I know this is an odd thing to bring up, perhaps, but I've noticed that the guys are sooooo detached emotionally---Sam due to soulessness of course...but Dean..?
In seasons past we've had a revealing emotional scene by now and since the writers know "the best parts are when they cry"---why haven't they?
It isn't like they haven't had any reason....

I've seen Dean tear up a few times but not actually cry. Sam can't cry because he has no soul to allow him to feel emotions that would normally make him cry. Though I imagine we'll be seeing tears when Sam does get his soul back. :)

Maybe because everyone is so disconnected from (and in some cases incapable of connecting with) others. Dean is tired. He's been through too much for Sam, only to find out time and again that Sam always cared more about himself and his own agenda than he ever cared about Dean. As for Sam? I think it was a really bad move to go for this soulless plot, particularly right after S5, but they did. How can you care about a soulless sociopath? What's the big deal? We know Dean will fix the problem and that's it. Most of all, it's been ages now since the show has given us a Sam we could really like and get behind and invest in the way we'd want to, but there's no sign of any light at the end of the tunnel.

Thank god they don't cry every episode. That is not realistic and only in there to please the fangirls.

The less crying the better.

You must have missed season 5, especially "Point of No Return" and "Swan Song", where how much Sam cared about Dean was blindingly obvious. In fact, it brought Dean back from the brink in PONR and Sam back to himself before he jumped into Hell.

I'm assuming you're using the queen's "we" here, and only speaking for yourself, because I don't agree. I love Sam right now, mostly because he's different and both Sam and Dean had become stale after 5 seasons. So I'm enjoying the ride while it lasts.

With souless Sam, I guess it's hard for the writers to write an emotional scene between the two, but I had noticed this during season 5 as well. Even the scene where Sam asked Dean to go to Lisa wasn't that emotional to me. IMO, the last time we had a really good, emotional scene between the bros was In "Levee", at the end of season 4. Hopefully there's something great coming when Sam gets his soul back.

That was probably more of an inflammatory comment than I should have made, though so far as I can see it is accurate. As for PONR, I’m not convinced that Dean himself was a primary concern even then. Sam’s concern was what would happen if Dean said yes to Michael. Sam’s solution to that problem was to cut Dean loose, knowing Dean wouldn’t disappoint him. It was what Sam would have wanted in the same situation, not really what Dean needed. It affirmed Dean as an individual, but not a relationship of mutual respect, decision-making, investment, and trust between them. Knowing Dean, Sam knew it wasn’t much of a gamble and that Dean wouldn’t let him down. If the primary concern was Dean, Sam might have recognized and addressed the real underlying problem: Dean’s pain and exhaustion and disillusionment with Sam and the unequal nature of their relationship. But I didn’t see that happening. As for Swan Song, Sam jumped into that pit for a lot of different reasons—noble or ignoble as may be—but given what I’d seen in S5 and before it didn’t look to me like Dean was a primary reason. If Dean was a primary concern, Sam might have paid closer attention to Dean's unspoken reservations and listened when Dean tried to argue him out of saying yes, and they probably would have actually looked for and considered other options.

Yes, I probably shouldn’t have used the word “we”. But I don’t believe I’m alone in my views on that subject, and that is what I was subconsciously, I suppose, suggesting.

But the mods will probably be ready to throttle me if I go any further into this rather controversial subject. :)

That's what I'm looking forward to. I want soulful, sobbing!Sam! :cry

While I really haven't seen even Dean tear up this season (and he's definitely had some blows to deal with, especially loosing Lisa and Ben) yet, I agree with Kyelinn in saying that Sam doesn't feel anything in his soulless state. He's already told Dean he doesn't care about Lisa, Ben or Dean, so what's there for him to get teary about? As Crowley said, Sam would sell Dean out for a dollar if he were thirsty and needed a soda, so shedding a tear? Kinda not on the menu. :lol:

But I agree that when Sam gets his soul back? Hopefully the heartfelt tears will come.

One of the things I'm looking forward to the most about when Sam gets his soul back is a good cry and complete emotional breakdown between the brothers. I all ways look forward to seeing Jar and Jen display this facet of their acting. They always manage to pull off something quite amazing and heartbreaking and I love getting all caught up in the moment with them. So, I say...

BRING ON THE TEARS! :cry

I have to agree, I think the 'tears' will happen once Sam gets his soul back. Hopefully we'll also get a hug, maybe? :)

I'm ok with no tears - it's like over using any other emotional conveyance...too often and it looses it's effectiveness. Not to mention, yea Sam's out of the running, and I haven't actually seen a reason for Dean to cry yet. I don't see him crying about Lisa - rather doing that "manly bottling up" routine he does so well. And with Sam, I'd think the character would be more frustrated/ off balance rather that emotionally wrought. Just my thoughts :lol:

I agree with Jamieo. If they cry too often, it does lose effect. I think it's best used in moderation, so when they do cry, it will be all the more powerful.

They don't cry too often. I don't think that they should cry more often, just that they're kind of overdue for it. I think they have a pretty good balance. They usually only do it two maybe three times a season, which I don't think is too much, and they always have a good reason. But it's reasonable for us to be expecting an emotional dam to burst pretty soon, from Dean anyway. We will definitely have to wait until the real Sam comes back before we see anything from him.

I anticipate Niagara Falls for both boys at some point in the future when Sam gets his soul back. :P

I can't agree that crying scenes are "just to please the fangirls". They probably do just that, I concede, but they also provide much needed catharsis for characters who seem to be in an ever increasing need of it!

I have to agree. I know some of the guys who watch SN are uncomfortable with it but men do get emotional and they do cry, even big, strong, tough guys. Just ask a vet, a priest, a doctor, prison gaurd, soldier or girlfriend.

So it doesn't matter how tough our boys are, they are still human (or Sam will be) and Dean is. Facades can be maintained for a long time and through a lot of crap but there are limits, especially when one slams head on with the tragic truth.

When Sam gets his soul back, it is going to be one such tragic truth for Sam to deal with and Dean in his empathy and because he loves his brother is going to feel the pain right along with him.

It's times like this, that there is no room for a game face. Later after they pull it together, they will just pretend it never happened, but no-way show is not gonna go there.

:)

"Just ask a vet, a priest..." and also a counselor. I sure see enough of it---more than I really want to, but I also know how healthy and human it is.
I suppose you could say I'm a "fangirl'---(fan-woman?) but I can't say that I really enjoy when the guys cry---it's just that it's SO overdue right now and I agree---"It's times like this there is no room for a gameface".

I don't picture a big dramatic scene necessarily---although of course the J's would rock that. Instead I can see something like Dean sitting alone in a motel room after talking with robotic Sam on the phone...and recalling when his brother was his old self...and then when he leapt into the pit...and just leaning his head back against the wall and tears well up and spill---simple.
He's been so angry and behind anger is fear and/or hurt...about time to get to the core feeling already. :)

Well, I think Dean has cried quite a bit, or gotten very emotional as it were, over the past 4 seasons. He gets whole episodes and ends of episodes devoted just to Dean's Feelings. Sam is another issue entirely. Sam should have broken down a long time ago, and it's just never, ever happened. Either Sam is made of sterner stuff than most men, or the writers are just neglectful of his emotional life.


Sam does have those "dewey, senstive eyes" but you can't rely on that for the whole of his emotional exploration. And it seems like that has often been the case.


Right now, Sam doesn't care, because he has no soul, and therefore, can't really. Or perhaps he can a little bit, but not in really big ways. Right now, it is playing as Dean is cold and angry much of the time and Sam just can't give a damn. That cetainly has affected the overal emotional quality of the show and the boy's relationship. And despite Sam not having a soul, they do have a real relationship, though it is destined not to last for very long.


I also think the real tears will come when the real Sam comes back, from both brothers. Sam right now is 'light' because he is missing his soul. When his soul comes back, the experience should be 'heavy' by contrast.

Sammycat, you've got some good points there.
I have a pal who told me she had noticed that over all the seasons of the show, it was Dean who had cried the most, not Sam the "sensitive" one.
Perhaps, as you say, the writers "are neglectful of his emotional life"?

Sam has been highly emotional in episodes, certainly, such as Heart or the 3rd season finale when Dean is taken by the hellhounds....but have we seen him really cry about the family and the world the way Dean has in many episodes such as CSPWDT, WIAWSNB, AHBL, The End, H&H...Sam is quite capable of tears, but they somehow don't manifest the way they do with Dean----why is that?

Interesting that you say he is "light" as opposed to being "heavy" later----good way to put it. "Sam/Lite" is how it's coming across to me and it makes me wonder what depth there is to this guy. Surely more than we've yet seen in any season?
He is most defintely a full grown man now---nothing of the boy left, so he would feel more intensely ,if anything ,once his soul returns...

I want the boys to hug and cry it out. I love this about them; they are emotionally, deeply attached at their core and even though things have been rough in the past with their emotional releases, when they do let the tears flow it's always been poignant and very important to the story.

Men cry - that's the truth. If we never see Dean or Sam cry on the show it would take away from the bond that makes them so special and the show would not seem so genuine. After all that's happened not only do we deserve to see them let the tears flow, the boys deserve to let the tears flow. I really hope that's what we get.

Well, I think it's highly possible that Sam will be catatonic from his resoulling from having a system overload - too much real emotion, too much reality, all in one instant. But I do think we are owed a big hug and tearful reunion. Something heartfelt and meaningful.


I'd also love a scene like Picard got in The Inner Light, where we saw him relive an entire year on his face at the end of the episode. Jared is totally capable of that level of acting, and it would be cool to see how this show would handle such a thing.


So weird how Soulless Sam is bringing out my Trek memories..... :hologram

Oh absolutely, Jared could handle that level of acting and I'd love to see the show have a scene like the one with Picard.
One hopes that the writers surely do not intend to just gloss over the fact that Sam has been in hell and then walking about sans a soul for well over a year---our Sammy would not be emotionless about any of that, to put it mildly!
To have him recall the year and "add in" what he would have been feeling---wow! Great drama!