True Story

Well, I guess Metaphysically we are going to go right on re-manifesting that truth. Obviously the answer is not to seek poplularity. If we can all just get out just a concept or two, every now and then, someone, somewhere, is going to ask a question. Then, some momentum will start. Eventually, they or someone in their contact will follow it up in greater depth. Its sort of a question of are we willing to just let Theosphy drop of the face of the Earth? I am certainly no great Theosophist of philospher of any kind, but I do actively seek ways to introduce the concepts whenever I can. Imagine what you scholors on the subject could do?

Christian

OK. As a rule, I don't run around specifically trying to connect to anyone, unless I am doing a session for someone, of course. Rather, I take moments of meditation, and allow myself to "receive". Usually, the way this works (even in a session) is the most important 'messages' come in first and strongest, from whoever may be the source.

I do however occasionally focus an intent to connect specifically. I will record the session, if I should enjoy the pleasure of Buddha.

Thanks for asking.
Christian

Not according to original Theosophy.

There was a Blavatsky pre-1863 (or so); then a Blavatsky after 1863; then the inner HPB, an Adept; then when used by a member of the Occult Brotherhood; then her own Higher Self etc.

There was a reason for her temperment, but it was not her character. Suggest you study more deeply. Have you read Cranston's biography of HPB?

Blavatsky biography

"So it sounds like gnomes and fairies will skip the mineral, plant, and animal stages, and go directly from elemental to human. Is that right?"

--> I thought it would be fun to take a look at Jinarajadasa's ideas as to where fairies and gnomes fit into Evolution.



The above image is part of the book The First Principles of Theosophy, by C. Jinarajadasa

Jinarajadasa says fairies and gnomes are part of an evolution track which does not go through the human experience. This, as Nicholas has pointed out, goes against what Blavatsky said. However, I keep myself open to ideas I have not heard before, such as these.

Correct, and Yes, Nick to the diagram, except that they will go through either water or mineral. Leadbeater presents it this way, or very similarly, as well, but I do not have my sources with me to quote as I am traveling. The New Age has followed this concept as well, as it tends to bear out under investigation.

Thanks, I was sensing you would find this illustration. .

Christian.

Hi everybody!

I did want to follow up on Blavatsky's idea that non-human evolution does not exist.

"The Doctrine teaches that, in order to become a divine, fully conscious god, -- aye, even the highest -- the Spiritual primeval INTELLIGENCES must pass through the human stage. And when we say human, this does not apply merely to our terrestrial humanity, but to the mortals that inhabit any world, i.e., to those Intelligences that have reached the appropriate equilibrium between matter and spirit, as we have now, since the middle point of the Fourth Root Race of the Fourth Round was passed." (SD vol I p. 106)

Theosophy teaches that every Being of the universe, great or small, has gone through, or will go through, the human experience. This means traveling through the levels of Arhat, Adept, Chohan, Maha-Chohan, and beyond. However, "beings" like fairies and gnomes do not seem to fit into this category.

This is exactly what Theosophy is all about -- trying to "fit the pieces together", and understand the true nature of the universe, not bound by limitations of dogma.

Whoa there Nick! HPB did not (nor did her gurus) say "non-human evolution does not exist".

The teaching is that there are no parallel evolutions. All life waves go through all stages - elemental to Buddhas. So all the pre-human life waves will go, when they are ready, through the human soul stage and beyond.

I just happen to be getting a quick read in on Man: Whence, How and Whither by Besant and CWL. Paragraph 32 might be of interest.


32. When we turn to the mineral kingdom, we are among those some of whom will become men on the Moon Chain, and some on the Earth Chain. The consciousness asleep in these minerals is to awaken gradually and to unfold through long stages into the human.

At the Higher Etheric level and the Kama Deva level of your chart there is a cross-over opportunity for Nature Spirits. It is discussed, but not illustrated in the charts. All such Etheric spirit may not chose to cross, but they can. In which case, they start at the lowest level of human consciousness, with individualization and a soul. When I get back I will look for the passages for you.

By the way, there are two types of gnomes, but this is very seldom mentioned in the literature. As well, the word fairy is often confused as Faerie can be used to refer to most of the evolved nature people of the "earth" type, and the "air" type.

"CAN," "MAY," or "MIGHT," should probably be in that sentence, not the implied DO or MUST, is my understanding.

I have not found Theosophy to be "perfect" nor "complete." It is even directly and indirectly defined that way. To the extent others find this to be true as well, allowances should be made, and an open mind is called for. Especially in the face of experiment, observation and experience that the last 200 years have provided. Many great Theosophists have delivered countless lectures. These renowned folk greatly expand on areas that seemed to have fixed limits in the earlier works. Dimensions and Planes for example. The lecturers say the SD was intended for an earlier audience but really supports infinate Planes both up & down, for example. Humans, at this stage (when SD written) could not readily contemplate much more than the volumes' wording seemed to be implying. I wholehartedly agree.

Seems like we have a substantial discussion going on here.

Christian