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galveston - November 5, 2006 05:21 AM (GMT)
Still checking the finals at sitcomsonline.com. Here you go.

Thursday final ratings

Supernatural received 3.38 million viewers with a 1.4/3 in the 18-49 demographic and a 1.6/3 in the 25-54 category. Interesting how it skews up a whole three tenths once you add the 50 year olds. This series does have older fans. Not every show skews up in the older demo as reported on this site, but Supernatural always does.

Smallville ticked up in the finals to receive 5.01 million viewers, and a 2.1/5 in both 18-49 and 25-54 demos.

The OC edged out Supernatural with 3.39 million viewers and a 1.5/3 in 18-49, 1.6/3 in 25-54 category. It beat them by 1,000 viewers and one tenth in 18-49 demographic. :(

What blows my mind is the performance of frigging Deal or No Deal on NBC for crying out loud. 13.22 million viewers and that's supposed to be the weak network competition. :bang Add in 20.77 million for CSI and 21.02 for your favorite and mine--Grey's Anatomy. :bang

Freyja - November 5, 2006 05:24 AM (GMT)
Yeah I know Galveston, DOND will be taken off Thursday's by the end of the month and replaced with weaker sitcoms. :)

Also Fox is shifting The OC to Wednesday nights for two weeks and if it does well there it will stay. However if it fails then it might be cancelled.

But we always go up and down next week we will go back up again.

April

Dean5339 - November 5, 2006 07:34 AM (GMT)
Also- guess who is in more homes? That's right- FOX. So, to see that they beat us by only 1,000 viewers? Give us the same number of homes.... that's right. We probably have them beat.

1. We are the top 3 (in normal CW shows) and 5 in (reality, wrestling & normal shows). TOP 3!!!

2. With a considerable less amount of households than Fox, and to have stood up by that much... lets just say it's not a pretty sight over at Fox right now.

3. CW is obviously setting up Supernatural as one of it's flagships. With merchandise and a possible companion show to try to repeat the sucess of the show.

So, stop worrying. Everything is going great. Don't see any negative. Yeah, we went down a little this week- big deal. If a week meant life or death- then panic. But, a week is a week. That's all it is.

immie_8 - November 5, 2006 09:58 AM (GMT)
Wow, I didn't know that SN had so many older viewers. I've already posted this at the help desk, but no one's answered yet, so I'm going to ask again here. What do all those tenths mean? I've tried looking it up on other pages and every time I try to read an explanation I get confused. Could one of you more ratings savvy ppl please help me out here? Thanks!!!

escapism101 - November 5, 2006 12:21 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Dean5339 @ Nov 5 2006, 03:34 AM)
2. With a considerable less amount of households than Fox, and to have stood up by that much... lets just say it's not a pretty sight over at Fox right now.


Dean5339 -- you hit the nail on the head. Since the CW isn't available in all areas, that makes the ratings a bit skewed. I am convinced we have a lot more viewers out there then the ratings show but those people are having to go to YouTube to watch the episodes. I also think we dipped a bit because it was the season premiere of The OC. People were curious as to how that show was going to work having killed off a major character. Judging from the less then stellar performance (The OC was down something like 45% from last year), people tuned in, watched, and then left to go do something else. I suspect we will see a return in some of those numbers this week.

As for the tenths (hopefully I am explaining it right)....ratings are done in percentages not whole numbers. From the Neilson site...there is an estimated 130.6 people between the ages of 18-49 in America (the key demographic) so 1% of those equals 1.31 million people. Remember not everybody has one of those cool little ratings recorder in their homes and most homes have more then one TV -- this is one of the reason that many in the industry are calling for a new way to count ratings. The old way is just that...old and antiquated and is probably not truly representing the face of the average television viewer.

hermitme - November 5, 2006 02:30 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (escapism101 @ Nov 5 2006, 12:21 PM)
I also think we dipped a bit because it was the season premiere of The OC. People were curious as to how that show was going to work having killed off a major character. Judging from the less then stellar performance (The OC was down something like 45% from last year), people tuned in, watched, and then left to go do something else. I suspect we will see a return in some of those numbers this week.

escapism you got the clincher right there. The season premiers are always pretty high and if the OC only beat SN by 1,000 viewers that speaks volumes. SN's premier was way higher than the OC.

I really don't think we have much to worry about.


jadams04 - November 5, 2006 02:49 PM (GMT)
Personally I'm not worried either. The numbers will go up next week.

Hermitme and escapism I think you're right.

Is DOND on thursdays?

JessicaRae - November 7, 2006 01:14 AM (GMT)
Personally, it doesn't make sense to me to compare the CW with CBS, NBC, ABC, and FOX because most people can only get the CW if they have cable or satelite. DESPITE it being a supposed local network station. :huh:

It makes more sense to me to compare it to other cable/satelite networks like USA, SciFi, and TBS and so on. Then Supernatural's ratings are pretty darn good. I mean, Stargate was getting 4.1 on average for ratings and SciFi thought that was great. Supernatural with 3.38....

I think a good promotion campaign would be for the CW to make deals and get their shows, Supernatural especially, promoted on other cable/satelite networks. I'll bet money they'd get even better ratings. There is just no way they can compete with CBS, ABC, NBC, and FOX when everyone gets those networks but not many can get the CW locally...

jennmbc - November 7, 2006 01:31 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Dean5339 @ Nov 5 2006, 07:34 AM)
Also- guess who is in more homes? That's right- FOX. So, to see that they beat us by only 1,000 viewers? Give us the same number of homes.... that's right. We probably have them beat.

1. We are the top 3 (in normal CW shows) and 5 in (reality, wrestling & normal shows). TOP 3!!!

2. With a considerable less amount of households than Fox, and to have stood up by that much... lets just say it's not a pretty sight over at Fox right now.

3. CW is obviously setting up Supernatural as one of it's flagships. With merchandise and a possible companion show to try to repeat the sucess of the show.

So, stop worrying. Everything is going great. Don't see any negative. Yeah, we went down a little this week- big deal. If a week meant life or death- then panic. But, a week is a week. That's all it is.

I totally agree, I think that SN will be ok. Not that I would be opposed to any kind of letter writing campaigne (I saw that on some thread in here I get lost). I hope that the CW is setting SN to be a flagship show. I also think rerunning the eps on Sunday will help draw in viewers too.

Supernaturally Obsessed - November 7, 2006 11:31 AM (GMT)
Like I said when the fast nationals came out, a one week dip is okay, it's not going to kill us. Now, if the numbers continue to drop, then hit the panic button. I don't foresee that happening any time soon.

midsummersnight678 - November 7, 2006 04:25 PM (GMT)
ahh no that sux. I saw the One Tree Hill ratings and i cnat believe that OTH is doing better than Supernatural..

wenart25 - November 7, 2006 04:27 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (midsummersnight678 @ Nov 7 2006, 04:25 PM)
ahh no that sux. I saw the One Tree Hill ratings and i cnat believe that OTH is doing better than Supernatural..

Well, that was one night in the ratings!!! I would not worry about that!!!

Peace!!!

Freyja - November 8, 2006 05:46 PM (GMT)
I decided we should start a CW Ratings Thread for all the CW shows Including SN.

So post all ratings here as we get them. So we can keep track of how the shows are doing and not have multiple threads floating around.

So here are Tuesday's Numbers for fast nationals.


Prime-Time Metered Market Tuesday Ratings: ABC Dances to Victory; CBS No. 3 in Election Night Coverage

Tuesday 11/07/06 Metered Market Ratings

NETWORK HH RATING/SHARE
ABC 11.2/16
CBS 7.7/11
Fox 7.6/11
NBC 5.2/8
CW 2.8/4

Note: Due to Election night coverage, overnight comparisons to the year-ago evening are excluded. As a reminder, the fast national results for Tuesday will be posted at www.pifeedback.com at 12 p.m. ET. Go to the website, click on Ratings Box (the first category), then Last Night's Results, and Tuesday, Nov. 7, 2006.

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-Yesterday's Winners:
Dancing With the Stars (ABC), NCIS (CBS), House (Fox)

-Yesterday's Losers (excluding repeats):
Friday Night Lights (NBC), Standoff (CBS), Veronica Mars (CW)

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-Ratings Breakdown:
Led by the countdown to the season-finale of Dancing With the Stars and Election Night coverage, ABC dominated Tuesday, with an average overnight rating advantage over second-place CBS of a hefty 45 percent. Expect ABC to also rule once the fast national rating results are posted at www.pifeedback.com at 12 p.m. ET.

A half-hour clips edition of the addictive Dancing With the Stars opened the evening for ABC with a first-place 12.9 rating/19 share at 8 p.m. That led into the one-hour semi-finals at a season-high 15.0/21 in the overnights from 8:30-9:30 p.m. As to who is going home tonight (based on their two dances, Mario, Emmitt and Joey are tied with 59 points from the judges), it's time for the former Gimme A Break kid to sadly bid adieu.

Second in the 8 p.m. hour was CBS' rock solid NCIS at a 10.4/15 in the overnights, followed by NBC's struggling Friday Night Lights (4.1/ 6), Fox's poorly relocated Standoff (3.7/ 5), and the CW's diluted Gilmore Girls (3.7/ 5). Comparably, Gilmore Girls on the WB on the year-ago evening was considerably more potent at a 5.3/ 8 (on Tuesday, Nov. 8, 2005).

Opposite the final half-hour of ABC's Dancing With the Stars (plus the first half-hour of ABC's Election coverage), Fox's House stood tall with a second-place 11.4/16 in the overnights from 9-10 p.m. (and an expected first-place finish among adults 18-49 once the fast nationals are released). Comparably, House built from anemic lead-in Standoff by a mammoth 208 percent in rating and 11 share points.

Third in the overnights in the 9 p.m. hour was CBS' The Unit (7.2/10), which remains a compatible fit out of NCIS. NBC's Law & Order: Criminal Intent ranked fourth with a 5.9/ 8 (44 percent above lead-in Friday Night Lights), followed by the CW's still struggling Veronica Mars (2.0/ 3). To the fans wondering if the CW will give Veronica Mars a back-nine episode order, my guess is yes given the lack of upcoming new midseason programming options.

ABC got a jump on Election Night coverage, with a 9.3/13 in the overnights in the 9:30 p.m. half-hour (out of Dancing With the Stars, of course). In the battle of the Election coverage from 10-11 p.m., ABC remained the top choice, followed by NBC and CBS. Take a look:

Tuesday 10-11 p.m. Election Night Coverage
ABC: 6.6/11, NBC: 5.3/ 8, CBS: 4.5/ 7

Don't forget, for a more detailed analysis using fast national data, go to www.pifeedback.com at 12 p.m., click on Ratings Box (the first category), then Last Night's Results, and Tuesday, Nov. 7, 2006.


Looks Like VM is Dead against House as predicted. But look at the Drop of with Gilmore Girls. A lot of fans are upset with the pairing of C/L

April

galveston - November 8, 2006 06:14 PM (GMT)
She's deader than dead. :( Berman corrected his viewer number at the end of his thread at his pifeedback.com site. VM received 2.85 million viewers and a 1.3 demo. I believe GG only received 4.3 million and change. That Lorelai /Christopher storyline is sure reeling them in. :lol:

wenart25 - November 8, 2006 06:17 PM (GMT)
That is an excellent idea April!!

As for the ratings for last night...well according to Marc Berman..VM got 2.85 million viewers...

Peace!!!

hermitme - November 8, 2006 08:50 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (galveston @ Nov 8 2006, 06:14 PM)
She's deader than dead. :(

Not yet galveston, cheer up. He said that the CW really doesn't have much for mid-season, so I'm thinking maybe VM may still have a chance.

Freyja - November 8, 2006 11:54 PM (GMT)
Thanks for pinning the thread hermitme :)

Also breaking news VM just got a 3 episode order bringing it's total to 16. While OTH received 1 additional episode order.

http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/blog...54-f6a9592ebaf1

April

wenart25 - November 8, 2006 11:56 PM (GMT)
So that would mean 16 episodes for VM and 14 episodes for OTH for this season..correct April?

Well..hopefully the CW will change their mind and order the other 6 episodes that VM deserves!!

Thanks for posting that!!!

Peace!!!

Freyja - November 9, 2006 12:04 AM (GMT)
Yep Wenart

Either OTH got 1 or 3 episode order she wasn't clear on that.

If OTH got 3 additional episodes then both shows have a total of 16 episodes for the season.

April

wenart25 - November 9, 2006 12:06 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Freyja @ Nov 9 2006, 12:04 AM)
Yep Wenart

Either OTH got 1 or 3 episode order she wasn't clear on that.

If OTH got 3 additional episodes then both shows have a total of 16 episodes for the season.

April

Thanks for clearing that up for me April! Well...it kinda sucks that VM was not given the rest of the back nine. I think that VM deserves it a lot more than OTH getting any additional eppies ordered. Oh well...at least VM got an additional 3, which is something..you know!!

Peace!!!

Freyja - November 9, 2006 12:08 AM (GMT)
I think Dawn is fighting real hard for VM lmao and is like screw OTH hahahah

There is no offical word just Kristin's gossip just we will have to wait and see what the offical word is.

It's funny I want her to move SN back to Tuesday's at 9pm and put VM against Grey's and see what happens. :lol: I am real mean.

April

wenart25 - November 9, 2006 12:10 AM (GMT)
That is extremely mean April!! :lol: :lol: :lol: If VM was in SN timeslot...VM ratings would be horrendous!! I mean really bad..bad, bad!!!

I like SN where it is!! But then again..that is me!!!

Peace!!

Shaylen - November 9, 2006 12:26 AM (GMT)
So what happens if they drop VM..do they have new shows they will put on in its place??I just know how all this stuff works..tring to figure it out.

hvstmn247 - November 9, 2006 12:28 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Freyja @ Nov 9 2006, 12:08 AM)
I think Dawn is fighting real hard for VM lmao and is like screw OTH hahahah

There is no offical word just Kristin's gossip just we will have to wait and see what the offical word is.

It's funny I want her to move SN back to Tuesday's at 9pm and put VM against Grey's and see what happens. :lol: I am real mean.

April

I gotta say that Kristin V is not the most reliable sccoper but We will see. I hope for VM fans that it is true although why not just renew the show for 22 then?

I am confused b/c I assumed OTH had 22 episodes is that not the case?

wenart25 - November 9, 2006 12:33 AM (GMT)
No..OTH was always a 13 episode pick-up....with the option of ordering the back nine to make it a full season. Instead...based on what KV stated...OTH got either a one episode pick-up or three? That is unclear which it is.

Peace!!!

wenart25 - November 9, 2006 12:38 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Shaylen @ Nov 9 2006, 12:26 AM)
So what happens if they drop VM..do they have new shows they will put on in its place??I just know how all this stuff works..tring to figure it out.

The CW has what are known as mid-season replacement shows that they show at mid-season. These shows usually take the place of a show that is already on the air. So for instance..the CW could take VM off the air and then put Hidden Palms it is timeslot..to see how well it does with the viewers. The mid-season replacement shows usually have already a set amount of episodes that have been ordered...so if the ratings are good..then it stays on the air until the episode run is over..and then they could put back on VM to finish its seasons run.

If the mid-season replacement shows do well..there is a chance that they could be given another season. I hope that helps!!

Peace!!

wenart25 - November 9, 2006 04:46 PM (GMT)
Well...here are Wednesday nights ratings...


Posted 09 November 2006 11:37 AM 09 November 2006 11:37 AM
Prime-Time Wednesday Ratings:
ABC Wins, CBS a Close Second, Fox’s The O.C. DOA in Midweek

Wednesday 11/08/06
Metered Market Ratings

Household Rating/Share
ABC 10.6/16
CBS 9.5/14
NBC 5.4/ 8
Fox 4.3/ 6
CW 3.5/ 5

-Percent Change From the Comparable Year-Ago Evening (Wednesday 11/09/05)
(The CW is compared to the UPN’s combination of America’s Next Top Model and Veronica Mars)
ABC: +25, CBS: no change, CW: - 5, Fox: -12, NBC: -23

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Fast Nationals

-Total Viewers:
ABC: 15.10 million, CBS: 14.67, NBC: 7.56, Fox: 5.53, CW: 4.45

-Adults 18-49:
ABC: 5.1 rating/13 share, CBS: 4.5/12, NBC: 3.0/ 8, Fox: 2.2/ 5, CW: 2.1/ 5

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-Yesterday’s Winners:
Dancing With the Stars Results Show (ABC), Lost (ABC), Criminal Minds (CBS), CSI: NY (CBS)

-Honorable Mention:
America’s Next Top Model (CW)

-Yesterday’s Losers:
The O.C. (Fox), The Nine (ABC)

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-Ratings Breakdown:
First, and foremost, the next time someone mentions that variety is dead in prime time, remind that person of Dancing With the Stars, which is now the true definition of that genre. On that note, ABC danced its way to another Wednesday victory, with a first-place finish in the overnights, total viewers and adults 18-49. The live Dancing With the Stars Results Show (so long, Joey Lawrence) kicked-off the evening for ABC with a 14.3 rating/21 share in the overnights, 20.64 million viewers and a 5.2 rating/15 share among adults 18-49 -- a time period high. Tied for second in the hour was Fox’s Bones (Overnights: #2, 6.1/ 9; Viewers: #2, 7.53 million; A18-49: #3, 2.8/ 7) and CBS’ soon-to-temporarily exit Jericho (Overnights: #3, 6.0/ 9; Viewers: #2, 9.79 million; A18-49: #2, 3.0/ 8). For more on Jericho, see TV Tidbits below.

Over at NBC, a two hour edition of The Biggest Loser (in place of former occupants 30 Rock and 20 Good Years) was not the biggest loser with an overall third-place 5.0/ 7 in the overnights, 7.30 million viewers and a 3.1/ 8 among adults 18-49 from 8-10 p.m. Following last week’s clips show, America’s Next Top Model on the CW bounced back with a healthy 4.5/ 7 in the overnights (#5), 5.39 million viewers (#5) and a 2.6/ 7 (#4t) among adults 18-49. Comparatively, that was virtually equal to it’s year-ago performance on UPN (on Wednesday, Nov. 9, 2005).

In the 9-10 p.m. battle of ABC’s Lost versus CBS’ booming Criminal Minds, it was another week of shared leadership. Lost was second in the overnights (11.6/17) and total viewers (17.10 million) and first among adults 18-49 (7.0/17), while Criminal Minds was just the opposite with an 11.7/17 in the overnights (#1), 17.54 million viewers (#1) and a second-place 5.1/12 among adults 18-49. As for Lost, considering we now have to wait another three months for an original episode, I wish there would have been some sort of resolution -- anything -- last night. Why we needed another back-story on Kate’s shady past (which revealed nothing new about the character) was beyond me. J.J. -- what’s going on?

Fox took a major tumble, meanwhile, at 9 p.m. with a last-minute telecast of fading The O.C. sinking to a mere 2.6/ 4 in the overnights (#4), 3.53 million viewers (#4) and a 1.5/ 4 among adults 18-49 (#4t). Comparatively, that was just about equal to its anemic season-opener last Thursday, with retention out of lead-in Bones of just 43 percent in the overnights, 47 percent in total viewers and 54 percent among adults 18-49. Since I am not a loyal fan of The O.C., is this sharp decline just a reflection of the absence of Mischa Barton?

Also at 9 p.m. was the CW’s One Tree Hill at a typical 2.5/ 4 in the overnights (#5), 3.52 million viewers (#5) and a 1.5/ 4 among adults 18-49 (#4t).

At 10 p.m., CBS’ CSI: NY remains the show to beat with a healthy 10.7/17 in the overnights, 16.69 million viewers and a 5.4/15 among adults 18-49. A distant second was NBC’s Dateline (Overnights: 6.3/10; Viewers: 8.07 million; A18-49: 3.0/ 8), followed by ABC’s struggling The Nine at a 5.8/ 9 in the overnights (#3), 7.57 million viewers (#3) and a 3.0/ 8 among adults 18-49 (#2t). Comparably, that put retention for The Nine out of Lost of just 50 percent in the overnights, 44 percent in total viewers and 43 percent among adults 18-49.

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

It looks like the OC beat OTH by only 1,000 viewers! The OC is dead!

All this can be found at: http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/97010691

Peace!!!!

Freyja - November 9, 2006 05:09 PM (GMT)
Ouch see I knew The OC and OTH would cancel each other out. LOL

Still OTH did better than expected.

April

galveston - November 9, 2006 05:20 PM (GMT)
Well all I have to say is thank God Dancing With the Stars performed so well. I was on the edge of my seat all night worried about it. I couldn't sleep, I tell you.

clois4ever - November 9, 2006 05:42 PM (GMT)
Next week One Tree Hill has it super easy if they do not leave The OC there it vertially has no comp which is a bit unfair.

I wish some of these shows where not doing as well b/c it makes me more worried about SN doing well this week. I hope Linda Blair being on would help.


I kindof wished they where moving the oc to Wends so SN could get a break.

Freyja - November 9, 2006 05:52 PM (GMT)
Actually The OC will be on Wednesday nights for a couple of weeks ;)

But if The OC continues to do poorly then I can see FOX Yanking it.

April

wenart25 - November 9, 2006 06:10 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Freyja @ Nov 9 2006, 05:52 PM)
Actually The OC will be on Wednesday nights for a couple of weeks ;)

But if The OC continues to do poorly then I can see FOX Yanking it.

April

Yep..so do I. I mean it had the same reaction on Wed nights that it did this past Thursday...only beat a CW show by 1,000 viewers!

The OC is dead. I think that FOX could keep the OC on Thursday and Wednesday nights and just let it die off.

Or as April said...if it continues to do badly...FOX could yank it all together!!!

Peace!!

lambforever - November 9, 2006 06:16 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Freyja @ Nov 9 2006, 05:52 PM)
Actually The OC will be on Wednesday nights for a couple of weeks ;)

But if The OC continues to do poorly then I can see FOX Yanking it.

April

Really ok I just thought this was a one time thing.


BTW I heard some rumors that Fox is not even sure they want The OC to go on to the 16 episodes that where orderd. I know Rachel Bilson and Adam Broody have both said they want the show to end this year and said the producers may eaither focas on the younger OC cast or just end the show this year. Eaither way I think this is the last herrah for the OC.


I also heard the CW may be trying to decide between keeping OTH and VM and are not sure which one. I have to say with ATM being the highest rated show and GG being done after this year and OTH getting better ratings I am not sure things are looking to good for VM.

Freyja - November 9, 2006 06:34 PM (GMT)
Well VM did get an additional 3 episode order bringing it's total to 16 :) While OTH only got 1 or 3 as well not too clear on that.

If they really had to choose they would pick VM over OTH.

Yeah you are right about The OC. I have a feeling they will leave it on Wed and Thurs to burn off the rest of the episodes. Unless they cut it back to 13.. Fox can not afford to have this during sweeps. Being beat by The CW.

April

galveston - November 9, 2006 06:44 PM (GMT)
One Tree Hill will have enough problems when American Idol premieres in the spring. The results show on Wednesdays have always aired at 9. OTH and American Idol share exactly the same demographic.

lambforever - November 9, 2006 06:48 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Freyja @ Nov 9 2006, 06:34 PM)
Well VM did get an additional 3 episode order bringing it's total to 16 :) While OTH only got 1 or 3 as well not too clear on that.

If they really had to choose they would pick VM over OTH.

Yeah you are right about The OC. I have a feeling they will leave it on Wed and Thurs to burn off the rest of the episodes. Unless they cut it back to 13.. Fox can not afford to have this during sweeps. Being beat by The CW.

April

I am really pulling for VM just b/c it's a better show and I think it has more potential and the people on VM can act so yeah. Heck even some OTH fans are saying they would pick VM over OTH.

wenart25 - November 9, 2006 07:15 PM (GMT)
Well last night I was surfing the CW OTH boards and some are the fans are pissed that OTH did not get a full season pick-up! I mean one poster even said...something to the effect of..We were lied too!!! Apparently..they always thought that OTH was going to run for a full season...(***walks away quitely...not going to say anything that will get me into trouble*******)

Another poster said...if we do not get a full season...I am not watching the CW anymore..no matter what they are showing. OTH is my life. (paraphrased)

Well...I still think the CW will keep VM over OTH...because of the quality of the show is better!!

OTH has gone down hill so much...it is awful!!!

It will be interesting to see what happens!!

Peace!!

Freyja - November 9, 2006 07:28 PM (GMT)
Well let's put it this way if Hidden Palms goes post OTH for midseason and does better than OTH. OTH is gone!

Dawn will keep VM over OTH. Quailty wise VM is a much better show, acting wise it's still better.

The CW never lied to them about VM or OTH. Both were always 13 episode orders with the option for the back 9. Or if Ratings were so bad cut back to 9..

The only shows at the beginning that were for 22 episodes GG, SV and SN. Drama wise, and the comedies.

Really they have nothing to go with SV that won't get trampled by Grey's, CSI and DOND.

Besides SV and SN are the male demo's they want :)

April

SupernaturalFan06 - November 10, 2006 12:56 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (galveston @ Nov 5 2006, 05:21 AM)


Supernatural received 3.38 million viewers



What ?!!? We stayed at 3.38 mil. is that not what the original numbers were? This sucks now the OC beat us. I was content with tying the OC but now they beat us....we need supernatural getting better numbers so it will for sure get another season.....Lets hope tonight gets better ratings with Linda Blair.

wenart25 - November 10, 2006 02:57 AM (GMT)
You and I know that...but some people on the board refuse to believe that....that the OTH was not given a full season in the beginning. I kinda think that it is funny!!!

Peace!!




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