Having watched all seasons and read every piece of news and plot analysis I could find I had a lot of anticipation for season 6.

After watching the first episode of season 6 I must say I am very un-impressed.
Surely it is too soon to judge anything since only one episode has been out but I must say people love SN due to the suspense, anticipation and twists and turns that the series has managed to establish.

Throwing all the characters back together and adding a brand-new team of hunters with a phony monster story is just not supernatural. From camera angles to music to the simple way they got Sam and Dean and Bobby together again I must say SN has had a bad start.

They should have either ended the series or only get Kripke do season 6.

I seriously hope it gets better from here otherwise I think the series is going to be a big waste of time.

You said it yourself: It's the first episode of the season! We don't know what Sera and the other writers are planning, we don't know if this new bunch of hunters will stay etc We don't really know anything at all.

"Excile on Main Street" will not be my favourite episode but I liked anyway. Especially the first scenes where they switched between past and present and added a perfect song.
This first eppie was different. So what? That's great. While other shows get boring SN still surprises. I don't know what's wrong with that.

I don't think it's that bad. & I like the brand new team of hunters. Even if they turn out to be evil in the end. I'm also getting there to being able to give a passing nod of acknowledgment to Lisa n Ben. Reasonable people can be persuasive while not trying to persuade :wub: Doesn't mean I'm gonna love them, just because I'll see them, though. :D

Anyway, as far as beginnings go - it was loaded in a quiet-waters-are-deep kind of sense and I liked it. It hit all the right buttons. Some wrong ones too, but I still consider Magnificent Seven to be the awful-est beginning of a season.

I just have a good feeling about the coming season ^_^

Oh, also, having read all that stuff and yadda, yadda, yadda - I think you're over-analyzing the situation. Learn to sit back and enjoy before bashing ;)

Welcome to the forum too, newbie :cheer

I agree Dean and Lisa lack chemistry. Personally, I think Ben is Dean's son. The only reason Lisa would have let Dean come into her (and Ben's) life was if Dean was his father. Also, the Lisa and Dean story line isn't going any where. It is going to be a major theme this season.

Welcome to another newbie B)

& I agree that Lisa n Ben are for the staying, but I don't think that they're gonna be a major theme (unless you count a tear or two from Dean), because the show is still about brothers not fathers.

And why would Lisa still not tell Dean that Ben is his son? That doesn't make sense. Obviously she thinks he is good for Ben. She said that to Dean when they were having the conversation in Bobby's house.

I might not have found what I love the most about SPN which is angst and intensity BUT it was a very different episode from any I've seen and I like what I saw, a lot, it was very good.

I am sorry I do have to agree with the above statement.

It seemed this episode was everywhere and they just crammed all this stuff in one episode.

I think the chemestry between sam and dean is lacking as well. it was kind of ...boring.

Lets get back to how it was in season one and two with the Lore and the boys hunting I dont like all these new people.

I was worried I was the only one. I also felt a little let down. The "big" reunion was... meh and then bam! bam! bam! all this other stuff too. It doesn't mean that I am going to quit watching though... "I'm invested" so...just have to wait until this Friday.

Oh and Dean! If Sam doesn't want the keys....I'll take 'em.

I couldnt agree more. Season 6 both the first ep and the clips of next week look pathetic. Gutted.

Just to throw in the thought...I think that's the point. I think we're supposed to be in the same head space as Dean, off kilter and "gutted" with his new reality. I think the relationship is supposed to be strained at best, maybe even volatile. I know I was surprised Dean wasn't angrier than he was, because despite all the "reasons" Sam had not to tell Dean he was back, which I can understand, really...What the hell!!! :lol:

I hope some of you are right and it gets better from here.

Throwing in a bunch of stuff together and hoping for the best is not supernatrual style...

I think Kripke has let the fans down by allowing Gamble to water down the series but lets hope it gets better.

If you look at the S5 premier, there was a lot of stuff in it. We got the Sam and Dean teleporting out of Maryland, there was introduction of Becky, Meg returned, we found out Cas was exploded, Bobby was paralyzed, Dean's the Michael sword. All of the stuff ends up being spread out over the whole season. With the S6 premier, they were setting up the season and I think that everything will be more spread out and there won't be as many plotlines per episode.

It's only been one episode. We need to give Sera a chance. I actually like the premier. Sera's been with the show since S1. I think she knows what she's doing.

i think everyone should just watch a few more episodes before writing sera off. She has been a part of supernatural since the beginning,she knows how the show works.
give it time peeps

x

ITA.

QFT
How can people judge the entire series or Sera and a 22 episode plan based on one episode? Why don't you give it a few? Maybe watch at least 3 or 4 eps and then make your decision? I mean honestly. It's just kinda silly to judge it all based on what we saw in the premiere.

^ I agree as well.

Not only that she does have to make Dawn Ostroff and the network happy, so there could have been changes she was told to do that we don't know about.

And it wasn't a bad episode at all, after re-watching it several times it turns out to be a pretty good episode. Now you want to talk about bad episode talk about Fallen Idols ;) just saying this was no where near that level of awful..
:rotfl :rotfl

April

Well put Becs! :hi5

:lol: True

And really the pilot, IMTOD they set the bar pretty high.

go me :lol:
i watched the new ep about 5 times this week,think i am to obsessed.i can't believe people are still debating(arguing) about the episode on the forum. Its had more discussion then the elections.

I wonder if the views would be different if it was someone else who took over?

i'm going to shut up now. Tomorrow is a new supernatural friday!!!

x

The last episode was truly aweful. I mean, Balthazar? Gimme a damn break. What kinda angel in God's name will be called Balthazar?

The main monster stories are well watered down and all they are doing now is to build up some tension by deviating attention towards Sam and whats wrong with him.

Over the seasons SuperNatural had managed to gain so much momentum that each episode had turned into an almost interesting movie in itself. Kripke had used horror and humor in the best way and with a pinch of drama and action we had ourself a really good combination. Right now however it seems like they are just throwing bits and pieces together for the sake of doing more of the same.

I don't like the direction the show has taken at all and it doesnt seem to be getting any better.

I am so sad!!!!!!! :cry I have only liked one episode of this season so far and that was the one that centered around Bobby. It was good up until the point where Sam and Dean go to Scotland and then they lost that cohesive something that Supernatural used to have. The first half was like watching my beloved show again.

Nevertheless, all of the other episodes were such a let down. I don't understand what is going on? I know Sera Gamble wrote for the show before and I loved her stories before, what has changed? It is like someone told her she could do anything she wants and she jumped at the chance. That is fine if you are writing a new show that branched off from Supernatural but for the original show?!?

The whole season so far has been so off and so strange. I have been upset about the reappearance of the grandpa, I mean there hasn't been anything to explain how he came back, and that kind of thing just screams out as a gimmick. You can't just pop someone back in without an explanation. Ok, so maybe they will eventually explain but come on, it just doesn't seem right and we need some kind of an explanation!!!!!!!! Otherwise, it seems like a gimmick!

Then there is the rule broken about vampires. I know that the characters and the story have made it clear that once a vampire always a vampire but there could be things the boys don't know but to just throw in something like that (surprise! there's a cure) makes all of the other vampire eps seem so truly gruesome now. I mean the boys were going around beheading every vamp in site, how cruel when there was a cure. Yes, I know they let some go at one time but still.

I mean if the movie Scream proved nothing else to us, it did prove that there are some rules to horror! You don't take away the power of the monster, the mystery and the finality of their lost humanity without sacrificing credibility!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's kind of like remaking Frankenstein and instead of having the villagers outside the door with torches and pitchforks we see him in the future with a PH.D teaching inner city children in violent neighborhoods! Come on!

Moreover, of all things the cure for Dean was to drink something! I mean really! So what if they had to get the blood of the vamp that bit Dean in order to cure him. Really he drank a cup of vamp blood and who knows what else because they didn't elaborate, which by the way is what turned Dean in the first place, in order to be cured. That was such a weak premise! Besides when you can cure a vampire, then the vampire isn't a monster it is a human that is sick. You take all of the power of the creature away with a cure. Did Kripke walk out of the writer’s room with all of the imagination in his pockets!

Sera Gamble is breaking all of the rules of the show. She is taking the power away from the monster's we love to hate and she is pitting Sam against Dean and not just giving each their own problems but also truly pitting them against each other. It seems all the brotherly love is gone and even their ties to Bobby are changed and not to mention the scene where Dean and Sam are in Scotland. Really! Now the boys are international after all of these years. Where did that come from!

The road tripping brothers who fight monsters and things of urban legend died when Kripke let go of control. I would give just about anything for him to return in his old capacity. The show has lost direction and surrendered its past.

Why can't Gamble take it back to the good old days when they traveled together and fought the stuff of urban legend. It seems there is some kind of arc again, a poorly construct one, that is trying to take form. I had enough with the arc with the angels and Satan.

Why can't Castiel be their friend and just help out from time to time? Why do we need a reason for him to come back that involves a war in heaven and the other seven kinds of crazy they've been trying to feed us? I love Castiel and would accept that he now has a friendship with the boys and is there when they need him. I don't need some big elaborate war in heaven scenario.

This week’s episode was the end for me. I can't watch anymore of this run away train. I feel so bad for Kripke! :thud It would be so hard, even if you willing ended your involvement, to look at what someone else is doing to your work, to your story, to your creation. Sera Gamble has tattooed Kripke's genius project with silly gimmicks, weak premises, and gimmicks that are used in the CW's remaining lame lineup.

Next week I fully expect to see Sam and Dean fighting over a zombie girl vampire that is having an affair with Bobby!!!!!!!!!! Or Sam turning into a Wendigo and having sex with Joe when she is suddenly resurrected for no apparent reason and Joe having Sam's demon/wendigo baby. I mean really, what has happened to what used to be the best show on television!!!!!

I'm going to buy last seasons DVD's to complete my collection, watch every season and try to remember what Supernatural used to be, before this season ruins it all for me.

I'm so, sooooooo sad! :cry

GOODBYE SUPERNATURAL RIP :(

I hope everyone who keeps watching enjoys the season but I can't watch anymore.

Sorry doppleganger that you feel that way, but I would have to disagree with you on the show. I love this season.

Dean was able to be cured because he didn't drink human blood yet, so all the other vamps that the boys killed before..... they were just to late to save them, maybe if they would have been there when they were first bitten, then ok, but how often could that possible happen? Yes the rules have changed. They have said that from the beginning. Since the apocalypse was adverted, everything is different.

I think SG is doing a great job. You have to have new stories to tell. She is just starting. I know there is still so much to come.

So if this is the end for you, then I hope you find something out there that will make you happy. I know that there is no other show on TV that will ever match up to the writing, the acting and the directing of this show. Good Luck.



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I'm loving this season so far and I think Sera and the team are doing a fantastic job. I love the direction they have taken Sam and I cannot wait to see it play out. I love the mystery and the not knowing and I love that thre are so little spoilers out there. She is keeping everything on lock down and I love it!
Have I said I love it?

I do love the stories of this season and the boys acting is still second to none obviously and this new relationship they are having at the moment is making me respect their r/l relationship and worth ethic and bond/connection even more. Not having that to work off with Dean and Sam but making it seem like they have but also have a secret and Sam being different....OMG they really are amazing when they are working off of each other..


But I think Sera is taking a gamble on this season keeping the boys bond at bay!! Its why the show is so popular and love above all else. Its why its unique and people want to know more. Its why fans rewatch and rewatch so they can see those scenes between the two of them and read so much into them...and to not have that does make it hard to connect to the story sometimes.

I don't know why 'we' have to be in the dark with everything. I like mystery but I don't believe the fans have to always be in the dark. It would be intreaguing to know something that Dean doesn't know for instance and watch him try to find it out and egg him on.

I also thought that this season might be more the boys vs everyone else. And that they know more about each other and not have to ask every random 'whats wrong with Sam'. The Winchester relationship is supposed to be special they are suppose to be an unbeatable force and when thats not there all you have is the story for the episode and thats great for a watch but the rewatchs the gush and pride of SPN...for me is not there.

If they had that...season 6 would be up there with season 1 and 2 and 3 for me. Because I am liking the story. And the Sam thing is o.k. but enough already!

I really understand you, believe me. I respect your opinion. I've read other coments of other forums and unfortunately, i see that many fans are giving up of the show as well.

I' m also very very very disappointed with this new season and you have no idea how i understand you.

I will continue to watch until the end of the season, because i'm curious to see what SG will do. If this season continues to disappoint me as has been so far, i also have to say goodbye to the show, but i really want to believe that this must have some kind of solution.

Because i really hope that SG don't forget about the true essence of the show: Sam and Dean as brothers. So, i will keep watching until the end and see what she will came up with, because seing a brotherly relationship falling apart it's not what will keep me glued to the show as well.

Even the brotherly relationship between Damon and Stefan Salvatore from vampires is being much more pleasant for me to watch, much more than Sam and Dean winchester from Supernatural, which is so strange and sad.

So, i really want to see what are SG plans for fixing this relationship. In the back of my heart, i really have hope that their relationship can be pleasant to watch again, because right now i don't feel the same enthusiasm anymore and in opposite with the first 3 seasons and even season 5, right now i don't have any expectations for the following episodes.

Supernatural always was - except season 4 and now with this season - my fav tv show, but as long SG keeps with this "darkness" between the brothers and continue to drag this storyline, less will be my interest to see the rest of the show.

So don't worry, your post is understandable. You are not alone :)

I agree Mags, with you 100%

If people give up the show oh well their loss not mine, and they will miss the big pay off at the end. Nothing is supposed to be all peachy keen after Sam spent time in hell the mystery is supposed to be what is wrong with Sam. If his soul is gone or missing then Sam isn't Sam and can't be held accountable for his actions.

The writing is just fine, nothing has changed in the show at all, except Sam getting darker... The monsters are supposed to act differently, we almost had an apocalypse..

The boys are still driving together, the boys are still researching together, the only difference is Sam is not all there ;)

There are 22 chapters in a season, we need to wait and see how each chapter is delivered.

I am not calling anyone out or picking on anyone, just stating my opinion....

April

I want to give Sera a chance ..

Although I wouldnt be lying if I said this weeks episode left a bit of a sour taste..

I am fine with ''mystery'' be it all we have gone down this route with Sam since the dawn of time but not crossing lines that the character might struggle to come back from ..

I dont feel that Sam actually deserved this sl after everything he went through however Sera has gone with it ..

Ditto.

Sincerely i really hate when someone says that are disappointed with the show, and will give up of it and others, the ones that are loving it, come foward criticizing their opinions and their acts just as if judging them....

The fans have reasons for not appreciating the show anymore, respect that and don't see this fans as a traitors or stupid people. the fans who are disappointed are so many to count, investigate livejournals about the show, investigate other forums - cw forum, as one example and see what they say in there and what they say about Sam - poor Jared, he receives so much hate over his caracter, fact that is getting old in this show and fact that i'm sick of tired to see: the way the writers created this character so misunderstood and continue to write continuously his character as the evil brother, the one that everybody hate - to get an idea, and what they say about SG ;)

Sorry, but everything changed: the campbell's, Sam, Dean and consequently, the relationship between the brothers, - which for me , got worse - even the lights, even the camara angles, everything is different, in comparision with the previous seasons. Yeah, for many of you, changes are good, because the show is evolving, yada, and all that but for many other fans, the chances are a bad thing ;)

The boys are driving together but where are the scenes with them laughing inside the car, discussing their cases as before? not even a glimpse of the brothers inside the car we are able to see anymore. For me, this was a change for worse and a big change.

I'm just stating my opinion here as well and i will also give a chance to Sera until episode 22. She has more 17 episodes to fix this darker relationship between the brothers, because this is what kept me glued to the show since the beginning. I really don't give a damn if Sam is darker or different. I really don't give a damn if Dean has trust issues about his brother- ALL OVER AGAIN :wacko: i think we had enough of that and it's time to move forward to see the brothers united again, moving forward to the truth essence of the show, nothing more ;)

Respect goes both ways folks. People are allowed to like the show and express that like as well as their dislike.

No one's opinion of the direction of the show, or the story line is any more valid than anyone elses' - that's why they are our opinions and not facts. (What can I say, I do captain obvious well).

That being said, whatever is being tossed around on other sites, should be left there.

Some people may think that Sera is too adventurous with the direction of the show, and those thoughts are perfectly acceptable - but then again you never hit greatness if you don't risk reaching outside the box.

But what people don't understand is the show can never go back to season 1, it just can't, the characters and the show itself changed way to much.. Shows evolve and change, and we really have no choice to either accept the changes or move on. I never criticized anyone, I just said their loss not mine, I never called anyone stupid either, don't know where that came from.

Places like LJ and the CW lounge hold no weight over me, they can be as bad as TWOP or IMDB, those places are awful to the character Sam and Jared himself. I like the mystery surrounding him, I like the lighting changes and camera angels ;) it's way better than the dark we had before, sometimes it was so dark I couldn't see it.

Online fans are the minority, they don't really count when it comes to ratings...

Disclaimer this is just my opinion, I am not bashing anyone..

April

I am sorry to disagree with you - and remember it is just my opinion and it certainly doesn't mean yours is wrong nor does it mean that I am right.

As a writer (hopefully a pblished one one day!) I believe that stories have to grow and change to continue to be interesting. Who really wants to watch the same thing over and over? Things have to change and change to keep the viewers interest. Obviously Sera is trying out something different and I applaud her for it. Ok so it doesn't seem like the 'old' SN but we don't really want that do we? It would be lazy writing to go back to Season 1.

The only thing I wish is that the angel storyline had been put to bed. I am getting pretty bored of the 'war in heaven' and am more interested in what is happening with Sam and the Campbells. I like Castiel but feel they are hanging on to him because they know he is popular but I get the impression they don't really know what to do with him.

All in all I am finding the new series interesting. I don't know yet if I love it but it always takes me a few episodes to 'get into it!'.

On a shallow note - Sam - you may be evil but boy are you looking fine this season!!!

As i wrote before and i repeat: you don't need to bite the head's off of all the fans who are not enjoying the season as you do.

Thank god we don''t have all the same tastes, if that was the case this would be boring ;)

I have my reasons to criticize the season, you all have your reasons to enjoying it.

Yes, we all have the right to publish our opinions, but you don't need to "jump" into judgments against all the fans who are not enjoying the season as you do.

You are enjoying the season. Good for you, but i can't, because i really didn't catch the vibe or the real reason as why SG decided to go for this route.

You like evil Sam, i don't like evil Sam, because i want Sam to be "cured" so that we can have the brotherly dynamic back? Is so wrong of me to want this??? No...

I don't have to say anymore about my reasons regarding my discontent about the season, because i see i'm one minority here...i'm not a criminal or a lesser fan just because i'm not enjoying the season. Maybe i will enjoy it as long the season goes, but not for now ;)

Don't bite my head off. I really don't need it. Thanks...

I didn't bite your head off. If you read my post again you will see that I state clearly at the beginning that it is only my opinion and that it doesn't mean I am right and you are wrong....

So please - this is a gentle debate and there is no head biting here!!!

Annie,

I think her post was directed at mine above yours, but in which case I didn't bite her head off either ;) or attack her in any way or call her a lesser fan or anything like that... So not sure where she is getting that from..

April

I am not in the least bit worried about Sera Gamble and the way this season is going.

What I find terribly funny is that the same exact thing has happened with the fandom for the past 3 or 4 seasons.

Some fans don't like an episode or two and things on all the boards go to heck in a handbasket. Everyone is up in arms saying how they don't like the way things are going and if they don't change then they're going to quit watching the show...

And to quote Dean's version of Sammy.... "Blah, blah, blah, blah, Blah, blah, blah, blah, Blah, blah, blah, blah, Blah, blah, blah, blah, Blah, blah, blah, blah, Blah, blah, blah, blah...."

Then an episode comes along that everyone (or at least most everyone) likes and suddenly for the majority of the fandom everything is fine and dandy.

So I've decided not to listen to all those fans that are upset and to laugh my butt off at all the excitement it's causing, because one thing is for sure... all it's doing is adding another layer of intrigue to the party and keeping the fans talking about the show.

Love that! That's why I love what's she is doing. She couldn't go back and do everything just like season 1. Sam went to Hell with Lucifer and Michael! There has to be a story with that. They just couldn't jump in the Impala and be like they were...to much has changed. It's going to take time and if it takes 22 episodes for that, so be it. Bring on season 7!!

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I'm really enjoying this season and I was worried because shows often get stale around their 6th or 7th season. Supernatural is the only show that I've watched that has gotten better with time IMO. I think s5 was my favorite. S1 was actually my least favorite..I found the whole storyline line (finding the colt to kill yellow eyes) boring, the boys and John bickered too much, and simply watching the boys hunt a different monster from week to week gets a little old.


I know fans are upset about Sam, but I don't think it would be realistic at all for everything to go back to normal. I didn't expect Sam to be the way he was before being thrown into the pit of hell with Lucifer. His behavior is disturbing but intriguing. I'm questioning whether or not it is even Sam. I have faith that the brothers will have that bond again, but right now I'm enjoying the mystery. And I'm dying to see the next episode.

Just a reminder folks that a moderator has requested that you get back on topic in this thread.

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So please, lets move back to discussing Sera Gamble in Season 6.


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This.


From a totally human point of view, I'd like to add my two cents that writing must be a thankless job. I bet they feel excited about what they're doing with the characters, probably proud of a job well done (or giving it their best), enjoying what the actors and crew are delivering, and then people get angry and don't like it.

I know the have to learn to be thick skinned and that fans are entitled to their opinions. It is after all like Raven said. Just an opinion. But I want to say I feel bad for them when we get mad. I remember feeling so angry at them and criticizing how they were writing Sam/not writing Sam in S4 and I still chaff at that - but somewhere along the way I started thinking of the writers as humans with feelings, doing the best they could and privvy to stuff we are not that informs their decision making and story telling, and how really, they want to please us but still keep an audience of approximately 3 million viewers who are not as nuts as me, so now I've changed my attitude.

:)

I think Sera is doing a great job - I think she is doing what she is doing in an old boys club and has to work twice as hard to overcome the shadow of her beloved mentor. (Well, beloved to most fans.) - So I say Kudos to the lot of them and if I don't like it, and I might turn out not to, that's my problem - but I hope I will continue to like it just the same.

Just another way of looking at it.