aadne - April 16, 2007 02:57 PM (GMT)
My friends started whining and blaming the forests for many of his losses.. Well the question is.. how many forests should be normal.. We normally use 1 to 2 forests often 1 on each side.. And ofcourse I add my own little forest..
Zelt Arruin - April 16, 2007 05:10 PM (GMT)
Sounds fine, what else do you use for terrain and how much? I have recently been only using around 4 peices of terrain, a hill or two, forest, and obscure things.
Darkblade - April 16, 2007 05:40 PM (GMT)
I suggest about 2 woods on a normal battlefield then you get 1 more making it 3. Then a odd house, maybe a hill or two and a pond.
So if he is whining then tell him that at least in Norwegian turnements I have never seen less then 2 woods on a bord :wink:
Lord Abrior of Kurnous - April 16, 2007 05:46 PM (GMT)
1-2 Woods (Usually 2), plus my free one, and the odd hill, usually one on each side is the norm for my games.
Just remind him how annoying it is each time you can't shoot something because a wood is blocking your LoS. I know you can control it to an extent, but still.
aadne - April 16, 2007 06:00 PM (GMT)
Thank you.. for your replies and yes darkblade Il tell im :p
Silly Dragon Elf the Third - April 16, 2007 06:37 PM (GMT)
I have often played with only the free wood. Apart from those times its about 2 woods normally both on my side. (which is why my lists never have moonstone of hidden ways).
Normally 1-2 woods with 1 buiding and 1-2 hills sometimes a water feature like a lake or a ruin. On average 3 walls about 1 inche wide and about 4 inches long randomly placed.
I would actually say that 3 woods is too much at 1000pts but at 2000+pts its about a good number to have. Though i can totally understand where your friend is comming from as lots of woods for wood elves is a big advantage.
aadne - April 16, 2007 07:20 PM (GMT)
We decided that the next fight wel have will consist of one wood... and ofcourse my extra free wood. I actually understands him too.. He has not beaten me once... Even though the last fight was really close.
faile - April 16, 2007 08:50 PM (GMT)
At our club its a whatever you can get your hands on policy, so if you don't get their early you don't get anything but some rouge 40K scenery such as sand bag piles and such... We don't have much scenery you see.
WinterGuardian - April 16, 2007 09:48 PM (GMT)
i agree with what's been said, i use two forests, one for each table side
that seems pretty standard...
Servant of Isha - April 17, 2007 08:55 AM (GMT)
Yes, 2 forests seems the norm. Whether that's 1 + our free one or 2 + our free one depends on game size and more importantly table size that goes with it; 6x4 or 4x4 normaly.
Also, think about forest size too - how big the forest is will change how much it has an effect on the game.
Servant of Isha.
the anti santa - April 17, 2007 12:07 PM (GMT)
In my gaming group it usually is 2 forests per table (and our free wood). If there is more already on the table then I usually remove them as 3 is plenty I feell, especially as we get to choose where 1 goes.
At tournaments of course you often have themed boards with no forests at all (and the UK GT didn't allow us the free wood even). So that makes treesinging our basic spell useless, it is really important that Wood Elves do have at least 1 wood on the table as they really struggle without it.
Also from a fluff point of view Wood elves would very rarely fight outside the forests as they really don't have much need to.
I do have problems with players who use the terrain placement rules to give themselves an advantage. Such as the gun line players who insist on there being a hill in each deployment zone then leave the rest of the field open.
Darkblade - April 17, 2007 12:56 PM (GMT)
|QUOTE (the anti santa @ Apr 17 2007, 12:07 PM)|
| I do have problems with players who use the terrain placement rules to give themselves an advantage. Such as the gun line players who insist on there being a hill in each deployment zone then leave the rest of the field open. |
Its very true what Anti Santa said their. And..... ok so in my first games of warhammer I insisted on that (Mostly because I didn't understand the rules for terrain) Nowdays though I think it should be loadsa terrein, even when I play ma dwarfs. And even more in 40k! Gotta love rocks and woods when your poor gaunts are facing of againts bolter lines all day.
Aben Zin - April 18, 2007 07:00 PM (GMT)
There is a question that has to be raised: Exactly how big are these woods? Are we talking 24" diameter or 9"? If it's the former then I can see why your opponent has cause to complain.
Though not as much as mine once when I set up all my glade guard in a fortified ceremite bunker, complete with razorwire and heavy-bolter emplacements...
Servant of Isha - April 18, 2007 08:44 PM (GMT)
Yes, as I vaguely aluded to, size makes a difference. 9" sounds about normal (our free 6" wood being rather small by comparison), but they can be huge. Placement also makes a difference; a gigantic wood placed along the edge of the board may do less damage to your opponent than a small wood in the middle.
Is terrain set up randomly (via scatter dice etc), or are you and your opponent taking it in turns to place it where you want? Mutual agreement seems to be the way at our club, and nobody has a problem with things.
Failing that I've been asked by a couple of gamers to set up the 3 woods that were on the board (including the free wood) for them, to keep it neutral. Not something I'd immediately think of, but getting a 3rd party to place them could work if there are disagreements.
Servant of Isha.
aadne - April 19, 2007 06:14 AM (GMT)
WE do it randomly. or agree where to put them
Glim - April 22, 2007 09:36 AM (GMT)
Per each foot wide one Terrain piece. So on a 4x4 Terrain, 4 pieces.
If your opponent finds it unfair, try trowing on a Scenery list. I use the Badland one quite often, because it's balanced. Remind: Scrubs count as wood.
Hope this helped.
Valero - April 24, 2007 05:39 AM (GMT)
Well +aadne seems to me that you are very lucky from my point of view. The only battlefield I have access to is my friends Kehmeri style one and if you know a little about the "Lands of The Dead" you will know that there are no real forests there. Granted I get my free woods but thats only if you're playing a pitched battle & we rarely play that battle type. So count yourself lucky and tell your friend to quit is whineing and take it like a man!!!!!!
aadne - April 24, 2007 01:59 PM (GMT)
Haha .. Sorry :p Still that made me feel important..
Yea we have agreed about using only one forest now... on my side ofcourse and ofcourse il add my extra wood.. We will see how it works on friday.. then im gonna play against him in a 2250 point battle.. The list I posted in the war room.