako.

di mo po ba to naiintindihan? kelangan ko pa tagalugin? sorry ha, nasanay kasi ko magpost sa english eh, im a formal person kasi kaya even in filipino forums, i post in enlish most of the time.

ang ibg sabihin ko po jan ay, ahh, so napunta na sa laban ng potion ang usapan?

gets mo na?

im getting tired of your comprehension skills...here ill point out...read, for god's sake, pelase.

- affirmation (meaning yes, agree, roger, yeah, oo, tama, etc.) po yan na di ako makapot mastery sa 1 on 1 duels

again... :stupid:

if you have really read that post, its crystal clear here...anu ngaun ang sinasabi mong malabo?

i dont see kng ano malabo d2,unless you really didnt mind those things i pointed out earlier. napapatungan na ung ibang post dahil sa off topic conversation na ito...

i accept, but if you are really serious to challenge me, see me in the pvp rooms na lang, not here. i hang around the pvp rooms when im doing nothing going on some random killing and when i get tired, i join a party to kill some more. on sunday i dont have work, ill be hanging around.

you pm'ed me before because you wanted to challenge my paladin when i was at lvl 90+, nasa office ako, i replied, tinanong ko kelan, at saan, but you didnt reply.
i'll give you a hint now though, i still have 70 stat points i havent spared now because im still unsure if ill go with my original build or tweak it a little...and i have 3 skill points to spare as well, i would not want to ruin my stats and skills just to adjust to a sudden challenge right? ill try to deal with that anyway.

@ others, sorry for the off topic conversations...

@^
mas madalas na i dont bring any kind of pots whenever i go inside the pvp room.. it means im dumb pla /heh

malinaw ang conclusion mo. may hide pa. hide is not a swordsman skill kaya wag kang umasa dun. Pally>LK kasi ang scenario mo is pwede gumamit ng berrys at kung anu anu. well patunayan natin. hindi kita lalabanan dahil gusto ko ng 1on1. lalabanan kita dahil gusto ko ring patunayan ang thread na ito para matapos na. see u on sunday.

ouch prang umiinit na usapan. i respect naman other's sides pro back out nako sa debate. tutal high pa lang ako at mgiging ganyan palang pagdating ng araw.. /heh
magka ausan sana :)
i can't fight with your ideas right now, wala na kong laban kc i lack the experience na unlike u guys
:faint:

start n lng ng discussion w/ pots tpos nxt w/out pots pra malinaw narin sa iba

OT:
Hi Craxial :lolwave:

Check the post of ~kyl~.. /no1

Well, we can make a tourney for that kaso lang parang malabo..
LK tourney na nga lang naging malaking issue na eh.. /e5

/go pally

/go lk

/heh

@Ry
/ok

@All
No Precast/ All Tactic= Talo ang LK 8->
Precast/ Head on Battle= Talo ang Paladin 8->

Pg dumating ang Shield Chain medyo ma twist ng konti ang Laban ng LK&Paladin na precast/ head on battle, wat i mean is may chance manalo ang Pally sa LK./gawi

@ Sir A c h i l l e s /ok sana sa ep12 na un..

Mukhang mainit topic ah. Cool lng kayo peeps. 8)

Anyway, kung head on nga yung laban(a.k.a. karne mode) matatalo talaga paladin sa ngayon. Pero ang 1 on 1 naman pwede gamitan ng tactics mwahahahaha!!! /gg

@the pots thingy
Sa totoo lang.....
Nung sader pa lng ako dala ko lng pots ay... 3 berserk pots!!! :p

Sorry for double posting pero...

Basahin nyo na please yung topic sa RagnaBoards and please react. I wanna know what people think about this.


Kasi may isang tao dun, si The_Unbeatable_Lion, isang taong maangas and feeling know-it-all sa topic pero wala naman siyang LK nor Paladin. At sinama pa sa topic yung champ-paladin screenies nya na buhay siya sa Reflect Shield. Alam naman natin na noob ang ganung pally. My golay, champ vs pally? It's not even a duel for crying out loud. Even my sader can own any monk/champ with any build(and equipment) when he reached his peak.


Back to the topic.
Mas gagawin kong specific para mas malinaw.

1 on 1
No recovery items
Self-buffs only
Any non-elite equips (no Godly, mini/boss-carded)

@The tournament thing
HOY wag muna ngayon!! Saka na lang mga peeps pag pwede na sumabak ang aking duel-based prototype shielder-shooter-paladin. Hehehehe. /gg

onga Ikamuni si Unbeatable lion cub sa ragnaboards dinadala ang mentality ng monk sa pall vs LK. hunghang talaga sya. e sa simulat sapol pa lang ay pots user na champ at monks. hindi nga sila maka kill all kung ala honeys or jelly e. hindi pede ang ganun mentality sa LK vs pally 1on1. wala sa pots ang lakas sa usapang to.

Iba mentality nun, ewan ko ba kung bakit nagpo-post un sa thread na un.

Plus wala pa siyang LK nor Paladin. /heh