Title: Thinking about...Empire
Silly Dragon Elf the Third - April 6, 2008 06:44 PM (GMT)
So far my armies have been, Asrai, Asur, Brettonia, Tyranids, (sorta) Tau and in my very far distant past Space Marines. Now i can see myself starting with the Empire of Man. I like the fluff and the fact they are the front line against the Chaos Hordes. I like the fact that when Elves and even Dwarves are diminishing they have actually been increasing in numbers. So no more of the doomed future nonsense. Though i like that too which is why i am staying with Asur and Asrai and forgetting about 40k.
The only thing i have against this idea is the models. I don't really like them. So maybe some nice conversions would do. Also now thinking about it i don't want to fall into the trap of the 'Gunline' either.
Armies would be Infantry and shooting supported by a unit or two of knights but mostly cav will be filled in as fast cav. Also i can easily do alliances with my Elves and maybe Brettonia is i stay with them.
The idea is i would like to have some ideas about the Army. I have not seen their book yet and only had one 800pts battle against them (which was used by an 11 year old so proved no match for me, no offence to the kid but he didn't know how the game worked).
Also this is just to say 'wooo look at me i have decided to colect a new army!' like you see in forums. Mostly warhammer but sometimes elsewhere.
SeanyPrawny - April 6, 2008 08:10 PM (GMT)
Hey I'm just glad you stick around here whilst doing the other army thing :love:
Sounds good and keep us upto date with progress. any Idea of where abouts in the empire they come from?
Silly Dragon Elf the Third - April 6, 2008 09:03 PM (GMT)
I like fluff to do with great battles against Chaos and the hope in the world kinda thing. So on the Northern most borders doing battle against Chaos mainly but as my friend is a Dar Elf player and a Vampire Counts player i will want to be near the coast so to explain the Druchii raids and say Vampires from the sea or mountains or something. Haven't actually seen the Empire map yet so not sure where would be best. I am doing my own colour scheme not like any certain dukedom or anything. I just want a battle hardened looking army with rusty and chipped armpur and torn and worn cloth.
I want black musketts (or whatever you call them in warhammer) instead of bows just as i like the idea of a big bang and smoke. No hellblasters or rockets...but maybe 1 cannon. At the start. But i have already made it clear no Gunline allowed. Also i don't want a steam tank too much like 40k and i can;t see the big fuss about it.
Hillbilly Carl - June 18, 2008 02:49 PM (GMT)
I recently bought the Empire book, not because I want to collect the army, but because I was somewhere that there was a Games Workshop (there isn't one within 300 km of where I live) and I felt I needed to buy something. The one thing that impressed me about the Empire army is the fact that you can make many very different themed armies and have them all be balanced and not one-hit wonders. You can have the one-phase armies as well, but the sheer number of unit and character types available help to ensure that your army can be a one of a kind.
There is a good piece of fluff in the book about a greatsword regiment that wears all red uniforms instead of the city's usual pure white uniform because they were the sole survivors of a huge battle. At the end of the battle their uniforms were red with blood so in honor of those who fell they now wear red. I thought that would match well with your desired background.
A cannon is a must in an empire army. One of their strengths is artillery and it is important to play on an army's strengths. You don't have to go completely gunline, but one cannon is only 5% of a 2000 point army and would hardly be considered a gunline. Plus 1 good shot will make up its points. Fast cavalry are especially good in the Empire army. Outriders with repeater handguns carry a lot of ranged power in a relatively small package (5 models = 15 shots) and if you are pressed for points pistoliers are quite good too. The knights are pretty basic but good. Nothing compared to Bretonnian knights but that is to be expected. The infantry is the real strength of the Empire with the detachment system. Being able to counter-charge to the flank and strike before your charging enemy while standing and shooting without -1 to hit is a huge advantage. You can also use the standing and shooting rule to protect your ranged units. take a unit of 10 handgunners and give it 2 detachments of 5 handgunners (instead of taking 2 independant units of 10). Put the detachments on a hill behind the parent unit and when the parent unit gets charged stand and shoot with all 20 handgunners (10 without the -1 to hit). It is really powerful.
The Empire is an army that you can adapt to fit your playing style. I encourage your choice and can't wait to see your take on the army!
Silly Dragon Elf the Third - June 18, 2008 07:35 PM (GMT)
Well i do have an update to tell you. I have decided to collect them as a third army and drop the brettonians (unless they get a long awaited update to their magic items and dropping of must have this and that etc).
A 1000pts list i have made looks like this but i haven't got book on hand at the moment so its only brief.
Warrior Priest with armour of merterioc something (1+ save) and great weapon.
Battle Wizard, level 2 with a casket of v...something that steals opponents spells and stores them for a bound spell. Got that as it says "removes the spell from the opponents wizard" so hence stopping him casting it. And unbarded steed.
Swordsmen x20 with command and detached x10 handgunners.
x19 great swords with command (WP here)
x5 pistolliers with musician (BW here)
x1 great cannon.
I think it needs more combat potential and looks to be turning into a gunline damn it!
Aben Zin - June 18, 2008 09:32 PM (GMT)
My advice: Pick up a copy of Mark of Chaos (the PC game). Ever since playing I've wanted to collect an Empire army. I haven't, but that's mainly because I'm lazy. It has made me want to play some games with large blocks of infantry though. Especially Flagellants.
Hillbilly Carl - June 18, 2008 10:49 PM (GMT)
I made up a list of what I would want in an empire army, I don't remember exactly but here are the basics:
Empire captain (General)
Empire captain (BSB)
Battle wizard lvl 2
1 big unit of flagelants (counts as core because of the warrior priest)
2 units of 5 knights
20 Greatswords w/ 10 halbardier detachment & 10 handgunner detachment
20 Greatswords w/ 10 halbardier detachment & 10 handgunner detachment
Total points: around 2000
Dispel dice: 4 plus 2 scrolls
Power dice: 4 plus the bound spell on the priest
I like the fluff and the power that the greatswords offer, especially with the detachment system. The knights provide flank charges or they can work together to rush up a flank. The outriders provide a highly mobile base of fire and are good at harrassing enemy troops. The Flagellants (led by the priest) will hold a flank until the last crazed monk is dead. The two captains go in the greatsword regiments which hold down the center. I don't remember the magic items I used, but I'm pretty sure my wizard had 2 scrolls.
The one magic item I wish the Wood Elves had is the Dragon bow.
Billfred - June 22, 2008 08:01 PM (GMT)
Just don't buy Mark of Chaos for the full price - the expansion is out now!
Do you have any colour schemes? Or are you going for the typical Middenheim / Talabheim colours? And what about the knights - typical Reiksguard or are you going for something more like Knights of the Blazing Sun or Knights of the White Wolf - I guess it depends on what you have in your army really!
I went for Bogenhafen colours (Empire Collectors Guide).
But I ruined the knights - I was a beginner when I painted them so they look like crap!
Silly Dragon Elf the Third - June 22, 2008 08:48 PM (GMT)
I want to go with black and red like the greatswords of a certain city are (can't remember without book on hand). But i didn't want it all the way through but i don't like the red and white bog standard colours. I hate painting white as it never works for me as its always too watery even the spray.
I like the yellow and black look. But as of yet i don't know what colour to do.
I want an army made up of infantry supported by magic and artillery. I love the extra punch the warrior prietsts can give too.
As for knights they shall be my own Roses and Thorns.
Billfred - June 24, 2008 12:14 PM (GMT)
Carroburg Greatswords wear red and black.
Artillery and Magic are most common in Nuln though :p
Red and Black is nice, but red is a pain to paint over black
Hillbilly Carl - June 24, 2008 02:13 PM (GMT)
If you paint over the black with scab red then highlight up to blood red it covers pretty well and looks good. If you want to give it a bit more highlight go with orange and yellow instead of mixing in white (with white you get pink soldiers).
Billfred - June 29, 2008 09:02 PM (GMT)
I found that out luckily after only 1/2 a model!