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|Posted by: galveston Nov 5 2006, 05:21 AM|
| Still checking the finals at sitcomsonline.com. Here you go.
Supernatural received 3.38 million viewers with a 1.4/3 in the 18-49 demographic and a 1.6/3 in the 25-54 category. Interesting how it skews up a whole three tenths once you add the 50 year olds. This series does have older fans. Not every show skews up in the older demo as reported on this site, but Supernatural always does.
Smallville ticked up in the finals to receive 5.01 million viewers, and a 2.1/5 in both 18-49 and 25-54 demos.
The OC edged out Supernatural with 3.39 million viewers and a 1.5/3 in 18-49, 1.6/3 in 25-54 category. It beat them by 1,000 viewers and one tenth in 18-49 demographic.
What blows my mind is the performance of frigging Deal or No Deal on NBC for crying out loud. 13.22 million viewers and that's supposed to be the weak network competition. Add in 20.77 million for CSI and 21.02 for your favorite and mine--Grey's Anatomy.
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 5 2006, 05:24 AM|
| Yeah I know Galveston, DOND will be taken off Thursday's by the end of the month and replaced with weaker sitcoms.
Also Fox is shifting The OC to Wednesday nights for two weeks and if it does well there it will stay. However if it fails then it might be cancelled.
But we always go up and down next week we will go back up again.
|Posted by: Dean5339 Nov 5 2006, 07:34 AM|
| Also- guess who is in more homes? That's right- FOX. So, to see that they beat us by only 1,000 viewers? Give us the same number of homes.... that's right. We probably have them beat.
1. We are the top 3 (in normal CW shows) and 5 in (reality, wrestling & normal shows). TOP 3!!!
2. With a considerable less amount of households than Fox, and to have stood up by that much... lets just say it's not a pretty sight over at Fox right now.
3. CW is obviously setting up Supernatural as one of it's flagships. With merchandise and a possible companion show to try to repeat the sucess of the show.
So, stop worrying. Everything is going great. Don't see any negative. Yeah, we went down a little this week- big deal. If a week meant life or death- then panic. But, a week is a week. That's all it is.
|Posted by: immie_8 Nov 5 2006, 09:58 AM|
|Wow, I didn't know that SN had so many older viewers. I've already posted this at the help desk, but no one's answered yet, so I'm going to ask again here. What do all those tenths mean? I've tried looking it up on other pages and every time I try to read an explanation I get confused. Could one of you more ratings savvy ppl please help me out here? Thanks!!!|
|Posted by: escapism101 Nov 5 2006, 12:21 PM|
Dean5339 -- you hit the nail on the head. Since the CW isn't available in all areas, that makes the ratings a bit skewed. I am convinced we have a lot more viewers out there then the ratings show but those people are having to go to YouTube to watch the episodes. I also think we dipped a bit because it was the season premiere of The OC. People were curious as to how that show was going to work having killed off a major character. Judging from the less then stellar performance (The OC was down something like 45% from last year), people tuned in, watched, and then left to go do something else. I suspect we will see a return in some of those numbers this week.
As for the tenths (hopefully I am explaining it right)....ratings are done in percentages not whole numbers. From the Neilson site...there is an estimated 130.6 people between the ages of 18-49 in America (the key demographic) so 1% of those equals 1.31 million people. Remember not everybody has one of those cool little ratings recorder in their homes and most homes have more then one TV -- this is one of the reason that many in the industry are calling for a new way to count ratings. The old way is just that...old and antiquated and is probably not truly representing the face of the average television viewer.
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 5 2006, 02:30 PM|
escapism you got the clincher right there. The season premiers are always pretty high and if the OC only beat SN by 1,000 viewers that speaks volumes. SN's premier was way higher than the OC.
I really don't think we have much to worry about.
|Posted by: jadams04 Nov 5 2006, 02:49 PM|
| Personally I'm not worried either. The numbers will go up next week.
Hermitme and escapism I think you're right.
Is DOND on thursdays?
|Posted by: JessicaRae Nov 7 2006, 01:14 AM|
| Personally, it doesn't make sense to me to compare the CW with CBS, NBC, ABC, and FOX because most people can only get the CW if they have cable or satelite. DESPITE it being a supposed local network station.
It makes more sense to me to compare it to other cable/satelite networks like USA, SciFi, and TBS and so on. Then Supernatural's ratings are pretty darn good. I mean, Stargate was getting 4.1 on average for ratings and SciFi thought that was great. Supernatural with 3.38....
I think a good promotion campaign would be for the CW to make deals and get their shows, Supernatural especially, promoted on other cable/satelite networks. I'll bet money they'd get even better ratings. There is just no way they can compete with CBS, ABC, NBC, and FOX when everyone gets those networks but not many can get the CW locally...
|Posted by: jennmbc Nov 7 2006, 01:31 AM|
I totally agree, I think that SN will be ok. Not that I would be opposed to any kind of letter writing campaigne (I saw that on some thread in here I get lost). I hope that the CW is setting SN to be a flagship show. I also think rerunning the eps on Sunday will help draw in viewers too.
|Posted by: Supernaturally Obsessed Nov 7 2006, 11:31 AM|
|Like I said when the fast nationals came out, a one week dip is okay, it's not going to kill us. Now, if the numbers continue to drop, then hit the panic button. I don't foresee that happening any time soon.|
|Posted by: midsummersnight678 Nov 7 2006, 04:25 PM|
|ahh no that sux. I saw the One Tree Hill ratings and i cnat believe that OTH is doing better than Supernatural..|
|Posted by: wenart25 Nov 7 2006, 04:27 PM|
Well, that was one night in the ratings!!! I would not worry about that!!!
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 8 2006, 05:46 PM|
| I decided we should start a CW Ratings Thread for all the CW shows Including SN.
So post all ratings here as we get them. So we can keep track of how the shows are doing and not have multiple threads floating around.
So here are Tuesday's Numbers for fast nationals.
Prime-Time Metered Market Tuesday Ratings: ABC Dances to Victory; CBS No. 3 in Election Night Coverage
Tuesday 11/07/06 Metered Market Ratings
NETWORK HH RATING/SHARE
Note: Due to Election night coverage, overnight comparisons to the year-ago evening are excluded. As a reminder, the fast national results for Tuesday will be posted at www.pifeedback.com at 12 p.m. ET. Go to the website, click on Ratings Box (the first category), then Last Night's Results, and Tuesday, Nov. 7, 2006.
Dancing With the Stars (ABC), NCIS (CBS), House (Fox)
-Yesterday's Losers (excluding repeats):
Friday Night Lights (NBC), Standoff (CBS), Veronica Mars (CW)
Led by the countdown to the season-finale of Dancing With the Stars and Election Night coverage, ABC dominated Tuesday, with an average overnight rating advantage over second-place CBS of a hefty 45 percent. Expect ABC to also rule once the fast national rating results are posted at www.pifeedback.com at 12 p.m. ET.
A half-hour clips edition of the addictive Dancing With the Stars opened the evening for ABC with a first-place 12.9 rating/19 share at 8 p.m. That led into the one-hour semi-finals at a season-high 15.0/21 in the overnights from 8:30-9:30 p.m. As to who is going home tonight (based on their two dances, Mario, Emmitt and Joey are tied with 59 points from the judges), it's time for the former Gimme A Break kid to sadly bid adieu.
Second in the 8 p.m. hour was CBS' rock solid NCIS at a 10.4/15 in the overnights, followed by NBC's struggling Friday Night Lights (4.1/ 6), Fox's poorly relocated Standoff (3.7/ 5), and the CW's diluted Gilmore Girls (3.7/ 5). Comparably, Gilmore Girls on the WB on the year-ago evening was considerably more potent at a 5.3/ 8 (on Tuesday, Nov. 8, 2005).
Opposite the final half-hour of ABC's Dancing With the Stars (plus the first half-hour of ABC's Election coverage), Fox's House stood tall with a second-place 11.4/16 in the overnights from 9-10 p.m. (and an expected first-place finish among adults 18-49 once the fast nationals are released). Comparably, House built from anemic lead-in Standoff by a mammoth 208 percent in rating and 11 share points.
Third in the overnights in the 9 p.m. hour was CBS' The Unit (7.2/10), which remains a compatible fit out of NCIS. NBC's Law & Order: Criminal Intent ranked fourth with a 5.9/ 8 (44 percent above lead-in Friday Night Lights), followed by the CW's still struggling Veronica Mars (2.0/ 3). To the fans wondering if the CW will give Veronica Mars a back-nine episode order, my guess is yes given the lack of upcoming new midseason programming options.
ABC got a jump on Election Night coverage, with a 9.3/13 in the overnights in the 9:30 p.m. half-hour (out of Dancing With the Stars, of course). In the battle of the Election coverage from 10-11 p.m., ABC remained the top choice, followed by NBC and CBS. Take a look:
Tuesday 10-11 p.m. Election Night Coverage
ABC: 6.6/11, NBC: 5.3/ 8, CBS: 4.5/ 7
Don't forget, for a more detailed analysis using fast national data, go to www.pifeedback.com at 12 p.m., click on Ratings Box (the first category), then Last Night's Results, and Tuesday, Nov. 7, 2006.
Looks Like VM is Dead against House as predicted. But look at the Drop of with Gilmore Girls. A lot of fans are upset with the pairing of C/L
|Posted by: galveston Nov 8 2006, 06:14 PM|
|She's deader than dead. Berman corrected his viewer number at the end of his thread at his pifeedback.com site. VM received 2.85 million viewers and a 1.3 demo. I believe GG only received 4.3 million and change. That Lorelai /Christopher storyline is sure reeling them in.|
|Posted by: wenart25 Nov 8 2006, 06:17 PM|
| That is an excellent idea April!!
As for the ratings for last night...well according to Marc Berman..VM got 2.85 million viewers...
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 8 2006, 08:50 PM|
Not yet galveston, cheer up. He said that the CW really doesn't have much for mid-season, so I'm thinking maybe VM may still have a chance.
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 8 2006, 11:54 PM|
| Thanks for pinning the thread hermitme
Also breaking news VM just got a 3 episode order bringing it's total to 16. While OTH received 1 additional episode order.
|Posted by: wenart25 Nov 8 2006, 11:56 PM|
| So that would mean 16 episodes for VM and 14 episodes for OTH for this season..correct April?
Well..hopefully the CW will change their mind and order the other 6 episodes that VM deserves!!
Thanks for posting that!!!
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 9 2006, 12:04 AM|
| Yep Wenart
Either OTH got 1 or 3 episode order she wasn't clear on that.
If OTH got 3 additional episodes then both shows have a total of 16 episodes for the season.
|Posted by: wenart25 Nov 9 2006, 12:06 AM|
Thanks for clearing that up for me April! Well...it kinda sucks that VM was not given the rest of the back nine. I think that VM deserves it a lot more than OTH getting any additional eppies ordered. Oh well...at least VM got an additional 3, which is something..you know!!
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 9 2006, 12:08 AM|
| I think Dawn is fighting real hard for VM lmao and is like screw OTH hahahah
There is no offical word just Kristin's gossip just we will have to wait and see what the offical word is.
It's funny I want her to move SN back to Tuesday's at 9pm and put VM against Grey's and see what happens. I am real mean.
|Posted by: wenart25 Nov 9 2006, 12:10 AM|
| That is extremely mean April!! If VM was in SN timeslot...VM ratings would be horrendous!! I mean really bad..bad, bad!!!
I like SN where it is!! But then again..that is me!!!
|Posted by: Shaylen Nov 9 2006, 12:26 AM|
|So what happens if they drop VM..do they have new shows they will put on in its place??I just know how all this stuff works..tring to figure it out.|
|Posted by: hvstmn247 Nov 9 2006, 12:28 AM|
I gotta say that Kristin V is not the most reliable sccoper but We will see. I hope for VM fans that it is true although why not just renew the show for 22 then?
I am confused b/c I assumed OTH had 22 episodes is that not the case?
|Posted by: wenart25 Nov 9 2006, 12:33 AM|
| No..OTH was always a 13 episode pick-up....with the option of ordering the back nine to make it a full season. Instead...based on what KV stated...OTH got either a one episode pick-up or three? That is unclear which it is.
|Posted by: wenart25 Nov 9 2006, 12:38 AM|
The CW has what are known as mid-season replacement shows that they show at mid-season. These shows usually take the place of a show that is already on the air. So for instance..the CW could take VM off the air and then put Hidden Palms it is timeslot..to see how well it does with the viewers. The mid-season replacement shows usually have already a set amount of episodes that have been ordered...so if the ratings are good..then it stays on the air until the episode run is over..and then they could put back on VM to finish its seasons run.
If the mid-season replacement shows do well..there is a chance that they could be given another season. I hope that helps!!
|Posted by: wenart25 Nov 9 2006, 04:46 PM|
| Well...here are Wednesday nights ratings...
Posted 09 November 2006 11:37 AM 09 November 2006 11:37 AM
Prime-Time Wednesday Ratings:
ABC Wins, CBS a Close Second, Fox’s The O.C. DOA in Midweek
Metered Market Ratings
NBC 5.4/ 8
Fox 4.3/ 6
CW 3.5/ 5
-Percent Change From the Comparable Year-Ago Evening (Wednesday 11/09/05)
(The CW is compared to the UPN’s combination of America’s Next Top Model and Veronica Mars)
ABC: +25, CBS: no change, CW: - 5, Fox: -12, NBC: -23
ABC: 15.10 million, CBS: 14.67, NBC: 7.56, Fox: 5.53, CW: 4.45
ABC: 5.1 rating/13 share, CBS: 4.5/12, NBC: 3.0/ 8, Fox: 2.2/ 5, CW: 2.1/ 5
Dancing With the Stars Results Show (ABC), Lost (ABC), Criminal Minds (CBS), CSI: NY (CBS)
America’s Next Top Model (CW)
The O.C. (Fox), The Nine (ABC)
First, and foremost, the next time someone mentions that variety is dead in prime time, remind that person of Dancing With the Stars, which is now the true definition of that genre. On that note, ABC danced its way to another Wednesday victory, with a first-place finish in the overnights, total viewers and adults 18-49. The live Dancing With the Stars Results Show (so long, Joey Lawrence) kicked-off the evening for ABC with a 14.3 rating/21 share in the overnights, 20.64 million viewers and a 5.2 rating/15 share among adults 18-49 -- a time period high. Tied for second in the hour was Fox’s Bones (Overnights: #2, 6.1/ 9; Viewers: #2, 7.53 million; A18-49: #3, 2.8/ 7) and CBS’ soon-to-temporarily exit Jericho (Overnights: #3, 6.0/ 9; Viewers: #2, 9.79 million; A18-49: #2, 3.0/ 8). For more on Jericho, see TV Tidbits below.
Over at NBC, a two hour edition of The Biggest Loser (in place of former occupants 30 Rock and 20 Good Years) was not the biggest loser with an overall third-place 5.0/ 7 in the overnights, 7.30 million viewers and a 3.1/ 8 among adults 18-49 from 8-10 p.m. Following last week’s clips show, America’s Next Top Model on the CW bounced back with a healthy 4.5/ 7 in the overnights (#5), 5.39 million viewers (#5) and a 2.6/ 7 (#4t) among adults 18-49. Comparatively, that was virtually equal to it’s year-ago performance on UPN (on Wednesday, Nov. 9, 2005).
In the 9-10 p.m. battle of ABC’s Lost versus CBS’ booming Criminal Minds, it was another week of shared leadership. Lost was second in the overnights (11.6/17) and total viewers (17.10 million) and first among adults 18-49 (7.0/17), while Criminal Minds was just the opposite with an 11.7/17 in the overnights (#1), 17.54 million viewers (#1) and a second-place 5.1/12 among adults 18-49. As for Lost, considering we now have to wait another three months for an original episode, I wish there would have been some sort of resolution -- anything -- last night. Why we needed another back-story on Kate’s shady past (which revealed nothing new about the character) was beyond me. J.J. -- what’s going on?
Fox took a major tumble, meanwhile, at 9 p.m. with a last-minute telecast of fading The O.C. sinking to a mere 2.6/ 4 in the overnights (#4), 3.53 million viewers (#4) and a 1.5/ 4 among adults 18-49 (#4t). Comparatively, that was just about equal to its anemic season-opener last Thursday, with retention out of lead-in Bones of just 43 percent in the overnights, 47 percent in total viewers and 54 percent among adults 18-49. Since I am not a loyal fan of The O.C., is this sharp decline just a reflection of the absence of Mischa Barton?
Also at 9 p.m. was the CW’s One Tree Hill at a typical 2.5/ 4 in the overnights (#5), 3.52 million viewers (#5) and a 1.5/ 4 among adults 18-49 (#4t).
At 10 p.m., CBS’ CSI: NY remains the show to beat with a healthy 10.7/17 in the overnights, 16.69 million viewers and a 5.4/15 among adults 18-49. A distant second was NBC’s Dateline (Overnights: 6.3/10; Viewers: 8.07 million; A18-49: 3.0/ 8), followed by ABC’s struggling The Nine at a 5.8/ 9 in the overnights (#3), 7.57 million viewers (#3) and a 3.0/ 8 among adults 18-49 (#2t). Comparably, that put retention for The Nine out of Lost of just 50 percent in the overnights, 44 percent in total viewers and 43 percent among adults 18-49.
Source: Nielsen Media Research data
It looks like the OC beat OTH by only 1,000 viewers! The OC is dead!
All this can be found at: http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/97010691
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 9 2006, 05:09 PM|
| Ouch see I knew The OC and OTH would cancel each other out. LOL
Still OTH did better than expected.
|Posted by: galveston Nov 9 2006, 05:20 PM|
|Well all I have to say is thank God Dancing With the Stars performed so well. I was on the edge of my seat all night worried about it. I couldn't sleep, I tell you.|
|Posted by: clois4ever Nov 9 2006, 05:42 PM|
| Next week One Tree Hill has it super easy if they do not leave The OC there it vertially has no comp which is a bit unfair.
I wish some of these shows where not doing as well b/c it makes me more worried about SN doing well this week. I hope Linda Blair being on would help.
I kindof wished they where moving the oc to Wends so SN could get a break.
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 9 2006, 05:52 PM|
| Actually The OC will be on Wednesday nights for a couple of weeks
But if The OC continues to do poorly then I can see FOX Yanking it.
|Posted by: wenart25 Nov 9 2006, 06:10 PM|
Yep..so do I. I mean it had the same reaction on Wed nights that it did this past Thursday...only beat a CW show by 1,000 viewers!
The OC is dead. I think that FOX could keep the OC on Thursday and Wednesday nights and just let it die off.
Or as April said...if it continues to do badly...FOX could yank it all together!!!
|Posted by: lambforever Nov 9 2006, 06:16 PM|
Really ok I just thought this was a one time thing.
BTW I heard some rumors that Fox is not even sure they want The OC to go on to the 16 episodes that where orderd. I know Rachel Bilson and Adam Broody have both said they want the show to end this year and said the producers may eaither focas on the younger OC cast or just end the show this year. Eaither way I think this is the last herrah for the OC.
I also heard the CW may be trying to decide between keeping OTH and VM and are not sure which one. I have to say with ATM being the highest rated show and GG being done after this year and OTH getting better ratings I am not sure things are looking to good for VM.
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 9 2006, 06:34 PM|
| Well VM did get an additional 3 episode order bringing it's total to 16 While OTH only got 1 or 3 as well not too clear on that.
If they really had to choose they would pick VM over OTH.
Yeah you are right about The OC. I have a feeling they will leave it on Wed and Thurs to burn off the rest of the episodes. Unless they cut it back to 13.. Fox can not afford to have this during sweeps. Being beat by The CW.
|Posted by: galveston Nov 9 2006, 06:44 PM|
|One Tree Hill will have enough problems when American Idol premieres in the spring. The results show on Wednesdays have always aired at 9. OTH and American Idol share exactly the same demographic.|
|Posted by: lambforever Nov 9 2006, 06:48 PM|
I am really pulling for VM just b/c it's a better show and I think it has more potential and the people on VM can act so yeah. Heck even some OTH fans are saying they would pick VM over OTH.
|Posted by: wenart25 Nov 9 2006, 07:15 PM|
| Well last night I was surfing the CW OTH boards and some are the fans are pissed that OTH did not get a full season pick-up! I mean one poster even said...something to the effect of..We were lied too!!! Apparently..they always thought that OTH was going to run for a full season...(***walks away quitely...not going to say anything that will get me into trouble*******)
Another poster said...if we do not get a full season...I am not watching the CW anymore..no matter what they are showing. OTH is my life. (paraphrased)
Well...I still think the CW will keep VM over OTH...because of the quality of the show is better!!
OTH has gone down hill so much...it is awful!!!
It will be interesting to see what happens!!
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 9 2006, 07:28 PM|
| Well let's put it this way if Hidden Palms goes post OTH for midseason and does better than OTH. OTH is gone!
Dawn will keep VM over OTH. Quailty wise VM is a much better show, acting wise it's still better.
The CW never lied to them about VM or OTH. Both were always 13 episode orders with the option for the back 9. Or if Ratings were so bad cut back to 9..
The only shows at the beginning that were for 22 episodes GG, SV and SN. Drama wise, and the comedies.
Really they have nothing to go with SV that won't get trampled by Grey's, CSI and DOND.
Besides SV and SN are the male demo's they want
|Posted by: SupernaturalFan06 Nov 10 2006, 12:56 AM|
What ?!!? We stayed at 3.38 mil. is that not what the original numbers were? This sucks now the OC beat us. I was content with tying the OC but now they beat us....we need supernatural getting better numbers so it will for sure get another season.....Lets hope tonight gets better ratings with Linda Blair.
|Posted by: wenart25 Nov 10 2006, 02:57 AM|
| You and I know that...but some people on the board refuse to believe that....that the OTH was not given a full season in the beginning. I kinda think that it is funny!!!
|Posted by: WinchesterSweetie Nov 10 2006, 03:28 AM|
TVGuide's Ausiello clears that up in his http://community.tvguide.com/forum.jspa?forumID=700000049:
In other news, the CW has ordered three more scripts of both Veronica Mars (hooray!) and One Tree Hill (yawn).
Good news for VM - not the back 9 they were hoping for, but a step nonetheless. As for OTH.... cancelation ASAP would be the best remedy.
|Posted by: wenart25 Nov 10 2006, 03:37 AM|
That is so funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 10 2006, 01:16 PM|
But OTH really isn't doing too bad. Yeah, it doesn't have any competition, and neither does ANTM does it?
|Posted by: TweedleDuh Nov 10 2006, 01:26 PM|
|Aww hell.. i LOVE one tree hill.. LOL always have... soo much better then the OC... and i need my Guilty pleasure! I hope it sticks around! its not hurting anyone LOL|
|Posted by: jabukarakija Nov 10 2006, 01:42 PM|
| THe major comp that OTH has is Lost but they are on a hiatus now, until Feb. Also CBS has Criminal Minds. THe main comp, since Lost left, is Fox has OC, unless they move it back to Thursdays.
ANTM doesn't have any shows that i would call competition. On Fox they have Bones, which is good, but i like ANTM. ABC has Dancing with the Stars is their main comp, even though i don't see why or what the appeal of it is, but that should be ending soon. CBS has Jericho but that's barely getting viewers, or so i've heard.
My poor OTH!!! I must say that this season is the best out of them all.
|Posted by: Jill713 Nov 10 2006, 02:39 PM|
|I am a huge OTH fan and they would be making a huge mistake taking it off the air this quickly.... this season is great and loyal fans know that and are tuning in. It shows in their ratings each week... I dont think we have anything to worry about.. OTH and SN will be fine!!|
|Posted by: Aimee Nov 10 2006, 03:07 PM|
|I think this was for last week. The numbers for this week aren't out yet.|
|Posted by: galveston Nov 10 2006, 03:47 PM|
Per sitcomsonline.com, with viewer number, 18-49 demo and 25-54 demo.
House earned 16.11 million with a 6.8/16 and a 7.6/16 in key demos.
America's Next Top Model--5.37--2.6/7--2.3/6
One Tree Hill--3.56--1.6/4--1.3/3
The OC earned 3.54 million viewers with a 1.5/4 and 1.4/3 in key demos. One Tree Hill beat it across the board. LOST had 17.15 million, 7.0/17 and 7.8/17. Criminal Minds had 17.57 million, 5.2/12 and 6.6/15.
|Posted by: WinchesterSweetie Nov 10 2006, 03:53 PM|
| Here's a fun little stat for ya guys:
- America's Next Top Model's average of its first five episodes this season: 5.206 million
- Smallville's average of its first five episodes this season: 4.772 million
- Gilmore Girls's average of its first five episodes this season: 4.570 million
- Friday Night Smackdown's average of its first five episodes this season: 4.160 million
- Supernatural's average of its first five episodes this season: 3.598 million
- 7th Heaven's average of its first five episodes this season: 3.588 million
- One Tree Hill's average of its first five episodes this season: 3.284 million
- Veronica Mars's average of its first five episodes this season: 3.094 million
- Everybody Hates Chris's average of its first five episodes this season: 2.804 million
- Girlfriends's average of its first five episodes this season: 2.790 million
- All of Us's average of its first five episodes this season: 2.594 million
- The Game's average of its first five episodes this season: 2.512 million
- Runaway's average of its first five episodes this season: haha yeah right
- SN is beating 7th Hell!
- 7thH's average, even with the transition from Monday to Sunday, still beats OTH's with over 600,000 viewers
- VM's average was actually better a year ago! 3.196 mill. Of course, it had ANTM as a lead-in back then
|Posted by: WinchesterSweetie Nov 10 2006, 03:57 PM|
So OTH beat The OC? That's very interesting. The question is whether Fox thinks these Wednesday ratings are good enough to move it there permanently. It improved from its debut of 3.390 million last Thursday. And if yesterday night's airing was down, it probably will move.
|Posted by: wenart25 Nov 10 2006, 04:09 PM|
| Well...while the numbers per viewers is not out yet...Marc Berman Inside Programmer is stating that ...
NBC’s Deal or No Deal, which is getting ready to wisely exit the Thursday war zone, finished third in the overnights with a 6.5/10 , followed by the CW’s Supernatural (2.5/ 4) and…gulp…Fox’s The O.C. (2.3/ 3). Comparably, The O.C. on the year-ago evening (Thursday, Nov. 10, 2005) averaged a 3.8/ 6 in the overnights at 8 p.m. Year-ago failed Thursday 9 p.m. drama Reunion even rated higher at a 2.8/ 4. Word of advice to the residents of Orange County: get those trendy bags packed!
The CW also beat FOX again in the Thursday night ratings overall!! This is good news for the network!!!
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 10 2006, 04:10 PM|
we kicked ass. Go SN
|Posted by: Dean5339 Nov 10 2006, 04:17 PM|
The reason why I find it funny is this. We just gave Fox a MAJOR ass whooping.
Fox is in almost EVERY household I think, while the CW is in about 1/5th of that!!! Give us the same amount of households as Fox and ... wow, Fox must be going crazy right about now!
|Posted by: immie_8 Nov 10 2006, 04:26 PM|
|Yay SN!!! It always puts a smile on my face to hear that we beat FOX. And, yes, Dean5339, I think that FOX execs are probably going up the walls right now...that being said, many have noted that if FOX tried investing in quality programming, it might not have this problem...whatever...SN rocks and I can't wait for next week's ep.!!!!!!|
|Posted by: galveston Nov 10 2006, 04:39 PM|
| Fox doesn't need quality programming. American Idol pays all the bills and they know it. Add in House and 24, and they don't need anything else. Not even Prison Break. Prison Break isn't doing that well. It's regularly earning under 9 million viewers now and it's slipping. It's by no means a mega hit. I think it was a one season flash in the pan. What else does Fox have?
I hope we beat OTH in total viewers. That HH percentage is the same as OTH's.
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 10 2006, 04:43 PM|
| Hey Galveston
Thanks for those numbers for Wednesday Night.
Mind if I snatch them and post them on the other board? Because let me tell you Fox getting their asses kicked two nights in a row not good. Ben is going to be eating crow for a week. Heheheh
As for SV and SN go boys go boys we so rule!
Last nights Smallville was friggen outstanding.
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 10 2006, 04:44 PM|
How do you figure?
One Tree Hill--3.56--1.6/4--1.3/3
Supernatural --------2.5/ 4
And, knowing FOX it will probably cancel PB just because it's not getting megamillions, in which case it would be wise for another station to pick it up. I don't watch it, but I don't watch anythign but SN. However, it could last if given a chance.
|Posted by: theratwhispers Nov 10 2006, 04:51 PM|
Now I see the new numbers.
|Posted by: galveston Nov 10 2006, 04:51 PM|
| You know I don't mind. I'm not anal retentive that way. Those second two numbers are the 18-49 and 25-54 demo, hermitme.
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 10 2006, 04:52 PM|
I gave you credit for it anyhow
Anything to Keep Ben's mouth shut LMAO
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 10 2006, 04:53 PM|
|I'm going to merge this thread with the main thread.|
|Posted by: galveston Nov 10 2006, 04:54 PM|
|Hold the phone, I take that bit about the HH percentage for OTH back. The fast national HH may have been the same, but the HH percentage for its final numbers was 2.3/3. Maybe SN did do better. The fast nationals to final nationals have been so screwy lately.|
|Posted by: galveston Nov 10 2006, 05:05 PM|
Well isn't that interesting. I think zap2it made a boo boo again. We all know that the HH percentage on Berman's column always reads higher, but zap2it says that the OC beat Supernatural, and doesn't give a number for SN at all. Remember a couple of weeks ago when it reported the CW average wrong. I think it's done it again.
...."Grey's Anatomy," the night's most-watched show with a 13.5/20, won the 9 p.m. hour for ABC. "CSI," 12.4/19, was a close second for CBS (the two networks were separated by about 100,000 viewers). NBC stayed in third with "Deal or No Deal," 7.3/11. "The O.C.," 2.3/3, kept FOX in front of The CW and "Supernatural."....
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 10 2006, 05:07 PM|
Maybe somebody should smack Zap2it and tell them to get on the shtick.
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 10 2006, 05:09 PM|
| Zap2it also Says that the Brad Garrett Sitcom beat Smallville, which I doubt.. Since the last few weeks Smallville has beaten the Sitcom hands down.
I don't trust Zap2it they always mess up
|Posted by: theratwhispers Nov 10 2006, 05:09 PM|
Ummmm, Zap2it needs corrected. Supernatural owned The O.C. last night. O_o;
How do you correct them?
|Posted by: Poseidon Nov 10 2006, 05:12 PM|
| from http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/30710791
Fifth in the 9 p.m. hour was the CW’s Supernatural at a modest 3.15 million viewers and a 1.4/ 3 among adults 18-49. Comparably, that put retention for Supernatural out of Smallville at 70 percent in viewers and 74 percent among adults 18-49 (not terrible given it faces Grey’s Anatomy and CSI).
|Posted by: hvstmn247 Nov 10 2006, 05:12 PM|
|That sucks We where lower then last week and OTH beat us I would have thought we would be higher.|
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 10 2006, 05:14 PM|
| Prime-Time Fast National Thursday Ratings:
ABC and CBS Share Leadership, Fox Anemic
CBS: 16.23 million, ABC: 14.14, NBC: 11.50, Fox: 4.19, CW: 3.81
ABC: 5.5 rating/14 share, CBS: 5.2/14, NBC: 4.5/12, Fox: 1.7/ 4, CW: 1.6/ 4
Ugly Betty (ABC), Survivor: Cook Islands (CBS), Grey’s Anatomy (ABC), CSI (CBS), ER (NBC)
Deal or No Deal (NBC)
‘Til Death (Fox), The O.C. (Fox)
ABC and CBS dominated this second Thursday of the Nov. 2006 sweeps, with CBS the most-watched network and the home of Grey’s Anatomy No. 1 among adults 18-49. NBC ranked a respectable third, followed by fading Fox, and the CW. (For the metered market results, go to www.mediaweek.com and click on The Programming Insider).
CBS’ Survivor: Cook Islands (which finally heated up last night) was down, but certainly not out, at a first-place 14.64 million viewers and a 4.9 rating/13 share among adults 18-49 from 8-9 p.m. Comparatively, however, Survivor: Guatemala on the year-ago evening was considerably healthier at 18.98 million viewers and a 6.9/19 in the demo. ABC’s competing Ugly Betty ranked a competitive second (quite an improvement over former occupant Alias) with 12.87 million viewers and a 4.1/11 among adults 18-49. Third in the hour were NBC sitcoms My Name Is Earl (Viewers: 9.11 million; A18-49: 3.7/11) and The Office (Viewers: 8.05 million; A18-49: 3.9/10).
Elsewhere, two episodes (original and repeat) of Fox’s ‘Til Death and the CW’s Smallville shared the No. 4 and 5 spots at 8 p.m. Smallville was fifth in total viewers (4.47 million) and fourth among adults 18-49 (1.9/ 5), while the double-dose of ‘Til Death (which is at death’s door) performed as follows:
8:00 p.m. ‘Til Death
Viewers: 4.42 million (#4), A18-49: 1.7/ 5 (#5)
8:30 p.m. ‘Til Death ®
Viewers: 4.93 million (#4), A18-49: 1.9/ 5 (#5)
Apparently, everybody does not love Brad Garrett.
At 9 p.m., the winning ball moved into in ABC’s court, with Grey’s Anatomy at 20.57 million viewers and an 8.5/21 among adults 18-49. Second was CBS staple CSI at 20.47 million viewers and a 6.8/17 among adults 18-49. And NBC’s Deal or No Deal, which is getting ready to wisely exit the Thursday war zone, finished a respectable third with 11.46 million viewers and a 3.8/ 9 among adults 18-49. That was an increase of a hefty 3.41 million viewers from lead-in The Office.
Fox’s fading The O.C. finished a distant fourth, with a mere 3.71 million viewers and a 1.5/ 4 among adults 18-49. Comparably, year-ago failed occupant Reunion was a stronger option at 4.01 million viewers and a 1.8/ 5 in the demo. Word of advice to the residents of Orange County: get those trendy bags packed!
Fifth in the 9 p.m. hour was the CW’s Supernatural at a modest 3.15 million viewers and a 1.4/ 3 among adults 18-49. Comparably, that put retention for Supernatural out of Smallville at 70 percent in viewers and 74 percent among adults 18-49 (not terrible given it faces Grey’s Anatomy and CSI).
As a reminder, total viewers and adults 18-49 from last night are based on the fast nationals. Any prior results are based on the final nationals.
At 10 p.m., NBC’s ER took center stage with 14.47 million viewers and a 5.8/16 among adults 18-49. But the speculation that the veteran medical drama is growing is incorrect given that it’s year-ago performance (opposite CBS’ Without A Trace) was 15.44 million viewers and a 6.7/18 among adults 18-49. While that’s still worthy of a winner’s ranking, let’s keep it real.
Second in the 10 p.m. hour was CBS drama Shark (Viewers: 13.60 million; A18-49: 3.9/11), followed by a repeat of ABC’s Desperate Housewives at 8.99 million viewers and a 3.7/10 among adults 18-49. Comparably, that was a noticeable improvement over former occupant Six Degrees.
Okay guys now I am really worried 3.15 million this is not good at all not good. I am scared to death now. WTF is going on here?
I don't understand it at all...
I am scared to death last weeks horrible episode lost a lot of fans. Or The OC is taking our fans. Which pisses me off to no end
|Posted by: wenart25 Nov 10 2006, 05:16 PM|
| Ok...um here you guys go.....
Fifth in the 9 p.m. hour was the CW’s Supernatural at a modest 3.15 million viewers and a 1.4/ 3 among adults 18-49. Comparably, that put retention for Supernatural out of Smallville at 70 percent in viewers and 74 percent among adults 18-49 (not terrible given it faces Grey’s Anatomy and CSI).
Fox’s fading The O.C. finished a distant fourth, with a mere 3.71 million viewers and a 1.5/ 4 among adults 18-49. Comparably, year-ago failed occupant Reunion was a stronger option at 4.01 million viewers and a 1.8/ 5 in the demo. Word of advice to the residents of Orange County: get those trendy bags packed!
I am hoping that he made a mistake on the numbers...he did so with VM this week. If anyone wants to question him on this...you can at..
You have to sign up. I have tried..but the computer I am on is not working properly. I will try again because this does not seem righ to me.
I just do not know what to say....
|Posted by: theratwhispers Nov 10 2006, 05:17 PM|
| Something is messed up:
One Tree Hill got a 2.5/4 and it equalled 3.53 million.
How is it any different here?
He also made a mistake on Veronica Mars ratings earlier this week.
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 10 2006, 05:18 PM|
| How can we be that low we just can't be it doesn't make sense with a 2.5/4 unless Marc is wrong. I don't get it where did all the fans go. This is pissing me off and I am very upset and scared to death.
They need to freaking move Smallville and SN to another night
|Posted by: theratwhispers Nov 10 2006, 05:20 PM|
I think Marc messed up....
He screwed up Veronica Mars ratings earlier this week.
That really makes NO SENSE...
2.4/4 is HIGHER than last week....
something is screwy
|Posted by: galveston Nov 10 2006, 05:20 PM|
| I know what to say.
No Exit KILLED US last week just like I said it would. People hated it. I knew it. I just knew it. Ratings reflect what came the week before. I KNEW IT!!!! We needed a good start to sweeps. 3.15 million is a disaster. Everybody Hates Chris got a 3.18 million final. Say goodbye to any extra advertising money for SN, kids.
One Tree Hill rules the day.
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 10 2006, 05:22 PM|
| It still doesn't make sense to get a 2.5/4 and get 3.15 million when OTH got a 2.5/4 and 3.58 Million what is the difference.
Can someone explain this to me
|Posted by: theratwhispers Nov 10 2006, 05:23 PM|
No it doesn't make sense. SOMEONE JUMP IN THERE AND ASK HIM!
He messed up VM's ratings earlier this week.
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 10 2006, 05:24 PM|
| That can't be right. How can they state it got a 2.5/4 then say it only got 3.15 million if OTH had a 2.3/3 and got 3.56million?
|Posted by: Supernaturally Obsessed Nov 10 2006, 05:25 PM|
| I'm hoping that's some kind of mistake.
|Posted by: theratwhispers Nov 10 2006, 05:25 PM|
Exactly, that's what I'm saying.
One Tree Hill: 2.5/4 3.53 mil
Supernatural: 2.5/4 3.13 mil...what?
Someone point that out to Marc....^^^
|Posted by: wenart25 Nov 10 2006, 05:27 PM|
| Well, I was able to create an account on his forum site and will see what he says. I am hoping that he is wrong..because that does not make sense to me.
Will let eveyone know what he says!!!!!
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 10 2006, 05:28 PM|
Maybe he got the OC numbers mixed up with SN and it should be reversed?
Although I do tend to agree that NE probably drove people away.
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 10 2006, 05:29 PM|
Thanks he normally does answers the questions.
I saw your post I just created a new account and was about to ask him that same question.
This can't be right at all 2.5/4 and 3.15 million where as OTH got a 2.5/4 and 3.50 million makes no sense at all.
I kinda wonder if he flipped flopped the numbers around lol
|Posted by: lambforever Nov 10 2006, 05:29 PM|
| I am really upset now I am not sure we get to finsh this season if teh ratings contiue like this.
How dose a 2/5 equal 3.1 mil this makes no sense OTH got a 2/5 and they had 3.5 and another site printed that we beat OC this is extreamily confusing and upsetting?
|Posted by: galveston Nov 10 2006, 05:30 PM|
|The numbers in his first column are metered market readings--the top 55 markets. Fast nationals canvas more of the USA, but not all of it. I'll be very interested to see the final numbers. I have a feeling they'll change. I have an even harder time believing that Smallville dropped that much. To "Till Death?" Something is strange. Sitcoms online usually has the final numbers Saturday. All markets counted is the only way we'll know.|
|Posted by: theratwhispers Nov 10 2006, 05:30 PM|
I don't know, all anyone needs to tell him is:
One Tree Hill: 2.5/4 3.53 mil
Supernatural: 2.5/4 3.13 mil...what?
I think Supernatural got 3.53 mil, or something around that amount.
Remember, Marc screwed up VM's ratings earlier this week.
|Posted by: wenart25 Nov 10 2006, 05:33 PM|
You should ask that question anyways. This does not make any sense to me at all.
Like others are saying...if OTH got 2.5/4 and SN got 2.5/4....that just does not make sense why SN numbers would be lower!
April...go and ask him..place your question and see if he responds!!
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 10 2006, 05:34 PM|
| But how bad did Marc mess up Veronica's Numbers
Also I agree with Galveston here, Smallville loosing to Til Death when it's been beating it every week? Something is up alright
Something strange is going on with the numbers
|Posted by: theratwhispers Nov 10 2006, 05:36 PM|
| Travis says:
Supernatural's ratings were on par with VM's ratings this Tuesday... while Supernatural faces stronger competition, it had a heavily promoted guest appearance by Linda Blair, and was below last week's performance. I don't think this should be cause for alarm yet, though. CW has plenty of holes to plug before messing with the Thursday line-up.
VM got a 2.0/3
Supernatural got a 2.4/4
WTF? How is that the same!
|Posted by: hvstmn247 Nov 10 2006, 05:36 PM|
| this was the first thing posted on another boad
From Mediaweek NBC’s Deal or No Deal, which is getting ready to wisely exit the Thursday war zone, finished third in the overnights with a 6.5/10, followed by the CW’s Supernatural (2.5/ 4) and…gulp…Fox’s The O.C. (2.3/ 3
Something is wrong here. VM got a 1/9 and that equalled about 2.9 mil so can 2/5 equal 3.1. I hope we get a clear answer soon b/c I am really getting worried this is sweeps and the cw does not seem to care much about SN so this makes me scared. It is unbeliveable that we are being beaten by OTH. WTF.
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 10 2006, 05:37 PM|
| He says the numbers are correct
but I don't think so this isn't right at all. Something is fishy
also remember that OTH doesn't have the competition we have either.
This isn't right it just can't be... And Until final numbers come out I will say they are wrong.
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 10 2006, 05:37 PM|
| This is what Marc Berman has on this site
And then wenart he has this that SN was beaten? That's a bit inconsistant for him, don't you think?
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 10 2006, 05:39 PM|
| Yes, I agree I don't understand this.
Why are we getting so many different numbers it makes no sense.
What is going on here.
|Posted by: lambforever Nov 10 2006, 05:40 PM|
|I never been so worried for Supernatural. I am not sure we will even get 22 episodes anymore I am really scared now.|
|Posted by: galveston Nov 10 2006, 05:41 PM|
| Folks--Supernatural got a 2.5/4 in the metered markets. That's a group of large cities. The fast nationals include a hell of a lot more markets. Berman's first column at mediaweek is catching the metered markets only. His pifeeback column is catching the fast nationals. That means that for some reason people in the smaller markets didnt' turn on SV and SN. The futon critic is also confirming that Till Death and the OC beat Smallville and Supernatural. Smallville was down by over 500,000 viewers from last weeks. We appear to have dropped 200,000 according to fast nationals. Our retention out of Smallville was actually better.
I'm telling you--it's because last week's episode was so poorly received. That's the reason. I wouldn't expect to see the roadhouse in part 2 of the season. I understand Ellen is in one phone call in an already filmed eppy, but I'd bet top dollar we don't see them again. I wouldn't worry about a Jo romance if you don't favor that.
Let's wait for finals. I've seen finals for 7th Heaven, GG, and OTH go up by as much as 300,000. Just don't panic. I'm disappointed, too, but I'm blaming "No Exit." We'll get our 22 episodes. Have no fear.
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 10 2006, 05:42 PM|
| and this from futoncritic (yeah I know, I'm not supposed to do this)
How did the OC go from lower to higher and how did the CW all of a sudden lose so many numbers?
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 10 2006, 05:44 PM|
I agree about NE making them drop like flies, but I was hoping Linda Blair might help.
Plus, yeah I know we got 22 epis, but I want a third season also.
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 10 2006, 05:45 PM|
| I have heard there were several basketball games on in some of the smaller markets. Which could have messed with the ratings.
Yes I to blame No Exit as well.
But also the return of The OC has hurt us
They need to move SV and SN
|Posted by: wenart25 Nov 10 2006, 05:46 PM|
| Well...here is what he had to say about the ratings and SN...
Posted 10 November 2006 12:34 PM 10 November 2006 12:34 PM Hide Post
Hi wenart25...yes, that's unfortunately correct. They're two different samples, so the results can fluctuate. But given the competition, the retention for Supernatural out of Smallville is not bad.
And welcome to the forum!
Originally posted by wenart25:
Fifth in the 9 p.m. hour was the CW’s Supernatural at a modest 3.15 million viewers and a 1.4/ 3 among adults 18-49. Comparably, that put retention for Supernatural out of Smallville at 70 percent in viewers and 74 percent among adults 18-49 (not terrible given it faces Grey’s Anatomy and CSI).
Hi Marc...I am new to this forum and I love it. I have a question..are you sure those the right fast national numbers for the CW's Supernatural? They seem to be really low and in your Daily Programmer Insider, you mentioned that SN got 2.5/4 in household's and the OC got 2.3/3 in households, but the numbers per viewers is lower for SN than the OC. Can you help me understand this..please!! I am starting to worry about Supernatural now. Thank you very much!
And then I asked this...
Don't worry about Supernatural. The CW has bigger problems right now. Here is the breakdown:
Viewers: 3.31 million, A18-49: 1.4/ 4
Viewers: 3.00 million, A18-49: 1.3/ 3
Originally posted by wenart25:
Thanks Marc...can you give me a breakdown for the hour of SN? Like the first 30 minutes and then the last 30 minutes? And do these ratings for SN bode ill for the show? I am just a little worried about it. These are the lowest numbers it has had this season. Is SN in trouble? Thank you very much.
So he does not seem to worry about SN!
|Posted by: theratwhispers Nov 10 2006, 05:48 PM|
| What markets had Basketball games on? Or the ilk? Cause if some markets were carrying sports instead it might account for this.
But it looks like No Exit wounded the show. O_o; I hope one bad episode won't hurt the show this bad.
|Posted by: lambforever Nov 10 2006, 05:51 PM|
|I know he says not to worry but I am concerned although if they can order more episodes for VM then they better not cancel SN.|
|Posted by: theratwhispers Nov 10 2006, 05:53 PM|
Supernatural is in no danger, as long as there is a bounce back next week. Though--it is confirmed that Veronica Mars is getting 3 more episodes ordered, and it's been staying in the tank.
|Posted by: galveston Nov 10 2006, 05:56 PM|
Now I get it. That's right. College basketball has started in earnest this week. In Oklahoma City, SN got preempted three times on WB last season. There was no guarantee with CW that local affiliates couldn't preempt. Many of them switched over from WB. Why wouldn't they still preempt? I had two friends who e-mailed me bitching that SN had gotten preempted for some "local sports thing."
We got round balled, kids. The smaller markets preempt for sports all the time. It's all starting to make sense. Oklahoma State starts tonight.
|Posted by: Supernaturally Obsessed Nov 10 2006, 05:58 PM|
|So we lost viewers in the second half hour?|
|Posted by: theratwhispers Nov 10 2006, 05:58 PM|
We need to figure who got blacked out because of sports.
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 10 2006, 05:59 PM|
| I know we have a full 22 episode order
I am thinking this is beginning of too much competition as said on another board. It's bound to wipe out some shows.
There was also a big ESPN Basketball game last night which could have effected the ratings.
It seems like everything was down across the board last night
"Maybe everything was down because a lot of people were watching the ESPN game Rutgers v. Louisville. I know I was watching it. The outcome had huge ramifications on the BCS national championship, so I'm sure other people outside of the two cities were watching it as well. " This came from Zap2it.
So maybe the basketball game played a huge effect in the ratings.
|Posted by: wenart25 Nov 10 2006, 05:59 PM|
| Looks like it...I have no idea why anyone would turn out on that episode. It was really good!!!
|Posted by: kittsbud Nov 10 2006, 06:03 PM|
| Is SN repeated this Sunday in the US? Maybe peeps decided they could have their cake and eat it, if so...
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 10 2006, 06:04 PM|
Well that sucks, but you know what? It might actually be good. It's not that viewers tuned out, it's the fact that they were tuned out by the station. I hope the CW takes that into account.
|Posted by: kimmyc916 Nov 10 2006, 06:06 PM|
I know that EVERYONE in my apartment building was watching that game....although we are in Kentucky, so I'm sure that had a lot to do with it....but you could hear every TV tuned into ESPN. I doubt all of them watch SN, but whatever they normally watch on Thursday night, they were watching sports instead (heck, even I flipped over once or twice to check the scores, but only during the commericials).
And the ratings drop doesn't bother me too much since we did the same thing last year. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't our ratings dip after Route 666 last season, and Bugs? Both times, the next episodes were good if not great, but the ratings were still poor. They did, however, go back up the next week. Plus, right now, I don't see the CW having anything to replace SN with even if they wanted to--at least not before next season--and even then with 7th Heaven, GG, and SV all starting to draw to a close, they need some established shows to keep things going and act as lead ins for any new shows.
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 10 2006, 06:06 PM|
You know that is a possibility to Kitts, the repeats hurt us last season and are hurting us again as well.
Ever since they started to repeat them the numbers have been lower.
I think were getting another repeat as well this week?
|Posted by: wenart25 Nov 10 2006, 06:06 PM|
No..it is going to be SV that is being repeated this week on Sunday. That could have been a problem too. Viewers thinking that SN would be repeated on Sunday and would wait to watch it them. Won't that be a suprise to them...tuning into watch SN, only to find out that SV is on. Well..many people missed a wonderful episode!! That is all I have to say!!!
|Posted by: lambforever Nov 10 2006, 06:07 PM|
| I have to hope that the CW will not hold a badly rated episode against SN given they could not have possibly thrown more comp at SN and SV was down too. I knew when the oc came back it would effect us. I am hoping next week will be better I hope Kripke will relize what No Exit did to the ratings and not repete that trend. I hope Basket ball was part of the reason.
I am not seeing what else they could put after SV that will do any better then SN. plus we did well in demo's and if VM can get more episodes we schould be able to keep our 22.
I am trying hard to see positives. I just hope NE did not set a trend for things to come.
|Posted by: galveston Nov 10 2006, 06:09 PM|
|I'm telling you, the Roadhouse is gone.|
|Posted by: theratwhispers Nov 10 2006, 06:11 PM|
Yup, your more than right.
Jo and the whole gang is GONE. I think the drop from last week to this week, just put the nail in the coffin. It's the end of the roadhouse.
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 10 2006, 06:12 PM|
Yeah, but let's just hope it didn't kill any fandom while it was on. I swear that was the worst episode and I've loved all of them before that one. I loved TUS and know the next episodes are going to be great.
Well, let's hope the OC tanks, and SN can hopefully pick back up the fans that weren't very thrilled with NE.
I do believe that the game had a lot to do with us losing the viewers in the second half. And I'm still hoping the numbers are wrong, but, that's just my unreasonable optimism working
|Posted by: theratwhispers Nov 10 2006, 06:15 PM|
|Marc didn't seem to worried. All he did say, was for The O.C. residents to get packing. If The O.C. is cancelled, I suspect Supernatural's ratings will go back up.|
|Posted by: wenart25 Nov 10 2006, 06:17 PM|
| Ok..the one thing that I have noticed is that...Marc Berman has never called SN a loser in his column, which I love. I mean our numbers were lower than the OC's, but the OC is being called a loser!! This is just me trying to stay positive about all of this! ALL IS NOT LOST!!!! WE WILL BOUNCE BACK!!
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 10 2006, 06:22 PM|
You know for once I will agree with you on this.
The Roadhouse is gone and I just hope we can get the viewers back.
I agree after re-watching "No Exit" I can see where the viewers left.
Let's hope we never see them again and we get back to the staple of the show.
|Posted by: lilswimnchic13 Nov 10 2006, 06:23 PM|
|Does anyone know what the average ratings were for season 1?|
|Posted by: lambforever Nov 10 2006, 06:24 PM|
| I hope we bounce back b/c next week is our last new episode Before Sweeps and it has to do better. I am trying to be a bit optimstic but I love this show and do not want it gone. I am just glade people site it is doing ok b/c no show out there has a worse time slot then us.
I only hope the oc does awsome next wends so SN can have a break but with Scrubs comming too I fear our demo's cannot take anynore hits.
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 10 2006, 06:26 PM|
| I wouldn't worry about Scrubs, they have never been a ratings grabber.
Also paired with 30Rock which isn't doing well at all.
I think this might help us because DOND is gone!
|Posted by: lambforever Nov 10 2006, 06:28 PM|
As much as I hate the roadhouse and want them gone can we soley blame them for the drop in ratings b/c it seems we where doing well the first half hour then we droped alot the second half hour maybey people did not like the episode it's self?
I hope this means the end of the roadhouse but I am not sure Kripke will blame them for the ratings and get rid of them.
|Posted by: theratwhispers Nov 10 2006, 06:30 PM|
| FYI: Rob, the creator of Veronica Mars is sure they are about to get their back nine, if that is true, Supernatural is in NO DANGER.
Rob speaks out here:
|Posted by: TweedleDuh Nov 10 2006, 06:31 PM|
|they are playing the OC on Myspace before it airs... that might be hurting their ratings... Also They played a new epi for the OC on wednesday.. do you think they are thinking of moving? testing the show on wednesday nights? Would be nice to get rid of him in our time slot... i'd like to get rid of freakin Grey's too. I wonder if they moved Smallville and Supernatural to a wednesday night (Where Idol would be their biggest competition and they are only on in half of SN's season AND when they first start its about a half hour results show.)|
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 10 2006, 06:31 PM|
Well the thing is, we started out lower than last week. 3.38 vs 3.31 of this week first 1/2 hour, so yeah, NE can be faulted. Plus, the basketball game might have drawn even more people away. And if I'm not mistaken, wasn't the show also preempted for the game is some areas?
|Posted by: akin Nov 10 2006, 06:32 PM|
|I don't understand why the hell is CW pushing us into the killer slot. They could put there any s*** they have, because there is no chance CW ould get that night. So WHY are they yet pushing somebody (US!) there? Why not give SV and SN a special night e.g. wednesday. The thursday night is lost anyway, so why the blind (useless) struggle? this is so frustrating me!|
|Posted by: lambforever Nov 10 2006, 06:33 PM|
|I really hope so If they can renew VM with it's ratings SN schould be ok I am getting the feeling the CW does not have many midseason shows. Let's just hope VM does not strart beating us too I would hate to be the lowest rated of the 3.|
|Posted by: TweedleDuh Nov 10 2006, 06:33 PM|
i think they kept it there because Supernaturals one of their most popular... they figured it could hack it.. and it is... only it would be a lot of help if it didn't have those others to fight against
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 10 2006, 06:34 PM|
Because seriously I think if they did that their Thursday night ratings would really plummet. As it is, SN and SV are pretty much keeping their heads above water on Thursdays. It's a killer night, I seriously doubt any other CW show can do better, but I'm betting they'll do worse.
|Posted by: akin Nov 10 2006, 06:39 PM|
But what's the point to keep just barely above the surface and thread the water if they could steal another whole night for them? Thursday is more or less lost to them anyway, all they achieve is kill of two good shows.
|Posted by: WinchesterSweetie Nov 10 2006, 06:42 PM|
Ratings are PERCENTS
before you get all freaked out or confused about how OTH's numbers could possibly be higher than SN's, you have to know that it depends on how many people were watching TV that night.
IF a show receives a 2.5/4, 4% of all people watching TV were watching a show and 2.5% of all households with TVs in America were watching that show. If more people were watching TV during a certain timeslot, like Thursday at 9, a lower household rating (the second number) could still mean the viewership was greater than a same household rating on another night. make sense?
If you get ratings from The Futon Critic, you'll notice their message in the right column:
Ratings are percentages NOT flat numbers.
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 10 2006, 06:46 PM|
I know what you are saying, but Thursday nights are crucial nights. They're the ones that the advertisers want most. It's the night of the week most fought over because it's the most important. And that's why CW would put shows that it knows can deliver on that night than other nights. We may not be on top for Thursdays, but the fact that we do show something for such a brutal night speaks volumes to advertisers. It's all about money.
|Posted by: theratwhispers Nov 10 2006, 06:47 PM|
| Yeah, ratings are percents and I forget that. ;
It's so confusing.
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 10 2006, 06:49 PM|
| Also I asked Marc and he said there is no chance of them moving SV and SN it looks like they are staying where they are for now.
So if the CW was worried about Thursday nights they would have been thinking of moving SV and SN. but they aren't.
Also next week should help us out some, because Scrubs and 30Rock are not that big of ratings grabbers. Meaning we don't have Deal or No deal to face.
|Posted by: lambforever Nov 10 2006, 06:51 PM|
Did he say if they are keeping Thurs in tact midseason b/c the OC only got 16 episode pickup and many are saying fox would be smart to move it to Wends with AI as the lead in I just want them to relive some of SN comp not add to it?
|Posted by: wenart25 Nov 10 2006, 06:55 PM|
| At least SN is the only 9pm show on the CW at the moment that has not dipped below the 3 million mark! To me, that is saying something!!
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 10 2006, 06:57 PM|
That says a lot, but isn't OTH on at nine? and they're over 3 mil. Well they are till AI comes back in January anyway.
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 10 2006, 06:59 PM|
| sometimes hermitme, it depends there have been a couple of weeks where they dipped below the 3 million mark.
RIght now they have no competition either like we do. If they were on Thursday Night they would die!
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 10 2006, 07:03 PM|
They and most other CW shows. That's why I really think that SN is ok. It's critically acclaimed, it's on a brutal night with not only CSI and GA to compete against but also any games that are playing, it's not picked up all over the place like the big three and has less connections than FOX. So, yeah, it's numbers aren't double digit, but it does retain 70%+ of SV viewers. especially in the 18-49 demo, and so, we're really not so bad. I think the CW's little red-headed step-child is delivering a heck of a lot better than its other children.
|Posted by: theratwhispers Nov 10 2006, 07:05 PM|
| One Tree Hill has dipped below 2.9 million many times. And on top of that, it looks like The CW has ordered more episodes of it--so, if that's the case, Supernatural is in no danger, one badly rated episode isn't going to change anything. They look at the ratings over all. (There were a few low rated episodes last season...that hit about this number...)
Also, Smallville's ratings dipped as well.
Alot of games air on Thursday night--and some people have said they didn't get SPN last night, they got some local basketball game.
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 10 2006, 07:06 PM|
| hermitme- I am hoping once final numbers are in we ticked up some..
And yes Marc says not to worry nothing else The CW has would do well on Thursday Night and they won't be moving them anytime soon.
And everyone says that it's in one of the most brutal time slots there is and holding it's own.
ETA- theratwhispers, I may have disagreed with you before on stuff, but now I see I should have listened. You were right all along about the Roadhouse. I hate to admit when I was wrong. So I am apologizing for anything I might have said in the past. Next time I will learn to listen on some things lol
|Posted by: theratwhispers Nov 10 2006, 07:13 PM|
No problem. People disagree, it's normal, spice of life and all that jazz. I knew from the writing that this new girl character was plugged in, and it did not fit the audience that the show had already built, it just didn't fit.
Marc Berman said a long while ago, that Supernatural was ONLY expected to hold on to most of Smallville's veiwers, if that's the case, we are doing fine:
From TWOP Ratings thread:
Total Viewers: 70%
Adults 18-49: 74%
That's about on par with how it has been.
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 10 2006, 07:16 PM|
Yeah, but I would so like to see this show be able to become independent and maybe become a lead in. It's a great little show and all it needs is better advertising. But, I do agree, in spite of everything, it is holding its own against the worst of the worst.
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 10 2006, 07:18 PM|
| Yeah people disagree all time it's human nature. But once in a while I do need to learn to listen what the people have to say.
What do you mean by plugged in character? Like tacted on where they didn't need one?
We actually did better than last week with retention rate and we were lower, go figure.
Everything was down across the board last night, so maybe it's too much competition on one night?
I think if we get back to the show's focus of 2 brothers and no more guest stars people will start tuning in again.
I also have a feeling that the final numbers will tick up some!
|Posted by: theratwhispers Nov 10 2006, 07:21 PM|
It's holding on, despite everything else. I'd also like it to be strong enough to be a lead in... I think all of us would. Hopefully Supernatural can build on word of mouth....Smallville, Gilmore Girls and 7th Heaven are at the end of their ropes--they need some staple shows to hold the network down.
Go to livejournal and check out winchestertimes,
us fans are trying to help build more viewers in our own way.
I really think DVD sales could help. O_o;
Giving Supernatural DVDs up for donations and to charitys for Christmas--might get some new veiwers somehow. Heh...
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 10 2006, 07:23 PM|
Damn, that's a good idea, but... I can't afford that
I could barely afford mine.
|Posted by: theratwhispers Nov 10 2006, 07:26 PM|
A plugged in character is a character that is either:
a) a loose character, created to be a love interest or the ilk, that has to have the plot built in around him/her, cause she/he doesn't fit in the first place--they have to be plugged in
B) a character added by the suits in an attempt to garner a certain demographic
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 10 2006, 07:28 PM|
Okay now see that makes sense, I totally get what your saying.
Hmmm it does make me wonder.
As I said before if they go back to focusing on Sam and Dean I do believe we will see the viewers again.
Like next weeks looks good.
It's just them well them and the demon chick
|Posted by: lambforever Nov 10 2006, 07:29 PM|
Given fan reaction and ratings I hope that is enough to convince Kripke that the roadhouse and the roadcrew are just not working and get rid of them.
BTW The office is an 1hr and half next week and is a new episode followed by 30 rock. At least we do not have to comp against Scrubs but is the Office something to worry about?
|Posted by: Supernaturally Obsessed Nov 10 2006, 07:30 PM|
|We also need to remember this, there are still some markets that don't even get the CW that get FOX CBS NBC and ABC and we are still bringing in decent numbers in the most competitive time slot of the week.|
|Posted by: theratwhispers Nov 10 2006, 07:32 PM|
True. O_O The CW isn't in all markets.
P.S. Does anyone know how Supernatural's DVD sales are doing?
|Posted by: lambforever Nov 10 2006, 07:33 PM|
Unlike Veronica Mars and OTH SN was getting around 4-5 mil in it's tues Timeslot and is one of the few shows capaible enough to be a lead in. Without ATM and GG I am not sure how VM or OTH would do. SN just needs a better time slot.
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 10 2006, 07:34 PM|
You have a point I do believe they will scrap the Roadhouse idea, which is a shame. It was a nice conecpt that just didn't work out.
Also no we don't have to worry about The Office or 30Rock Neither are really the ratings grabber that Friends/Will and Grace were a couple of years ago.
No need to worry I am sure we will benefit some
ETA- I am sure that if SN moved to 8pm you can bet we would be kicking some ass in the ratings.
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 10 2006, 07:38 PM|
Not sure. I know that when it first came out, one poster noted it hit #9 on Amazon.com sales list. I know that when I go into stores, I can't find it anymore. I don't know if it's because it was such a hot seller that they can't keep it shelved, or if it's because it doesn't have the followers that the other big shows have so they don't keep it stocked.
|Posted by: lambforever Nov 10 2006, 07:38 PM|
I don't think 30 rock and the office go after the same demo's as SN and SV plus with DOND gone that will be less comp to deal with ratings wise.
|Posted by: theratwhispers Nov 10 2006, 07:39 PM|
|Supernatural would be doing much better in a different timeslot, but given what The CW has to offer (sans Top Model, all of it below 5 million, the larger portion under 4 million); I'd say anything they'd put on Thursday nights would get creamed. It's a no win situation and I think they know that.|
|Posted by: Poseidon Nov 10 2006, 07:59 PM|
| On Amazon.com Supernatural Season 1 DVD is ranked at #59 for television series. Don't know about other sites though.
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 10 2006, 08:07 PM|
I know during its first week I saw it rank at # 15, and another poster saw it rank at # 9, so I'm thinking the major sales happened then.
ETA: plus, since it doesn't seem that all stores carry it, it might also account for that ranking. But it's still in the top 60 and that's always good.
|Posted by: theratwhispers Nov 10 2006, 08:12 PM|
Ah! I get the ratings weirdness now. Now that my brain is firing up.
We beat The O.C. in larger markets. (In the Metered Markets.)
But we did not beat them in the Fast Nationals. (In the overall.)
Our veiwership was lower, but we got a much larger chunk of the big markets than The O.C. did.
Those are two completely different sets of ratings.
|Posted by: jaredfan Nov 10 2006, 08:20 PM|
I've got a headache
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 10 2006, 08:22 PM|
me and you both
|Posted by: theratwhispers Nov 10 2006, 08:27 PM|
The Metered Markets are just the big cities; LA, Chicago, New York etc.
The Fast Nationals is all over the place.
FYI: The Metered Markets are worth more to advertisers. They contain a larger amount of the 18-34 demo that they want.
At least that's how I figure it out.
It is very confusing.
There are different markets and different ratings sets.
|Posted by: Supernaturally Obsessed Nov 10 2006, 08:28 PM|
|I don't know why I try to figure it out, I just end up like this......|
|Posted by: theratwhispers Nov 10 2006, 08:29 PM|
| Well as long as the show stays on the air....lets leave it at that. Heh.
I think I've killed enough of my brain trying to figure this out.
|Posted by: kimmyc916 Nov 10 2006, 08:31 PM|
| Ok.....so I'm a nerd, and I had way too much time on my hands today at work, so all this ratings talk inspired me to do what I do best and Make A Graph. I took the ratings for 7 CW shows (I didn't include Smackdown or the Monday Comedies) and graphed them for the first 7 weeks of the season. I started with ANTM's premier week (Week 0) and went through last week (Week 6). VM started a week later, so she only has five data points. (BTW, the numbers came from a post in another thread by April)
If you look at the graph, you can see that the trends from week to week are almost identical for every show across the board. The numbers all go up and down together. The only exception is GG which seems to move in the opposite direction, and the numbers for 7th Heaven when it moved from Monday to Sunday.
The trend for SN is almost identical to the ones for SV and OTH as well as VM.
Make of it what you will, but this is the data. It will be interesting to see what happens with this week's numbers.
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 10 2006, 08:34 PM|
Did we mention how much we love nerds?
|Posted by: theratwhispers Nov 10 2006, 08:34 PM|
|I'd like to know why so many people watch Top Model, hah. It's crazy.|
|Posted by: kimmyc916 Nov 10 2006, 08:36 PM|
That's good, because that is totally what I am.....plus things just make more sense to me when they are all graphed out. It must be the science part of my brain.
|Posted by: wpchica36 Nov 10 2006, 08:41 PM|
Thanks for being a nerd and making the graph . It all makes a little bit more sense now.
I have to say that I am disappointed that the ratings weren't better. I was hoping that there would be a spike in ratings because Linda Blair was on. Oh well, I guess we just need to keep pushing on, and keep getting friends and family to watch our little show.
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 10 2006, 09:08 PM|
| Found these on Zap2it
"Smallville" - 4.5 million, A18-49: 1.9
"Supernatural" - 3.2 million, A18-49: 1.4
Okay so the fact we ticked up a little helps makes me feel better. These come from Variety.
Maybe when Finals come in we will be a little higher than that.
71% to 75% retention rate is not bad. Damn Smallvill for dipping.
|Posted by: kimmyc916 Nov 10 2006, 09:09 PM|
| Actually, this graph shows it better. I figured out the week-to-week changes in total number of viewers for each show, and you can see that we are pretty much dead on with ever other show on the CW--including ANTM--when you look at just the raw change. We don't change any more or any less that anyone else. Also, I didn't include 7th Heaven on this graph because it's numbers were wacky due to the switch from Monday to Sunday, so that's why it's not here.
In fact, now that I look at this thing again, it looks like last week we didn't drop as many viewers as GG or VM....and GG is on a two week slide after being pretty steady for the first four episodes.
Reminder--this only covers up to No Exit....this doesn't include any numbers for this week.
|Posted by: Anneabell Nov 10 2006, 09:47 PM|
| I think people should stop looking at ratings haha... we are gonna have a whole bunch of cases of high blood pressure on our hands! We'll all have to be running to Gray's for help and we don't wanna do that!
Supernatural is gonna be okay... I am pretty sure of it!
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 10 2006, 09:52 PM|
| Well just to add this for everyone
ABC was the top-rated network in the key demo Thursday, an evening when overall prime-time viewing was down from the previous week.
According to Nielsen Media Research, prime-time viewership levels were down 4 percent from last Thursday. As a result, several top-rated shows had unusually low viewership numbers.
So see it just wasn't our show all shows had a slight dip in the ratings.
|Posted by: Oceane Nov 10 2006, 10:02 PM|
| When I saw the numbers, that made me so sad, yesterday's ep was absolutely fantastic, it was a classic SN ep, I enjoyed it so much. I'm with some of you who said that NE hurted this week rating. I hope that Kripke read the numbers and he'll come to the conclusion that the roadhouse and co was a bad idea and he'll get rid of it or I'm worried we'll never get a third season.
But thanks guys, you always find positive to these numbers. SN wasn't the only show with a lower rating. Fingers crossed for next week
|Posted by: theratwhispers Nov 10 2006, 10:15 PM|
That story should make everyone happy!
The CW is happy with Supernatural, it says we're in The Land of the Giants, lol!
|Posted by: wenart25 Nov 10 2006, 10:26 PM|
| Thanks for posting that!!
It was an interesting read. Good to know that the CW is pleased with the way SN is performing!!
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 10 2006, 10:31 PM|
| Finally something in writing that says THe CW is pleased with SV and SN on Thursday Nights.. This does make me very happy! And that they do know Thursday Nights is the toughest night of competition.
Thank The Gods the CW is happy
|Posted by: theratwhispers Nov 10 2006, 10:39 PM|
| From Tvguide:
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 10 2006, 10:50 PM|
I wouldn't worry about Supernatural. Sure, the numbers aren't stellar, but given that it is "holding its own" so to speak, while up against both Grey's and CSI should be more than enough evidence for the CW to recognize the gem that they have in this show.
Although Ostroff did bump Everwood for 7th Heaven and/or Runaway, so her judgment isn't entirely foolproof.[/B]
Let's hope DO learned something from that. Who else is pleased that Matt called out little show a gem?
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 10 2006, 10:53 PM|
| Even Marc Berman said Supernatural has nothing to worry about
I think we will be fine guys
Hopefully next year they put it somewhere else.
|Posted by: theratwhispers Nov 10 2006, 10:54 PM|
Erm, Posted by Rodyssey. Not Matt. XD;; Matt hasn't responded yet.
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 10 2006, 10:59 PM|
|ooops, sorry about that. Still good answer.|
|Posted by: hvstmn247 Nov 10 2006, 11:04 PM|
| I agree and Dawn Ostroff must have some faith in the show to keep both SV and SN together on Thurs plus she has commented on the comp SN has faced and still done well in demo's. Plus SN and VM are both critical darlings.
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 10 2006, 11:32 PM|
Good point. But then again, so was Everwood. Still, I think the tough night and the fact that SN keeps getting pretty much consistant ratings does say a lot .
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 10 2006, 11:35 PM|
| Right hermitme: Also they know the viewers are out there probably recording the show. Because of the Large Numbers we got for the season opener.
I think were going to be fine
|Posted by: immie_8 Nov 11 2006, 02:44 AM|
|GA, CSI and now college basketball...sheesh, our show never seems to catch a break!!! I'm still not too worried, though, like all of you said SN is a critical darling and really, with the time slot its in, it's holding its own where many other shows would probably have tanked!|
|Posted by: SNnat17 Nov 11 2006, 03:18 AM|
| um guys college basketball hasnt started yet its the NBA haha...so yeah i just thought i should let you know....
but i was going through some of the posts here and im not worried about Supernatural at all...i think were doing good!
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 11 2006, 03:30 AM|
| College Basketball regular Basketball it's all the same thing LOL They preempted SN to show regular Basketball. Next it will be College basketball.
They need to stop preempting SN lol
|Posted by: galveston Nov 11 2006, 03:35 AM|
| College basketball most certainly has started. I'm sitting here in Oklahoma City watching the Oklahoma State Cowboys play the second half of their game against Florida Atlantic on our local CW affiliate. Friday Night Smackdown was preempted for it.
|Posted by: SNnat17 Nov 11 2006, 03:40 AM|
| well either college basketball or the NBA they play like every day or every other day not only thursdays so yeah...
sorry if im sounding bitchy but im kinda tired from driving around the whole day....
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 11 2006, 03:45 AM|
| Basketball is all the same big men dribbling a stinking little ball on the court LOL
Who cares lol It still preempted SN lol
Heheheh No Nat you are not being bitchy
|Posted by: SNnat17 Nov 11 2006, 03:53 AM|
|well im a basketball player and have been since im 12 well even though i kinda "retired" for medical reasons and my family is big on basketball so yeah....not to sound mean but please dont insult|
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 11 2006, 04:15 AM|
| Sorry didn't mean to insult, I just can't stand the sport. And your not being mean!
I love Football and Hockey though.
Anyhow back to the ratings.
SN has nothing worry about.
|Posted by: immie_8 Nov 11 2006, 11:24 AM|
| So, I"ve been reading the previous posts and from what I've read SN beat the OC in the Metered Markets but got beat out in Fast Nationals. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Call me crazy, but I actually am seeing a bit of a positive here. From what I've read CW isn't in all households yet and this week was preempted by basketball in some of the smaller markets, but in markets where both FOX and CW exist and normal programming was aired on Thursdays, given a choice people are choosing to watch SN over the OC. My assumptions here are that in the Metered Markets both FOX and CW exist in virtually every household and air the usual programs (i.e. no sports preempting). Therefore, for a more even playing field, aren't the Metered Markets might actually be a better place to compare how SN is doing vs. the OC? Again someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Therefore, I think that despite what seems like a drop, we are actually doing quite well. Like you all have said, this is a brutal timeslot and SN is holding its own...I am very proud of our show and can't wait until next week!!!
P.S. Anyone figured out which markets got preempted by sports, yet? (I can't remember who originally asked this question...)
|Posted by: immie_8 Nov 11 2006, 11:31 AM|
| Just thought that I'd let everybody know that according to TV.com, CW has extended BOTH VM and OTH for another three episodes. The link to the article is below.
|Posted by: irismay42 Nov 11 2006, 03:37 PM|
|I read on one of the other threads somewhere that Dawn Ostroff and the CW is launching some SN merchandise in the summer... I think if she was worried about the show's ratings, or didn't consider it worthy of a third season renewal, then surely she wouldn't be planning merchandise for a 'dead' or 'dying' show? I would have thought this is why there hasn't been any merchandise up until now... Maybe the CW were waiting to see how the show performed in S2??|
|Posted by: theratwhispers Nov 11 2006, 03:57 PM|
Forward me to the news story or whatnot. I'm interested in reading this discovery. I know there was mention of Supernatural Comics that follow Papa Winchester and the Wee!Winchesters coming out.
|Posted by: galveston Nov 11 2006, 05:11 PM|
|I've been looking forward to next week's episode all season long. I just found out that it's being preempted in Oklahoma City for University of Oklahoma basketball. Number 44 market in the country. Replays on Saturday. That's a big zero for this market kids. We'd better get used to those lower numbers. They could air it on Mynetworktv, the old UPN affiliate, but no. They're keeping the contract with the old WB channel, our CW affiliate.|
|Posted by: lambforever Nov 11 2006, 05:16 PM|
Dammit it is always something. Why do they keep trowing more stuff at Supernatural? Esp when we only have 2 more new episodes before next year.
|Posted by: immie_8 Nov 11 2006, 05:26 PM|
My thoughts exactly...seems like we can never catch a break!!!
|Posted by: galveston Nov 12 2006, 03:57 AM|
1.9/3 HH share.
3.19 million viewers, to squeak by Everybody Hates Chris' final of 3.18 million.
1.4/3 18-49 demographic.
1.4/3 25-54 demographic
|Posted by: wenart25 Nov 12 2006, 04:06 AM|
| Well...I think that despite everything..that is good news!!! Thanks for posting that Galveston!!!
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 12 2006, 04:10 AM|
| Thanks Galveston,
But still it's not that bad, with all the preemptions it could have been worse. At least we now have a reason for such low numbers. Even Smallville took a beating as well.
I notice that when Smallville goes down so do we. Anyone else notice that?
|Posted by: wenart25 Nov 12 2006, 04:12 AM|
| Yep.. I sure did and find that very interesting to say the least!!
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 12 2006, 04:17 AM|
| We still held over 72% of Smallville's lead in so that isn't so bad. Yeah the demo's were a bit low, but then again so were Smallville's..
This was the lowest rated episode for Smallville as well.
Next week we should see an increase somewhat. Positive Happy thoughts here people...
|Posted by: galveston Nov 12 2006, 04:19 AM|
| I'm trying. If this Thursday's episode weren't preempted in Oklahoma City I wouldn't have quite such a snarl on my face. Sob.
Yes, the retention rates were good. That's something to be thankful for. You're welcome, Wenart honey.
|Posted by: clois4ever Nov 12 2006, 04:25 AM|
|I hope the cw is aware of all the premting of SN for some fans. B/c all things considered it did well and beat out EHC and VM in the ratings.|
|Posted by: immie_8 Nov 12 2006, 10:44 AM|
I hope that the CW is aware of this fact, too. ITA that SN is doing quite well all things considered.
|Posted by: SupernaturalFan06 Nov 12 2006, 11:44 PM|
|Does anyone know where Supernatural fell in order of CW shows this week? I know ANTM, SV and WWE are usually ahead of it.|
|Posted by: galveston Nov 13 2006, 12:09 AM|
| We won't know for sure until we get the finals for 7th Heaven tonight. The tv weeks run from Monday to Sunday. However, this is how the shows have fallen up till now this week. Final ratings courtesy of sitcomsonline.com
The CW Final Ratings for 11/6-11/12 excluding 7th Heaven
America's Next Top Model 5.37 million 2.6 (18-49 demographic)
Smallville 4.46 million 1.9 demo
Gilmore Girls 4.34 million 1.9 demo
Smackdown 4.34 million 1.4 demo
One Tree Hill 3.56 million 1.6 demo
Supernatural 3.19 million 1.4 demo
Everybody Hates Chris 3.18 million 1.3 demo
Girlfriends 2.92 million 1.4 demo
The Game 2.86 million 1.3 demo
Veronica Mars 2.75 million 1.3 demo
All of Us 2.75 million 1.2 demo
If 7th Heaven performs like it did for last week's final rating--it will get 3.85 million 1.4 demo.
|Posted by: wenart25 Nov 13 2006, 12:13 AM|
| Ok..not to sound dumb, but how are the demos counted? I was just wondering because I noticed that both GG and FNS has the same amount of viewers...but GG demos were higher than FNS. Could someone explain this to me?
|Posted by: galveston Nov 13 2006, 12:20 AM|
| The demos are counted just like the HH percentages. All the demos actually have share numbers behind them, just like the rating. For instance, Supernatural got a 1.9/3 household rating. 1.9 percent of all households in the United States were tuned in. 3 percent (audience share) of households who actually had their televisions on at the time were tuned in to Supernatural.
A demo works exactly the same way. Nielsen always collects the ages and genders of its participants and their family members. Each person who watched is recorded, either by a button on the box itself or in a diary. Nielsen calculates it all out. Supernatural had a 1.4/3 demo in the 18-49 demo. 1.4 percent of all people in the US between 18-49 watched Supernatural. 3 percent of all 18 to 49 year olds who happened to be watching television at the time were watching Supernatural. The share number (the number after the slash) doesn't have to be the same as the HH share number.
A show with the same HH percentage as another can have a different demo, and higher viewer number, depending on how many people in the home are watching. The more the better according to the network. A higher 18-49 demo is also considered beneficial, because the advertisers can charge a little more for them.
That's not dumb. Someone had to explain it to me, too.
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 13 2006, 12:22 AM|
| It's all so confusing to me, I say that Nielsen is out dated. How hard is it for them to put a switch on all DVR's or cable box. 90% households have a dvr or cable box of somekind.
This way everyone is counted not just a small portion of Nielsen people who have no taste in television.
|Posted by: wenart25 Nov 13 2006, 12:23 AM|
| Thank you so much for explaining that to me Galveston. Now I understand!
|Posted by: galveston Nov 13 2006, 12:24 AM|
|You're very welcome.|
|Posted by: WinchesterSweetie Nov 13 2006, 02:05 AM|
I'm planning to do my "senior exit" project on how biased TV ratings are. 6 pages of complaining about Nielsen? No problem.
|Posted by: Dean5339 Nov 13 2006, 02:58 AM|
Use a 'quote' from Robin Williams: note, not direct quote.
'Nielson ratings don't mean shit. For years it said that Mash was one of the most watched programs on television... but, did anyone ever walk up to you on the street and ask 'Hey, what did you think of MASH the other night'"?
And guys, remember, we are still one of the CW's top actual shows. With the CW building us up as a flagship this summer. With SV and possibly GG soon gone. The CW needs it's top shows. And SN is one of the top actual shows. So on that front, all is good.
What you guys SHOULD worry about is the network itself. Because once SN and GG are gone, out of the actual shows- could we really carry the network all by itself? This should be the point of concern: CW getting into more households and bringing in new hit shows.
|Posted by: wenart25 Nov 13 2006, 02:59 AM|
| That is freakin hilarious!!! Thanks for that Dean!!!
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 13 2006, 03:19 AM|
| Dean has a point, I mean I do believe in watching Smallville this season will be the last. Everything up to this point in the episode has been leading me to believe it is near the end.
Their focus on the Green Aarow leads me to believe they are thinking of a SV spinoff, which hell I woud totally watch The Green Aarow as long as they keep the same guy. Me loves some Oliver Quinn
Gilmore Girls is for sure gone this season, and the way they have lost viewership and respect for it's viewers by pushing Loreali and Chris (gag) and screwing poor Luke over, and the fact that two of it's main cast members don't want to come back.
There really isn't another show that could be a flagship other than Supernatural. If given a decent time slot I bet it will pull in the ratings like Smallville does.
I am sure OTH will be gone as well as 7th Heaven So what's really left, as a staple? VM? will that even make it to another season I doubt it. I think 13 and the number is up.
Not Counting Reality TV shows, they don't have a whole lot of offerings on the table.
Beauty and The Geek
And the Comedies of course
That is it unless Hidden Palms takes off, I don't see a whole lot of choices.
Sure they could keep Smallville one more season, but why would they? It's time for SV and GG to go. OTH and VM are done as well as 7th Heaven.
|Posted by: wenart25 Nov 13 2006, 03:26 AM|
| Yep..I agree with Dean and April on this.
OTH and VM are done. Sorry...but even though they were both given 3 additional episode script orders...that really does not say a lot for either of them.
7th Heaven is finished after this season.
SV is on its last leg I think.
GG is done after this season. Neither one of the leads wants it to continue after this season.
SN is a staple for the network and I hope they finally realize it.
|Posted by: WinchesterSweetie Nov 13 2006, 03:49 AM|
Though I doubt it gets past my bitchy english teacher and the panel that will be judging me... it will so be worth a shot.
Okay wait think about this for a sec...
CW doesn't have that many shows to fill empty timeslots if it cancels everything its got. (That's a funny thought though ) As much as OTH deserves to end and as much as I hate it for representing everything that is cliched about TV it's not pulling in terribly low numbers. What will they replace it with? Another repeat of ANTM? (Actually that sounds pretty smart)
VM... it's a wonderful show that deserves to have as many seasons as possible. Ostroff knows this, it's her little gem. Seeing as she didn't cancel it back when it was on UPN, I dunno if she'll be ready to admit its failure on CW.
SV is on its final leg.... but if everything on CW continues bombing like it currently is, they'll probably want to keep SV around longer. Its numbers are good this season, probably on par with or better than what it got on The WB. Why get rid of it? The show may be nearing a creative declivity.... but then so did 7th Heaven 11 years ago.
7th Heaven - for a show that was supposed to end forever in May and got a 13-episode order maxed out to 22 episodes.... how the hell do you kill this thing? We say there's no way CW will keep this bore for another year.... but they already did it once.
GG is the only one I can think is absolutely finished. Once Lauren Graham and Alexis Bledel check out, they're not gonna suddenly drop the "s" on "Girls" and make it all about Grandma and her D.A.R. group.
Like Dean said, CW's real concern is churning out a hit. Something new to define it, like Buffy and Dawson's Creek defined WB. They need to invest their time and money in series that are worthy, not trash like Hidden Palms and The Next PissyCat Doll.
|Posted by: galveston Nov 13 2006, 03:56 AM|
| I wouldn't be so quick to declare OTH done. At OneTreeHill.com they're claiming the show creator himself said they have a full season order. If the pilots bomb again, OTH may be around for a fifth season believe or not. Beggars can't be choosers and that sort of thing.
Sadly, I don't think VM is going to be around for another season. If she's already below 3 million with House, it's only going to get worse when Idol premieres as House's lead in. House always goes through the roof when Idol premieres. Of course, OTH will be head to head with Idol. Its ratings may go through the floor as well.
House's 18-24 demo is extremely high according to MediaLife Magazine. It just pullls those viewers away from Veronica. Supernatural seems to be the only thing with promise that might withstand some competition. Maybe. I'm so scared of what that first number might be the first Thursday back from break. If we can stay above 3 million, cool. I don't want to see the numbers go below that.
GG is absolutely positively finished. Even if Alexis wanted to come back, the network can't afford hers and LG's salaries. It's lost too much money on 7th Heaven.
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 13 2006, 04:09 AM|
| WinchesterSweetie -and Galveston,
There has been no official ruling on OTH. The creator can say all he wants about a full season, fact is they only have 3 additional script orders nothing more than that.
VM and OTH are done after this season, no one on The CW but Dawn wanted VM to begin with. That is why she only has a 13 episode order along with OTH. It was probably one of these types of deals, Sure we will give you VM if you give us OTH. LOL
SV- They could keep it around one more year, but I heard that Michael Rosenbalm (Lex) is pretty much finished.. He wants to go do other things than play Lex for another couple of years. Word has it Tom Welling is also tired of playing Clark. Geez the man is almost in his 30's playing a 20 something. It's time for SV to end! And end while it's on a high note.
GG- Yeah, I say this show is toast
7th Heaven- I am sure they could do a spinoff, in fact I heard something about a Kevin and Lucy spinoff. The only reason they kept it was to 1) Launch a New show which didn't work and B)Ratings. Well the ratings haven't been all that great, and the new show launch failed. So I would say this is the last season...
Here is a list of what The CW has on their plate for script orders... However none of them that I know of have pilot orders. Take a long look at these and tell me if you all see BREAK OUT HIT! Well the only one they were trying to rush this season is Gossip Girl, which sounds retarded. Not sure if it will take off.
Capital City- An ensemble drama that follows a young woman's journey through the congressional landscape.
Ghosts- a drama described as a "young 'Grey's Anatomy' in the FBI." The project chronicles the personal and professional lives of a group of twentysomething operatives who work in the FBI's elite special surveillance group.
Gossip Girl- A drama based on the popular book series, about the world of privileged teenagers attending elite private schools in New York City.
House Of Horrors- hybrid horror/reality series in which competitors try to stay "alive" in a mysterious house in which they must face their darkest fears; said contestants are then eliminated via elaborately staged "deaths" that will mix elements of the reality and horror genres.
N.O.C.- A drama in which a civilian with a highly-specialized skill is recruited into a "Mission: Impossible"-style government agency, letting someone play james bond for a day.
Pretty Little Liars- A drama revolves around four 16-year-old girls - whose fifth best friend went missing two years ago - that suddenly become haunted by messages that appear from her.
Steps- An ensemble drama with comedic elements that's set at a family-run dance studio.
The Good Ship- A drama that revolves around an ensemble of young civilian doctors and their military counterparts on a massive Navy hospital ship that sails to crisis points worldwide to provide medical care. "Ship" is based on the Navy ships the USNS Mercy and USNS Comfort, which were deployed in Indonesia after the 2004 tsunami and off the Gulf Coast after Hurricane Katrina.
The CW has given a put pilot commitment to a one-hour action-comedy from "Veronica Mars" writer-producer Diane Ruggiero. The project, from Warner Bros. TV, is described as "Sex and the City" meets "Batman." It centers on two very different young women and best friends who unite to fight crime after a mysterious event gives them superpowers they can use only when they are together. Ruggiero serves as an executive producer on CW's critically praised teen drama "Veronica Mars." (yeah like this will go well, female superheroes not,and Buffy doesn't count)
|Posted by: adder574 Nov 13 2006, 04:26 AM|
|I must admit The Reaper sounds good. Supernatural would make a good lead in for it. Especially if the CW does decide to make a Green Arrow spin off and pair it with Smallville, if it does last another season.|
|Posted by: galveston Nov 13 2006, 04:35 AM|
|Is "Reaper" still on the table? Freyja doesn't have it listed. Reaper was the only thing I read about that interested me in the slightest.|
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 13 2006, 04:37 AM|
| I took it out because I haven't heard anything since. I had it listed, but edited it.
It could still be on the table but I don't know there has been no word on it.
Right now I hear alot for Gossip Girl than anything else.
|Posted by: clois4ever Nov 13 2006, 04:42 AM|
|I honestly do not care about those other show just as long as Supernatural stays on the air and contiues to do well. I hope it will be moved to a better slot of stay with SV if it sticks around.|
|Posted by: galveston Nov 13 2006, 04:45 AM|
| Privileged, vacuous teenagers. Is that all they've got on pilot order? Seriously? How is the bloody network going to survive? Especially if Hidden Palms bombs, which I think it will. Heck, people don't even know the CW exists. They're going to tune in like crazy to a midseason CW replacement show? We all remember how Pepper Dennis bombed, and the Bedford Diaries was DOA from day one.
They'd better not cancel Supernatural if that's all they've got. Kids will watch shows that aren't entirely about kids. They've got to get off the Dawson's Creek train with this network and keep trying to be "trendy."
|Posted by: adder574 Nov 13 2006, 04:47 AM|
I thought I saw it listed the first time I saw your post. Good to know that I'm not seeing things
|Posted by: clois4ever Nov 13 2006, 04:50 AM|
Galvestan you are kindof worrying me Do you think SN will be cancelled this season even though it got 22 episodes? I mean yeah the ratings where lower but in the death slot with all the pre emting it did well. If OTH and VM can get more episode orders with their ratings I think SN will be able to finish this season. But you have me worried now?
|Posted by: galveston Nov 13 2006, 05:54 AM|
|No, I don't think it will be cancelled. It was more of a precautionary "had better not."|
|Posted by: hvstmn247 Nov 13 2006, 06:04 AM|
|I hope not but the fact that fricking OTH is beating us in ratings makes me super sad this cannot contiue. I took fact that at least we where the higest rated show in the 8:00 hour and I need that to feel better.|
|Posted by: Dean5339 Nov 13 2006, 06:17 AM|
| N.O.C. (sounds like it has potential. Mission:Impossible like? Sweet!!! I love the M:I series. BTW, M:I was a hit TELEVISION series ever before it became a film. I wasn't around at that time, but my dad was and M:I - from what I hear- was great television. So, hell yeah bring back the classics (in a sense))
Green Arrow (could easily replace SV, hell- I hate to admit it but, I'm starting to like GA alot more than CK. He's one cool guy and Hartley (I'm a guy) just rings 'superhero' for some reason. I mean, I bought him first as Aquaman, now as Green Arrow.)
Reaper (this just sounds awesome. You could expect lots of guys turning in to this one.)
And Gavelston- stop worrying- we won't drop below 3 mil. Every series has a 'bump' now and again, but that never brings "doom."
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 13 2006, 01:21 PM|
OHT hasn't had to go against AI yet. Wait till January when AI comes back and see if OTH can keep those numbers first, then start worrying.
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 13 2006, 01:23 PM|
VM has had lower ratings and they've ordered another 3 episodes of it. Right now CW hasn't got much and I doubt it will risk any show on the Thursday night death slot. SN has shown it can keep it's ratings pretty good, despite the killer spot. I wouldn't worry too much.
|Posted by: SupernaturalFan06 Nov 13 2006, 04:57 PM|
The actors are contracted for seven seasons so next year will probably be the last unless the ratings continue to be high, then who knows maybe one more
|Posted by: SupernaturalFan06 Nov 13 2006, 05:23 PM|
|Does anyone know where Supernatural was this week in ranking of CW shows? I dont think it will be very good cause of the decline of Smallville and Supernatural this week. Hopefully both are up again this coming week.|
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 13 2006, 05:28 PM|
| check this for final ratings
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=187352 and I'm not sure about ranking but I think we came in 6th.
Since both SV and SN were down, I wouldn't worry. As far as OTH, I really can't count them yet until they've gone against AI, then I can see how well they do. VM is up against some tough competition with House and her numbers fell, but still 3 more epis were ordered.
|Posted by: april26 Nov 13 2006, 05:31 PM|
Galveston posted it a few pages ago
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 13 2006, 05:42 PM|
|Thanks April. I was looking for it and couldn't find it.|
|Posted by: galveston Nov 13 2006, 05:58 PM|
|Last night's fast nationals for 7th Heaven according to Marc Berman at pifeedback.com are 3.61 million viewers with a 1.4/3 demo in the 18-49 group.|
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 13 2006, 06:02 PM|
|What was it last week? Did it go up or down? Cause is seemed it went down a bit.|
|Posted by: galveston Nov 13 2006, 06:11 PM|
|The finals for 7th Heaven last week were 3.85 million viewers, 1.4/3 demo. They thought Ruthie finally being back would boost ratings, but they seemed to forget that Ruthie is a contemptible, selfish brat.|
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 13 2006, 06:18 PM|
Hmm, why does that sound familiar
|Posted by: Dean5339 Nov 13 2006, 06:48 PM|
| One slight bump in the road. But, overall weekly average (for whole season) we are still in the top right? Just under SV and GG [in actual shows]. I personally wouldn't worry about it.
SV has gone down when we have gone down. And SV has gone up when we have gone up.
Only thing that's worrisome is- how would it be without SV as a 'lead-in'?
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 13 2006, 06:52 PM|
Hopefully by that time it will have established itself enough. I don't see it as a lead-in show, simply because it's too dark and adultish to put it on the earlier slot, and frankly, I love it the way it is and don't want to see it 'lighten' up.
|Posted by: hvstmn247 Nov 13 2006, 06:56 PM|
| I thought with DOND gone SN would do better but then I hear that SN will be pre empted in some places again. B/c of basketball. I am really worried how ratings will be this week since it is our last new episode of hiates. I swear if OTH keeps beating us I will be so depressed.
I just hope despite that we go up more or stay level. Please god do not let us fall again.
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 13 2006, 07:03 PM|
|We have two more new episodes before hiatus, as I understand it. OTH may be doing well now but I'm waiting for the numbers when AI comes back and it gets competition and I don't see a need to worry.|
|Posted by: april26 Nov 13 2006, 07:39 PM|
Hermite I read on jensenacklesfans.com that this week will be "Crossroad Blues" and then In my time of dying (rerun-11\16) and ELAC (rerun - 30\11). Is it wrong?
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 13 2006, 07:47 PM|
| This is what I got from TWoP
But I thought Croatoan was in there somewhere?
|Posted by: april26 Nov 13 2006, 07:58 PM|
| Hermite you're right
I found this post on cw board
11/16 - Crossroad Blues
11/23 - In My Time of Dying
11/30 - Everybody Loves a Clown
12/07 - Croatoan
and then the hiatus until january.
thanks Hermite sometimes I'm lost.
Sorry maybe this is out topic here
|Posted by: SammysAngel Nov 13 2006, 08:11 PM|
| Wow, there's a whole lot of worrying going on here. I really see nothing to be worried about; I mean, sure, we didn't have the highest ratings this week, but with the competition we're against, any other show would've gotten twenty times worse. Not to mention the point that keeps coming up about summer merchandise; why in the world would a network rapidly losing money spend money on a show that they thought would tank? There is obviously faith in the show, even if its rarely shown, its there.
Not to mention, I hadn't noticed that there were a lot of shows that hadn't gotten a full season 22 ep order from the start. Giving 9 (?) eps to OTH and VM was basically them saying "We're not sure how well they're going to do, so lets just see if the ratings are at all good". We got a 22 episode order from the start, obviously because they know we're good in the ratings. That they put us on in the most dangerous hour of television is a huge vote of confidence! They could've put OTH there, but they know it would've died.
Also, I know the CW itself doing pretty poorly, but they wouldn't cancel the entire network after just one year, that would be giving up way too quickly, especially since the CW isn't even available to a lot of the country yet. And while a lot of the pilots don't sound too promising, I know a ton of people in my age group who'll tune into Gossip Girl because everyone reads the book series (I'll probably watch as I've read most of the books), and with teh OC probably going down, this is a very similiar show and could possibly bring new viewers over to the CW- which could get more people tuned into SN
I know I'm probably sounding like I'm trying to be too optimistic, but I seriously think everyone just needs to stop worrying, because honestly guys, we're doing great, and I don't think there's any reason to start worrying until there needs to be.
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 13 2006, 08:20 PM|
thanks for finding that april . You're source is better than mine.
SammysAngel, you're not being too optimistic, you're right on the dot. The CW won't cancel. Heck, any business is given at least 5 years before they expect a profit and I expect they will give the CW just as long, otherwise they lose money.
SN is in a tough spot and I'm with you. I don't see them being able to put another show in that killer slot and expect it to survive. As it is, SN has done a remarkable job at keeping pretty steady and keeping most of SV's lead in. Heck, their retainment is one of the best so far.
We have a ways to go before we should worry and I'm with you, everyone should just breath and remember what Mr. Kripke said, word of mouth. Let's spread the word at how great SN is and things will work out.
Huh, Marc Berman pegged it at 4.5 mil for this week. Guess he midjudged that one. Wish he'd plug SN as much as he's plugging for this dinosaur.
|Posted by: Nicole™ Nov 13 2006, 08:41 PM|
| I'm not necessarily worried, just peeved that last week's didn't do better. It was a great episode and had Linda Blair on it as a plus. The fact that the show didn't do any better upsets me because its too good of a show to not do better. I was so sure that Usual Suspects would do so much better than No Exit. The fact that it didn't makes me wonder why. Besides going into sweeps is a bad time to be having a "bump in the road."
No offense to anyone, but I can't see how someone would rather watch "soap opera" quality shows over ours. CSI, I can understand, but the others?
Its not like the competition's going to go away. Except for maybe OC. But the real players aren't going away and we will always have this tough competition in this time slot. Over the long haul, that does worry me. I may not be worried so much for a third season, but its any seasons that may or may not come after that. I would like to have this show around for at least a good 5-6 year run.
Still, things are early, but I would feel a lot better if we'd have had at least a 3.5 million. Why aren't more people watching? We are definitely as good as OTH...I can't see the draw there at all. I really hope this week's does better.
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 13 2006, 08:48 PM|
| Well to be fair, there was the basketball games and the show was preempted. I still feel NE is partly to blame and usually if an episode is nor received well, it does reflect in the following week's ratings, so that's why I think NE played a part, especially since OC ratings went up, which makes me think those that watched SN in stead of OC when NE was playing, weren't too thrilled with it and went back to watching OC. Hopefully they'll give SN another try.
So between the gigantums CSI, GA, the preemptions and NE yeah, we pretty much lost out. I hope that SN can recuperate. It's a great little show and I wish the CW would advertise it more often than just when it has a big star coming on. As it is, even LB couldn't draw them or keep them.
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 13 2006, 09:39 PM|
| Actually hermitme to be fair we did well in the larger markets, it was just those smaller markets where the show was preempted for basketball why we didn't see bigger numbers. I have a feeling that if SV or SN weren't preempted that night we would have earned at least 3.70 million. I am not joking either, I have a feeling the numbers would have been higher.
I was reading complaints about this weeks episode as well, not enough of the brothers together too much guest star interaction and so on. Many tuned out. Some freaking fans are never happy.
When Smallville goes down we go down, when Smallville goes up we go up!
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 13 2006, 09:54 PM|
I believe you. I always believe you, galveston and wenart. I know you guys know what you are talking about, and seriously, that is the number I was expecting, although I would have given credit to LB. But you are right, some fans are never satisfied.
I thought the brothers separated yet still connected was brilliant. I can't believe people complained. Oh well, I guess when it comes to the brothers dynamics together, it's hell to try to break them up.
|Posted by: Nicole™ Nov 13 2006, 09:58 PM|
Oh, okay, so basketball wasn't just on, but the show was preempted. <takes out contacts and rewets them> Dang, I missed that somehow. Well, that sucks. I don't like sports anyway.
I would love for the show to have ratings that high, that'd be great.
Yeah, you'd think that the fans of one show could agree on some basic areas, but it's always something. Not enough Dean, not enough Sam, not enough action, not enough emotion, too much demon, not enough about the demon, it goes on and on. I have to wonder if all the people who threaten to tune out for one reason or another would just suck it up and watch anyway and spread good news about the show, if that'd make a difference. I wasn't looking forward to No Exit (and didn't pull any punches in my reviews here after I watched it, where I consider it safe to discuss it), but I watched anyway and wouldn't dream of talking bad about it to people who don't watch it. Every episode is treasured at my house whether it was a favorite or a least favorite...at least we got one to talk about one way or another.
Long live SN!
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 13 2006, 10:18 PM|
| Nicole- SV and SN were preempted in I do believe 8 smaller markets last week for Basketball. Ask Galveston she should know the exact number. 8 Markets, that explains the lower numbers.
Yeah Nicole and hermitme I hear ya.. Some fans are even on this board who found a reason to bitch about the episode.
I couldn't find anything wrong with it, I thought it showed how in-tuned the brothers are even when not together. I thought Linda Blair was fantastic guest star and wouldn't mind seeing her again.
Even some people in the LJ communities were like were is my classic rock music, not every episode has to have classic rock music in it.
But I think Smallville's Numbers will be up this week, so we should be up as well.
|Posted by: galveston Nov 13 2006, 10:43 PM|
| It won't be up in my market. It'll get a zero in Oklahoma City. Smallville, too.
PRE-EMPTED. Oklahoma Sooners Basketball. They'll pummel the holy crap out of Liberty University 90 to 40 or something similar. It's a dud game to boot. The plus side, I looked carefull through the Oklahoma and Oklahoma State schedules and believe it or not, I don't think there's a Thursday 8 o'clock game again for either school. The remaining Thursday game is an ESPN game.
In other preemption news, One Tree Hill is going to be preempted three times during first run episodes of One Tree Hill in Oklahoma City. Veronica Mars will be preempted in Oklahoma City January 30, February 13, February 20, and February 27. I take that back about OTH. It will be preempted four times as well. It's preempted this Wednesday, too. That's not counting late December and early January which will likely be reruns. The first Tuesday in January will preempt Veronica Mars and there's another OTH premption as well.
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 13 2006, 10:55 PM|
| One market won't kill ratings all that much, Galveston. Try to be positive here
Hahah for OTH and VM though Which means that ANTM and GG will most likely be preempted in those markets as well. So they can get a taste of what it feels like...
We will be fine!
|Posted by: Dean5339 Nov 13 2006, 11:01 PM|
| At least CW isn't a 'Fox' and has to go on WIDE breaks with many of its shows due to Football (?)
Anyways, despite two "bad" weeks. I think, might be wrong that on average season for CW we are still the third top actual show. Have the statistics (overall average) changed?
Because it's not one or two or even five episodes that count. It's:
2. Overall ratings
And so far in both, haven't we been doing great so far?
|Posted by: galveston Nov 13 2006, 11:04 PM|
|Yes, all those games will preempt the lead in shows as well. OU and OSU's evening games always run 7 to 9 local time.|
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 14 2006, 01:34 AM|
However just because the Actors are contracted through 7 years, doesn't mean the show has to go on for 7 years.... Just saying.
Hell for SN JA and JP could be contracted for 5 years, doesn't mean the show would go on for five years.. (it will go on beyond 5 years though)
I still think this will be SV last year or so. Just an inkling of everything that has been said and done in the past episodes this season has lead me to believe.
And Hell I love the Green Arrow a lot more than Clarky boy he is starting to get on my last nerve. LOL
Yes, Dean I agree dispite everything we are holding our own.
|Posted by: galveston Nov 14 2006, 01:50 AM|
|I imagine the CW is going to fight to keep Smallville on the air. It doesn't seem to have many programming options. Maybe to try and launch a Green Arrow series in its lead out spot.|
|Posted by: WinchesterSweetie Nov 14 2006, 02:01 AM|
Seeing how miserably every CW show is doing, this would be a smart option for them. Of course, that implies SN will probably launch off some other night. I don't have a problem with this - actually it would be pretty awesome - but if it's to happen, CW needs to get the word out about SN. Their frakkin advertising department seems to believe VM is the only show on the entire network...
|Posted by: JoAnne Nov 14 2006, 02:42 AM|
| Do you think we are going to have to wait until July to see if SN has been picked up for another season?
Also, I am holding onto every positive thought here and on this board. I like what you all have been saying in that merchandise is being planned for the summer of 2007. Why would they plan that for a series they would drop?
I would love to know the history of a show like "The XFiles." Wasn't that like the little engine that could and didn't it struggle only to then go on to 9 years?!!!!!
I would love to know that TPTB recognize SN as one that could and can go on for many many years with a solid and loyal fan/viewer base that will continue to watch.
I have watched many a tv show and frankly I am now so very tired of reality shows/ formulaic comedies and dramas. Copycats are my very least favorite.
Supernatural has inventive episodes each and every week with two tremendous actors that make their journey feel as if it is our own - we are so very involved.
|Posted by: wenart25 Nov 14 2006, 02:44 AM|
| We will find out probably sometime in March or possibly at the upfronts in May like we did for this season.
Things will be fine!!!!
|Posted by: jensenfanfirst Nov 14 2006, 04:21 AM|
|I hope they keep SN and if they want to keep SV and launch someonething else in after it maybey they can move SN and try and have Reaper after SN and have a horror themed night. I think SN is the only show can do well as a leadin or moved to a diffrent slot and do well. They have to promote it more or give it a better time slot for that to happen.|
|Posted by: hvstmn247 Nov 14 2006, 04:27 AM|
|As long as they keep SN I will be happy. I only hope they will move it to a better night. I would not be surprised if they tryed to keep SV for one more year and if they do have a new green arrow spin off I think they will need SV to help launch it. I think SN with other shows.|
|Posted by: wenart25 Nov 14 2006, 05:13 PM|
| Here are the ratings for Monday (11/13/06):
ABC’s Wife Swap finished fourth in the 8 p.m. hour with a below-average 6.76 million viewers and a 2.6/ 7 among adults 18-49, followed by CW sitcoms Everybody Hates Chris (Viewers: 3.20 million; A18-49: 1.2/ 3) and All of Us (Viewers: 3.13 million; A18-49: 1.3/ 3). Comparatively, this was on par with year-ago occupants One On One and All of Us
Also at 9 p.m. was ABC’s soon-to-conclude The Bachelor: Rome at a typically lackluster 8.77 million viewers (#4) and a third-place 3.4/ 8 among adults 18-49 (does anyone even care about The Bachelor anymore?), followed by the CW’s Girlfriends (Viewers: 3.00 million; A18-49: 1.4/ 3) and spin-off The Game (Viewers: 2.43 million; A18-49: 1.1/ 3).
Well...from the looks of things..."The Game" is not doing that well. Actually, the ratings have fallen this week compared to last week. These are not good ratings for "The Game" at all.
All of the ratings for yesterday can be found here:
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 14 2006, 05:17 PM|
|From the sounds of it though, even other shows have done bad. Maybe everyone's sick of tv. Was there something going on yesterday that I missed? Not that I would care, but just wondering.|
|Posted by: winsome Nov 14 2006, 05:25 PM|
|When reading this thread, I noticed that some of you were surprised that SN had older viewers. For what it's worth, I'm 43, and I watch the show faithfully with my teenagers every single week. (I'm actually the one who got them hooked on it.)My father is 68 and he never misses it either and my husband occasionally watches it. I've resorted to taping CSI just so that I don't miss SN! I recently wrote to Dawn Ostroff (President of Entertainment at the CW) to let her know just how much my ENTIRE family enjoyed the show. I have friends who also watch SN as a family--ie 40-something-year-old parents watching with their teenaged kids. I don't know how Nielsen comes up with these ratings numbers, but SN is MOST DEFINITELY not just for young adults and teens, and if only the CW would switch it to another night, I am sure they would get more viewrs--young AND old--who now watch CSI.|
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 14 2006, 05:36 PM|
| Welcome winsome and I don't see how we can be surprised. Many of us aren't teeny boppers but adults, married with families. So we do know that the tv viewing audience for SN goes across the board with many ages and nationalities involved, which is why I wonder how come the PTBs at CW havne't realized it yet and started commercializing SN for all viewers, instead of the teen segment.
I too have a teen ager at home, but unfortunately, he's my total opposite. I mean total as in even our zodiac signs are complete opposites, he's fire, I'm water.
And although I have gotten him to enjoy quirky, odd shows, he's still resisting SN, but then again, he's not a big tv watcher either. I mean, ok, he doesn't watch tv except if he inputs dvds. The few times he does watch the show he does enjoy them, but like Dean, will never admit it to me.
Hope we keep hearing from you.
|Posted by: winsome Nov 14 2006, 05:43 PM|
|Thanks, hermitme! Good to know I'm not the only "parent" reading these boards!|
|Posted by: clois4ever Nov 14 2006, 06:11 PM|
|Since it seems other shows are experenicing ratings bumps I am praying SN can recover from Last week. I just hope with some of the pre emting we can hold steady or at least imporve with DOND gone. But I am kindof worried.|
|Posted by: jaredfan Nov 14 2006, 06:21 PM|
| I'm 16 but personally I'm not surprised at all that not only teenagers are watching the show, my mom who's 36 watch it to and she come to this board (I saw your mail box )
I think it's cool that so many people enjoys it.
|Posted by: wpchica36 Nov 14 2006, 07:50 PM|
| Welcome winsome
I am 20 and I watch SN faithfully with my mom every Thursday night. I have gotten as hooked as I am....maybe not as hooked, she's not on here yet, which is a good thing though cause I don't want her reading some of the things that I have written . SN is a show that can appeal to anyone of any age and the CW certainly should advertise more to appeal to some other groups of people.
|Posted by: galveston Nov 14 2006, 10:41 PM|
ABCmedianet.com finally came out. 7th Heaven's final ratings for Sunday night were 3.62 million. So, to reiterate the CW shook down this way:
ANTM 5.37 million
Smallville 4.46 million
Gilmore Girls 4.34 million
Smackdown 4.33 million
7th Heaven 3.62 million
One Tree Hill 3.56 million
Supernatural 3.19 million
EHC 3.18 million
Girlfriends 2.92 millinn
The Game 2.75 million
Veronica Mars 2.75 million
ANTM encore 2.01 million
Smallville encore 1.63 million
7th place out of 11 first run shows. Not great. At least we aren't in as dire a straits as Veronica Mars, which I believe is going to be headed for the dust bin after this season if she gets a whole season. Dawn Ostroff is truly VM's only champion. No official word yet and House is just killing her. One Tree Hill will get its just desserts when AI premieres and heaven only knows what viewing numbers and demos House will get when Idol premieres in January.
I just hope we last. How much more competition can our boys take? At zap2it they keep saying everyone will push SN off their tivo when Scrubs comes back. SN can't be in that precarious a position, can it? Scrubs will be going against mostly repeats, so if it gets any decent numbers at all people will call it the second coming and become the prognositcators of doom again. Am I missing something? I don't think Scrubs has been funny in 2 years. At any rate, it was never so funny that I couldn't put it on the VCR. It wasn't at the moment appointment viewing for me ever; it definitely was no Arrested Development. Scrubs only pulled half the viewers DOND pulled in the Thursday timeslot when it was in a less competitive slot last year. 6.25 million average is not a lot for an NBC show, and Grey's demos are much higher. So were DOND's demos for that matter. DOND moving should be a good thing, shouldn't it? People can get a Scrubs fix before SN comes back full time in January. Most of the people who say they'll watch Scrubs on the other BBS were CSI or Grey's watchers originally....I think. One of them was an SN viewer, I know. He's booting watching SN live to watch Scrubs instead, and he has to use the tivo because his daughters can't bear to miss their McDreamy on Thursdays. Says Scrubs is the funniest show that was ever on the air. Why is SN always second place, the one to get booted?
I'm definitely missing something. They replay Scrubs on my local CW affilliate at 10 each weeknight. Just like I said, the early episodes were kind of funny but the later ones are crap. I don't want to see SN's numbers go below 3 million because of a tired old sitcom. I'd feel much more secure if last week's numbers had been higher and if Oklahoma City weren't being preempted this Thursday. OKC isn't a tiny market. It's a fairly big one. Just what SN's numbers need.
At any rate CSI and Grey's Anatomy are really suffering. They're down to 3rd and 5th place respectively. Only 20.83 and 20. 65 million respectively. Gosh, their ratings are just plummeting. I'll bet they're in a panic. Whatever shall they do? They're only in the top 5. Darn those Desperate Housewives and Dancing with the Stars competition and results shows.
|Posted by: hvstmn247 Nov 14 2006, 11:47 PM|
|I am trying to stay positive and hope we can still do well despite our comp. If OTH and VM can get more ep orders and the game can get a full season on their numbers in less comp time slot then SN then I doubt SN is in danger. Plus for being prempted and given it's comp and the fact that SV was down I think we have done well. We where still higher then 3 mil. I just hope against hope the next 2 new episode before hiates do better.|
|Posted by: galveston Nov 14 2006, 11:55 PM|
| Seeing slightly higher numbers before the hiatus would do my positive mind set that seems to have fled a world of good. I keep waiting for FOX to say it's moving its American Idol results show to Thursdays. It's like a morbid little tv game....how bad can the competition get? That website where they're all jonesing for Scrubs, they think moving House and American Idol to Thursdays instead of Wednesdays is a fabulous idea.
You know, there's a not a lot of Supernatural fans at that site to begin with. Maybe I should grab a clue and not visit there.
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 15 2006, 12:11 AM|
If they do that, no doubt CW will reevaluate the Thursday night run. They know right now they have a winning combo with SV and SN and truthfully? I don't think they are ready to risk any show in that time slot. This is actually good for SN, because it does keep, and hopefully this week it will do better, it does keep steady numbers.
You're a bit depressed galveston, but tell me, if they cancelled SN what will they fill that slot with that they hope can do better? And what will they offer since SN is one of their more popular shows?
Marc Berman keeps touting the greatness of 7th H, and I don't know why he gives that show so much more attention than SN, but considering that SN does seem to be the red-headed step-child, I think it's doing damn good.
Chin up cheri, it will get better.
|Posted by: galveston Nov 15 2006, 12:19 AM|
| Thanks, honey. You are such a doll. I have been in a mood all week, haven't I? When it gets dark at 5:30 in the evening all my endorphins seem to go south. Hey, at least Berman said he doesn't consider Scrubs appointment television. There's something positive.
The only thing I think that CW could throw in the timeslot is a new reality program and see if it sticks, or something like Beauty and the Geek. You never know with these crazy reality programs that people get attached to. Or they could concede the timeslot with an ANTM "encore" and put SN on Sundays at 9 instead of the ANTM encore. Only going up against one megashow in Desperate Housewives (instead of two) might be a reprieve. Good counterprogramming. However, they really want those Thursday advertising dollars, don't they? Darn. As for me, I'll always view EHC and All of Us with daggers in my eyes for having that cushy Monday at 8 timeslot. Darn, would I love for Supernatural to have that timeslot.
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 15 2006, 12:30 AM|
You're welcome and there have been many times you've brought up my spirits with good common sense and optimism. I'm glad I can return the favor.
Yes it would be nice for SN to be in a nice cushy spot with minimum competition, but we're in a killer spot, in a little known station and we're still ahead of the ones in less competitive spots.
I see that as very positive. And when OTH goes against AI, it will drop also, so we will move up again.
As for AI moving to Thursays, I don't really see FOX doing that because as someone mentioned, AI and a couple of other shows is the only thing that FOX has and I'm not sure FOX is ready to face CSI and GA. I don't think it wants anything to cut into its profits.
I'm just hoping AI will run its course and die. Sorry AI fans, but the show reminds me of the gladiator days where people vote to see who lives and who dies.
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 15 2006, 12:47 AM|
| I am really not going to read everything over again. So we took a hit the last couple of weeks it could have been worse, but it wasn't.
OTH is only doing well because they have no competition like SN does. I would love to seem them throw any other show at 9pm on Thursday Night and see what happens. Everything else will sink...
Most of the Zap2it people are retarded.. Scrubs sucks, there are only a few Die hard SN fans on that board everyone else just watches it every now and then.
Scrubs has never been a ratings grabber and will die on Thursday nights. 30Rock will also die, it has died on Tuesday Nights. LOL Why are we worrying about Scrubs, there has been no advertising for it that I know of.
I think it was close to cancellation anyhow, why they brought it back it beyond me.
Think Positive happy thoughts people, as long as there aren't that many preemptions like last week we should be fine.
Yes, while I would love for SN to have a cushy spot it's obvious that The CW has faith in it to put it against CSI and Grey's.
|Posted by: LoisLaneKent Nov 15 2006, 12:54 AM|
|and they still come up with good numbers, quick worrying Supernatural is not going anywhere. I'm 32, by the way so don't worry about the age gap.|
|Posted by: Dean5339 Nov 15 2006, 04:06 AM|
| As I keep on saying, stop worrying about SN. We are doing great (look at the AVERAGE ratings)- CW has a graph of all of their shows to see how they are tracking. And so far, despite a couple of 'bumps' we are doing great. So I don't see the point in worrying.
Now what you SHOULD worry about is the CW as a whole. The CW gone= SN gone.
With SV and GG soon gone, they will only have one actual 'top' show. And one actual 'top' show just doesn't cut it. What we need to hope for is that coming soon they come up with new hit shows. Because if they don't- it's going to be a disaster. So, worry about the CW- NOT SN.
|Posted by: galveston Nov 15 2006, 07:34 AM|
The finals for the Monday comedies according to our friendly site, sticomsonline.com. Per usual, I give millions of viewers, the 18-49 demo and then the 25-54 demo.
Everybody Hates Chris--3.22 million--1.2/3--1.2/3
All of Us--3.10 million--1.3/3--1.2/3
The Game--2.42 million--1.1/3--1.0/2
The Game is really wilting. It had a final of 2.75 million last week. I wonder what happened. The CW's two new series sure aren't scoring very well, and I have a feeling it'll get worse when 24 returns Mondays at 9 in January.
The CW is going to have to shell out big time in make goods to the advertisers and it's going to COST. If they can't get a better crop of pilots produced for series next fall, the network is going to be in dire straits. 7th Heaven alone is costing them big time.
|Posted by: akin Nov 15 2006, 07:57 AM|
Isn't there a possibility that someone else would buy the show. It's been a long time since I have been into this and I don't remember it. But in case CW (what I don't think will happen that soon, they really have to get their chance) is going down the hill and will be cancelled, can't the other channels buy their shows or rights to them or have a talk with Kripke....
|Posted by: galveston Nov 15 2006, 08:12 AM|
| Yes, another channel could buy it if it were interested. Skiffy comes to mind. The production company has to be willing to sell. It's all very complicated. I can imagine skiffy being interested.
In better news, Supernatural will get ratings from the Oklahoma City market Thursday night because it's NOT being preempted!! Oklahoma State ball preempted the CW last Friday night. Oklahoma State and Oklahoma mens basketball teams have been broadcasting games on the WB/CW for years, but the University of Oklahoma just cancelled its contract today. They aren't a package deal anymore. OU's going to broadcast all its games on my network tv starting this Thursday. OSU's games will still preempt the CW, but OU's games won't and it's the school with Thursday games. All of OSU's games are Tuesday and Wednesday. VM and OTH will bear the brunt of preemptions in this market. Supernatural won't be preempted a single time this season.
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 15 2006, 12:55 PM|
|See galveston, things are looking up already|
|Posted by: Dean5339 Nov 15 2006, 02:18 PM|
| Same goes for Invasion though. I remember how that went down.
That's why I say worry about the CW.
Problem is budget. I don't watch sci-fi shows, but their original films? Supernatural has ALOT better CGI effects. So, I don't think sci-fi would be able to afford it.
|Posted by: hvstmn247 Nov 15 2006, 04:28 PM|
That's good news and with DOND gone hopefully we can raise the ratings up a bit fingers crossed:
|Posted by: wenart25 Nov 15 2006, 06:03 PM|
| Well..for those of you who are curious about how well GG and VM did last night in the ratings...here you go...
Last overall was the CW with its combination of Gilmore Girls (Viewers: #5, 4.44 million; A18-49: #5, 2.0/ 5) and Veronica Mars (Viewers: #5, 2.74 million; A18-49: #5, 1.3/ 3). Sorry Veronica fans, but retention out of Gilmore Girls of just 62 percent in total viewers and 65 percent among adults 18-49 lands it in the loser’s listing.
Well..at least VM was consistent this week, with their ratings from last week. Same as GG.
|Posted by: galveston Nov 15 2006, 06:24 PM|
| We'll see how those turn out for GG and VM in the finals. Sitcoms online will probably have them by Thursday. They seem to be hovering around their bottom out numbers.
Someone at the bad place where I lurk who keeps graphs says that the year ago episode of Gilmore Girls had 6.19 million viewers. Between the decrease in coverage and the fans between hacked off about Lorelai and Christopher getting married last night, that sounds about right.
House actually had a subpar night. 14.56 million and 6.3/16 in the 18-49 demo. That demo is out of sight for those viewer numbers, though. It's the dancing with the stars last half hour at nine that was a killer. According to Berman, it rose to 28.60 million viewers. 8.4/21 demo. It was the competition's finale. Those are American Idol numbers. ABC's going to be hurting when its gone next week. However, GG will be hurting when AI premieres in January in direct competition at 8 against it. House's numbers will skyrocket with AI as its lead in. It usually does between 18 and 20 million. I think DWTS actually stole a few viewers from House in that last overlapping 1/2 hour. Ouch.
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 15 2006, 06:29 PM|
|I thought AI was on Wednesday? No, that's right, it's on Tuesdays. Does that mean OTH has no competition? WTH?|
|Posted by: galveston Nov 15 2006, 06:34 PM|
| American Idol airs 2 days a week. The official time periods are Tuesdays at 8 and Wednesdays at 9. However, you know AI. It has 2 hour specials, and hour and a half specials. The first week, it will be 2 hours on Tuesday and 2 hours on Wednesday. I think it's premiering a week before all the other shows come back in January. I think. I do know that it will be 4 hours total the first week.
Fox has to make up ground. AI, House, and 24 are the only hits it has. Prison Break has gone down the tubes. American Idol pays the bills for them.
|Posted by: hermitme Nov 15 2006, 06:38 PM|
| Ok. I don't feel bad now. Especially since I don't have to edit previous posts
|Posted by: Freyja Nov 15 2006, 09:07 PM|
| Yeah a lot of Gilmore Girls fans are pissed about the whole Lorelai and Christopher thing. I would be to, because in all the seasons leading up to this it has been Luke and Lorelai and now poor Luke gets thrown to the side. Bullshit. I stopped watching because of that. It was like the writers just stopped caring about the fans. You would think they would be paying attention to the ratings, and the fans complaints. LOL
The bad news about this is poor Veronica Mars is suffering, Then again she is on par with last year. I taped last nights episode will watch today with the rommmate gone.
YAY good news for you Galveston I am glad you will get to see this weeks episode
Dean I could see Sci-Fi buying Supernatural or interested in it. I bet they are watching it very closely, after all they did buy Silders from Fox after Season 3. Kinda wish they didn't it went downhill after that, but they did.
I am sure Supernatural has better effects, but watch Battlestar and Stargate those effects are just about the same as Supernatural.
Sci-Fi- Didn't want Invasion, but I can see them wanting Supernatural.
|Posted by: wenart25 Nov 15 2006, 09:24 PM|
| Yippe for you Galveston!!
I was taping GG for a friend, but stopped because the last time I spoke to her....she had seen S6 and was very upset with the way it went and did not seem to interested in the way this season was going to go.
I can see the Sci Fi channel or even FX interested in Supernatural. Funny thing here is that when the news of the merger became public, I was thinking that even if the CW did not, I could really see FX interested in the show...it would have been different for the network, granted, but I could have worked! I can still even see them being interested in it....probably not as much as the Sci Fi network, to me, it is an option.
I am all giddy...this is my 1,000 post!!! Hooray for me!!!