when do the new high elves come out? i wuld like to see new models, they might challenge even the woodies' models! and the new list...
does anyone know?

I believe that the order of re-releases was going to be Empire in January, followed by Vampire counts then High Elves after that. Apparently though, they had to push back the Vampire Counts release, so High Elves should be after Empire, not sure exactly when though.

I'm interested to see what the new High Elf book will bring as well.

High Elves are coming out first because most of their models were already done. Vamps are being done from scratch.

i've heard the same,
high elves are more of an update, their rules need to be fixed and only some of the models will be re-done
Vampire counts on the other hand are getting a complete re-haul, even the basic undead rules could be different, and the whole template for the army might change, including rules and new units, so with such a big change vitrually every unit in the list is being re-done, and they want to take their time to do it right
so high elves will come first, since i only imagine some of the range will be re-done and they will maybe only get one new unit and a the rest will be rule-tweaks

personally I think High elves need more of a re-haul of their rules than undead.

The fact that many of their units are not worth taking, makes them probably the poorest list in fantasy.

The elite troops have some great models but are just a waste of points, as are archers, and sea guard. The plastic infantry aren't that great either.

Pretty much the only way to be competitive is to take lots of cavalry and/or magic.

The undead are quite a strong list but can be a bit too manourevable for my tastes, their lists tend to be heavy on fast units like dire wolves and fell bats along with skirmishers.
Backed up by huge blocks of zombies that get enlarged every turn.

They need some way to make undead less reliant on magic and their general staying "alive".

the high elves' spearmen fight in 3 ranks

Ive also been hearing high elves after empire, but until we have concrete info we cant be for sure.

sorry if this counts as necromancy, but it seems related to the topic
High Elf Rumour Roundup on Warseer
so there it is for people interested in the new high elves, i think it's pretty interesting
things got pretty heated over there at warseer, their main rumour guy got chewed apart for posting that thing about 'white lion pulled chariots' and since he was treated so bad he refuses to post rumours on warseer anymore
so that's all of it
enjoy

Thanks for the link.

I cant wait for the return of the High Elves. They are one of my favourite fantasy armies, and although they were good when their book was released, all other armies since have been way better. Hopefully the new models will be good too.

Also, a chariot pulled by White Lions? Sweet!

that's what i thought!
Dark Elves get get the cool Cold One Chariot, High Elves get a lion pulled one

i thought it was a great idea, but there were a lot of people on the warseer thread that said it was 'stupid and unfluffly' because white lions are too violent to be controlled to pull a chariot
one guy even said he was going to sell his high elf army if the model got released

people like that need to grow up
it's called warhammer 'fantasy' for a reason, it's in a 'fantasy' realm
they should have open minds and be open to creative idea's because it will only make the game better

ok, end rant, lol

but anyway, i'm also excited for the new book Altithir,
it sounds like it's going to turn out really well

um, I can see why the chariot was picked apart, lets see, chariots are from Tiranoc, Chance is a mountainous region, and the Lions get killed by the elves as an initiation they don't like them. Why strap them on a chariot?

The only point worthy unit is Swordmasters of Hoeth, 13 pints, and kill everything.

High Elves MUST have an update soon!!!!! Wait a minute, that means I will have to spend more money on new High Elf models. NOOOOOOO!!!!!

-- (Terry Pratchett, Maskerade)

Lol, that's a little over the top. A white lion pulling a chariot would be pretty awesome though. I have always liked high elves as a fantasy army too, so seeing the army revamped will be interesting.

~ Lindsay ~

I thought the lion chariot was just going to be a cool special charcter?

Anyway you can explain pretty much anything you want in warhammer with 1 word, MAGIC!

The high elves are 1 of the most magical of races so they could easily have any creature they want pulling their chariots, just say it's been bound by spells.

I can't wait for the 10th edition High elf list with a chariot pulled by 100 hawks :biggrin:

Back on topic, what do people think about the rumours of high elves getting "strikes 1st" for their troops, I've heard all infantry will get it unless they come with great weapons, though it seems to be hotly contested.

I can't see this fitting the fluff very well if high elven spearmen get it for free whilst wardancers have to sacrifice an attack and only dark elf assasins get it in their list.

That seems a bit far fetched to me. Unless they made the infantry really expensive, that would make units like Spearmen mighty broken.

I guess we'll find out whether its true soon enough, but my bet is that its a rumor.

Yeah, if High Elf spearmen got the first attack everytime, fighting in three ranks they would be insanely harsh. Lothern Seaguard would be even worse.

hahaha, yeah. Like have you seen that simpsons episode when Lucy Lawless (Xena) is being asked about episode errors in her show?

A wizard did it.

I,ve gotten news by several GW reps that HE is next, but was also told that even GW is completely sure themselves.

I didnt know Xena could fly.
-Lisa
I told you, Im not Xena, Im Lucy Lawless.
-Lucy

Anyway, I play High Elves and have heard that Spearmen might strike first in the first round of any combat. For instance, they either charge or get charged and have pike-ish rules for their exceptionally long spears.

As a note, White Lions are also a worth while High Elven elite infantry, but other than them, Swordmasters, and Spearmen the other non-skirmishing, non-warmachine infantry peoples are just terrible.

i've heard this as well
though i have never actually heard the true wording of the rule so i'm not sure what it will do

however, i know the reason of why they are doing it
basically.... when they did wood elves they introduced the "Asrai Archery" special rule that reflected their fighting style in one giant friendly rule that the whole army can use
now that they are doing the high elves, we can expect to see a new "Asur Fighting(or something)" rule that will reflect their elite status when fighting in combat
or something like that

the Dark Elves will get a fancy rule too when they come out, whenever that is

If the High Elves get a strike first rule, I'll eat my hat. Yes, I DO have a hat.

They should be giving it the rule to delves and welves if they give it to the helves.

It may be like the Glade Guard longbows rule and only apply to spearmen when they are charged from the front (maybe seaguard too).

I remember when Wood elves were in the pipeline a freind heard that ALL wood elf bows became ST4 and and all wood elves could move and fire without penalty.
The same with the killing blow rule for waywatchers that sounded really nasty on paper, but you need a bit of luck to kill 1 empire knight a turn and he costs about the same as 1 Waywatcher.

As we all know it's only glade guard and only at short range, otherwise glade riders and scouts would be very powerful.

That's always the trouble with rumours, until you've got the book in your hands you don't know for sure what it'll contain and it's easy to get carried away.

always strike first is wat sum characters pay 30 pts for
anti- scouts lose the gg longbows rule wich is why they suck at 17 pts/model

always strike first is wat sum characters pay 30 pts for
anti- scouts lose the gg longbows rule wich is why they suck at 17 pts/model

If anything thats what it will be. I think strikes first for the whole army is just too powerful! GW wont do that surely!

Especially when we don't have heavy armour or any most of the time. If anything we will be fast enough in combat to have strikes first so why should they get it?

Juriko...what happened there?!?! (lol) double click?

SDETT

oooooooooh... oops i hide me head in shame
comps slow mus've accidently clicked twice sry im very sry *blushes*
i suppose it can be deleted

Yeah, which is why I said:

Scouting, combined with being skirmishers would make ST4 bows amazing and if that were the case I'd take scouts over waywatchers anyday.


I don't think it'll be always stike first, but it may be strike in initiative order, but that's almost as good unless they are figthing other elves or a few characters.

After all if pikes get it then why not elven spears?

While I think even that would be overpowered toa degree, just the spearmen is slightly different from the whole army!

I expect they'll think of something to add to high elf infantry in general, without doing as much difference as that would.

Servant of Isha.

If you ask me now that i play high elfs i can see that nearly all their units are well....average. Theres nothing great and wonderful like our Dryads, wild riders, treeman, wardancers (the list goes on). They do have good items and very good mages. They have no great weakness but they don't have no great strength either. Its ok as they don't cost too much (well some do).

I think some cool rule for their infantry would be good. As too many people go cav and magic heavy (i'm seriously thinking about it and i don't want to). I think they need it. But no all strikes first or in initiative order. Maybe something like some cool weapons or getting some cool units that can dish out more than just 1 attack each. :<

Edit: Pikes strike first because of their length. They are longer so can hit the enemy as they charge forward into the blades.

SDETT

i agre... we have dryads, eternal guard, and wd, dark elves have witch elves...
fight in 3 ranks is ok, but looks absolutely pointless next to eternal guard
swordmasters are good, but only 1 atk each...
white lions sm reason
cavalry, though, their's is pretty darn good
but us WILD RIDERS are the kings of them all! :p

High Elves do have Dragon Princes, which are very powerful on the charge (they also look amazing). This combined with a chariot can wreck any of the above mentioned units that we woodelves have.
Their infantry is slightly overpriced and undereffective, but thats what you get for giving slender elves spears instead of bows.

tbh, it is due time that high elves are top of the food chain

theyve sucked for years

I have been playing High Elves for years, six to be exact, and they have been unforgiving the whole time. Nothing makes you into a better general than using a very underpowered army and sticking with it. That being said, I would hate myself if I went all cavalry and magic, as that is the easy way out. With that bit being said, as a High Elf player, I will say that our cavalry is not the best, nor is it the worst, some where in the bottom of the top, or the top of the middle, and from the rumours I have heard, GW wants to power down the cavalry and power up the infantry to stop the power gamers. This would lead to some problems, as our cavalry is fine as it is and only our infantry needs some boosts in the proper places to make our list more powerful and less...wimpy. Of course, people will disagree and bicker about this that everything needs to be changed in every direction, but hey, nobody knows yet.

The cav being downgraded? Great thats just what they need :dry: The silvers are good only because they are 2+AS core. I use 1 unit of them and they aren't that reliable. I mean my wild riders are more reliable (but being special).

Infantry getting boosts? Good. I want to go infantry based with lots of spears and swordmasters. Chariots for support and Bolt throwers for shooting. Some magic but not too much. At this moment it works very badly. The way of heavy cav and magic IS basically the only way they can win without some kind of luck. And i hate power gaming.

I agree the cav is no where near the best. Nor worst. But every unit in there is like that. Its not as bad as some but no where near as good as others. ALL their troops are averge, and for elfs? thats abit bad.

I other words...can't wait for the next book. It'll hopefully make my record of them less losing. Just to get rid of pure of heart is good enough and i will be happy.

SDETT

Aye, but the points are above adverage, you've got to remember the points. With High Elf players battleing anyone is all a matter of points. I love them but they cost so much. With Wood Elves I play lots of games and win alot, but with high elves I have a major problem and have an immediate disadvantage. I struggle to win and am severly outnumbered.
I hope the High Elf spearmen get a rule like if a unit is charging the spearmen over their normal movement value, so 4+" for a man. The Spearmen are allowed to strike in intitative order. This would work with many units if they cost their current points value.

I don't think the spearmen getting to strike 1st when charged from the front is too powerful. Even a 7 wide unit with a champion only gives 22 attacks if you keep the fight in 3 ranks rule.

Against WS3 T3 4+ save troops thats on average just under 3 dead enemies.
So seeing as how expensive they are the enemy would probably have an extra rank and outnumber so would only need 1 wound to draw.

What High Elves really need to sort out is their awful elite infantry, with the 7th ed 5 wide rule combat is decided even more by static combat res. Other armies can easily have plenty of units with 3 ranks, standard and outnumber but elves will struggle and that unit ends up being worth 300+VPs once you include the standard.

I've heard that all those silly 0-1 will go but they also need to make white lions and phoenix guard viable (make em special and some better rules and a points reduction).
Maybe there could be a rule that allows them or swordmasters to be core like the eternal guard rule.

At the moment eagles and bolt throwers are such a great choice as they are 2 per rare, no-one is ever going to take anything else.

I think Silver helms are about right as are dragon princes, shadow warriors and ellyrion reavers need something to make them viable as they are quite cool.

Maybe they could steal the kindred idea and have elven nobles being from certain provinces and get the rules of that troops type and make it core. they already did it to some stage with the white lion and swordmaster honour.

The main problem with High Elves is that there is little need to take the elite troops. They just don't do enough and are far too expensive.

Also, the Swordmaster honour in the last version ROCKED. I played a Prince with the swormaster honour in a chariot and he was nigh unstoppable.

One further thing they should be rid of is the Intrigue at Court rule. It really blows and your battleplan suffers because of it.