I see one of the clubs out west is running a AX-10 spec class.... and it had been discussed among some of our SERCRC guys a little. How much interest would there be in something like this? I think it'd be kinda neat. A "drivers" class.

Copied from ORCRC...

Ax10 Scorpion Spec Class Rules.

- A 45t, 55t, or 65t lathe motor ONLY!
- Any standard sized steering servo mounted in the stock location.
- Any ESC you wish.
- Voltage Regulators are ok.
- Any gearing you wish. No reductions.
- Any battery pack you wish. Battery Location is up to you.
- You must run the Axial 2.2 beadlocks and the Rock Lizard tires. (Regular or sticky)

You may alter:

- Springs, shock oil, preload. You may use other stock mounting holes for shocks/links. No modifying of the chassis/links allowed! You may add/remove springs. Limit straps allowed.
- You may add weight (airsoft bb's, lead), but no more than 12oz total.
-You may add/remove/cut foams.
-Any body you like, but it must follow the USRCCA rules of 70%, 1/10th scale...
-You may put the Electronics anywhere you like.

There has been some discussion for this class.
I really like the idea of a Spec class and Hope it takes off.

( I dont have an Ax-10 and not sure when I will )

I would love to ssee that,but would it kill off the supers spec2.2 and "super2.2" class ?

or run the 2.2 w/out dig that would make MORE of a drivers class,, I mean ,,the 2.2 trucks are now getting ,well look at kenny 7th place in finals (super finals ) with a 2.2 lose the dig and bring them back where they first started ! less crap to break less excuses to make just who drove the best. my2cents

Not to get off the subject, but that was 1 location ...........at Buck's Pocket this weekend a 2.2 would not have made it past the third gate on the Supers courses.

Hell most of the 2.2's didn't make it past the 3rd gate on the 2.2 courses

In theory spec class is a great idea, but how would it be executed? I have no plans to quit Super, and even if I am the last one doing it then I build courses for me to drive on and claim victory.

I personally have no interest in starting a separate 3rd class, so the only way I see SERCRC using a "Spec Class" is as sub-class of 2.2. They run the same courses as Comp 2.2, and the scores will be broke out as a separate category. Drivers would still only be allowed to drive 1x truck in 2.2 class.

The other option would be someone volunteers to handles everything regarding the Ax10 class. Tech, Course building, scoring, etc. I will bring my AX10 to drive, but that will be the extent of my involvement.

I like that idea of running the spec through the same courses as the 2.2 and then separate the scores after the comp. That will at least allow some newer folks to get started and then maybe step up to the 2.2 comp class. Or if that class grows really well, then someone could take the lead on running seperate courses.

Right, right... thumbsup.gif

Why is there a limit on the turn of the motor but not the voltage of the battery?? If I am stuck with a 45t then I am running a 5 cell lipo.................... Besides me and Gatekeeper ar starting a new trend, RockCross!!! I have already started on my Scorpion with touring car shocks and 3800kv brushless system. :flipoff:

I like the idea, if some one will take responibility for running it. But my Ax-10 is already a GC-1 and I can't buy anymore RC for at least 6 months. It has been mentioned that If we had a couple of truck that several people could drive the same truck.

I do think it would be cool to have a drivers class. But Austin D would still win!

I'm giving his awesomely set-up rig all the credit for his success.... if we were driving identical trucks, everyone would kick Austin's ass!!! :flipoff:

:P

Hell I drive a clone of his truck and he still bets me by a good margine. When he builds and learns to drive a super it's game over! '08 Nationals will be the Austin Dunn Show!

I have watched austin d drive ,a good bit he can quickly see stuff and lines that are amazing, I must bow down and give credit where it is due, he may rule the 2.2 for years to come, wright now it looks that way. but there is allways some one lurking in the shadows before austin, kenny was the 2.2 king . csr was the first king of the supers ,,erum yea what ever happened to that csr guy? But then what do I know, I failed to make the finals my last time out ! my truck (and driving) sucks !!!!!!!!!!! HOW EVER I know the self proclaimed gods of rock crawling out in moab got a mouth full of what the sercrc has to offer, there is some great drivers in this club !!!!!!!!!!!!(my self not included of course) I wonder how long it will take before there is an eastcoat natinals where we are the host club! just a matter of time comps should follow the talent not the other way around ! lol

here is the s and the o I left out !

In our dreams, no way they could handle the magical rocks we have down here!
I have no problem driving out west to show the boys how we do it down here in the dirty south!!! sspank

I'm all for it.

I know at this point it's pretty hard to get into SERCRC and be competitive without spending some serious change. Face it, if you want to be competitive in even 2.2 nowadays you're looking at spending at least $600 on a rig and double that for a super. The days of the $500 crawler are gone, and you can tell just by looking at the super class.

I'd like to get back in, but frankly I'm not going to spend $700 on what used to be the cheap class, and I feel sorry for anyone else that is looking at getting into the hobby because there really isn't an easy or affordable way to crawl anymore.

The AX10 gives you a decent, strong crawler that can be rtr for under $500 if you play your cards right. True, the same ol' guys are probably going to dominate the class, but frankly that doesn't matter because at least it's not because of their budget. I'm not ragging on anyone, but again, face it, it costs a pretty lofty sum to compete nowadays.

I really don't see not having time as much of an argument because our super class is basically dead. We went from having 20+ supers in a comp to not even having enough for a top ten anymore. I'm not suggesting that we kill the class, but it does allow for more time in the day.

Again, I'm just looking at this from the point of someone looking to get into the hobby without spending a few paychecks.

Just keep it simple, and stick with the Oregon rules and vuala you have a class that everyone can compete in on a level playing field.

Who would run it? We would, it would be a pretty sad day as a club if we couldn't add a class because no one in an entire club would help score and set up courses, I mean come on, lets get our shit together here.

my2cents

Heck maybe a year ago.

If you add up every nut and bolt in my super it's in the neighborhood of $2,000. :blink: You have to have 2 ESC and a good radio to be competative in super now.

Haven't added up the 2.2 but I bet it's pushing a grand if not a little more.

I feel ya on the cost of the super and 2.2. I am not that high in the super but it is up there. That is why I protect my shit like it was my child.

That can be a challenge for you Chewy to prove us all wrong and make a 2.2 or super that cost <$500 and compete. I think it can be done. hell jeff did it with his super and then one day the shit hit the fan and it turned from a $300 crawler to a freakin atm on wheels

Really? Dang, I missed that memo.

Who was in charge of the TPS Reports!?!

That's not my point, the point is that this presents a major problem for anyone that wants to get into crawling and wants to be part of SERCRC.

It's going to be hard too bring in new people if its that expensive to build a truck and compete, the AX10 class would solve that.

I remember back in the olden days, how hard it was to get people in when crawling was cheaper then racing ...

True, I agree that the ax-10 class would help solve that and bring more people into crawling but also people dont have to go and buy the best there is to be competitive.

Sorry Sven but you are a great example, still running stock tlt axles (no cvds/ring and pinions) he has a custom made chassis. The most expensive thing he has on that 2.2 is the mamba maxx. Correct me if I am wrong on anything Sven.

Also look at his super. Home made chassis, one mamba max, same radio for 2.2 and super (I think)......

The whole thing I am trying to say is that you are right about that the ax-10 class would help suck new people into this addicting hobby and allow them to not spend tons of $$$ but get their feet wet. They would be able to just put the kit together and come and compete and have a good time.

BUT my other point is that we dont have to neccessarily start a whole new class because of new people and the thought that you have to spend $$$ to be competitive. People just have to realize where they can cut corners and other ways around spending so much $$$.

Hell Highmark, I have seen you run at best a hitec 645 (maybe a 5645) I cant remember but you still have beat the crap out of others with lets say robot servos or some of the expensive JR servos (me being one of them) and also with a $2 chassis.

New people need to realize that it takes time and driving time to help with being competitive, esp. now. Talking with fellow members also helps out a lot b/c they know things that new people dont and can help them.

I thought the whole reason for this hobby was for fun :flipoff:

OPPS!!! well....ummmm....okay you got me

You need that stuff if you can't drive at good as Sven!!!

RCA is trying to start an AX10 spec class for locals to get a taste of competitive crawling. Hopefully a few will get hooked and take it up a notch and join SERCRC.

Call me crazy, but I am willing to bet if they are not serious enough to build a competition rig then they probably won't be into it enough to drive from Atlanta, GA to Green River, KY with their stock AX10.


If you really want to see the sport grow.........start an AX10 spec class locally.





BTW......Super is not dead

Kamikaze, Rxcrawler, Rindean, Yukon635, Fishmaxx, TheRooster, Tltryan, Sven, Heavy, Raytard, Badd, and Destroyer all still have Supers.

Gatekeeper is gathering parts to build one, and I a betting Joebruiser & son will be back again.

My funds are going to to tight for awhile.

With that being said I really want to see the AX 10 SPec class take off.

I still have 2 Super class trucks and will run one of them, but I dont feel they are
truly comp worthy. Which have around 1500 in the Stick it really discourages me.
But thats just the nature of the sport.
I wont get started on the TXT-1 topic.

I have to remind myself that I am there for the fun. Yes I want to win, but even if I do that doesnt pay the mortgage.

I do feel that new people are at a severe disadvantage with the lack of a newbie class.

Lets talk about who this spec class is really for.

Is it mainly for newbs and those that are on a tight budget then it will be set up with fairly tight restrictions so everyone is on a level playing field.

If that's the case then they can run on the same courses with "2.2 Comp" crawlers, and if a few of the old timers want drop down to "Spec" thats ok. That would be easy to do. thumbsup.gif

If its just 2nd 2.2 Class that everyone competes in?
How is that saving money?
Now I have to build a 3rd truck?

We can start a "Spec Class", and set it so its truely for newbs/those on a tight budget by saying you must pick one.........2.2 Comp or 2.2 Spec ............not both.

I am all for bring new people into the sport, but I have zero interest in creating a NEW class for the same old regulars to drive in.


BTW.......What about Scale??? If we are going to start a entirely new class lets start doing scale

:soupbox:

I second that !!!!

The scale class is there, it's just no one wants to work with it enough to make it happen, I think there's a fear of change or something. I tried to make it work and set up dates but everything always interfered with the regular comp schedule.

I see the spec class coming about a lot easier, just run them on the 2.2 courses and separate the scores at the end of the day. Keep the rules simple, keep the trucks stock aside from a little tunning, and use the honor system for tech inspection. If someone cheats then it sucks to be them.

Simple as that, it's pretty painless really.

Really though, I just want to see something happen, be it a scale class, or a spec class, there has to be some way for people to get into the club and get interested just like any other organization. Don't let it go the way of the forum that's never going to be up and running, just get out and get it done already.

Either way I want to build something, if it's a budget buster so be it.

So which is it? ZERO interest or start a new class? :flipoff: :P

I was looking at the spec class from a newbie standpoint. Having not competed in 2.2" Class in a long time... that's basically what I'll be next season! A 2.2" newb!

I see both sides of the debate. A "beginner" class, so to speak, would help a new guy get started without having to lay down major coin. But 3 seperate classes would be hard to manage. We're using every second of daylight at some of our comps with only two classes!

Anyway, I'll be kicking y'alls asses next year with a 2.2".... whether it be in regular ol' 2.2" Class or Spec!!! :lol:

I must have missed it......when did this happen? :ahhhhhhh:

Its closer to happening than you think thumbsup.gif

Yeah you where too busy not be involved after the rules where done, sorry I forget the exact wording.


The forum hasn't seen any progress since May, who are you kidding?

I promise you thats not true. thumbsup.gif

Just for argument sakes let ignore the part about not enough time in the day. (Fact of the matter is we have alot less Supers now anyways)

I'd love to see the spec class thing happen, for 2 reasons: 1. it would be a cheap way for newbies to enter the sport and have a chance to be competetive. 2. I would be cool to have some of the "top guys" competeting with spec trucks.

I think someone that is wanting this to happen should step up to the plate and take charge of it. I also would like the chance to run both classes, 2.2 comp and 2.2 spec. If you have to run either or then if only 2 people come that are newbies and running "spec" then they don't have anyone to compete with. Where as if we have several people running spec then they can actually see how good or bad they are.

my2cents

Its a fact that can't be ignored. The guys that still drive Supers are the ones that come to most of the comps, and do most of the work on comp day.

For the sake of argument let say I agree, so lets come up with a plan.


The facts............

Even before time limits the average was about 10 minutes per driver per course.

We start actually driving around 9:30 sometimes 10:00

Last few Comps had between 15-20 drivers in 2.2 Comp.

With divided groups thats between 2 hours to 3 hours for each course.




Questions

How do we set the running orders?

Do we build separate courses for 2.2 Spec and 2.2 Comp?

If we don't build separate courses which do we run first Comp or Spec?

If we don't build separate courses will the drivers that don't drive both claim the others drivers are pre-running?

How many drivers do expect to run in spec class? ........I am guessing 6-12 based on who already have AX10's, potential newbs and those that said they wanted to (Gatekeeper, Kamikaze, Fishmaxx, Tltryan, RxCrawler, CSR, RCXJ, ........)

How many courses will they run?

Would the Spec Drivers be allowed to use Spec trucks in 2.2 Comp?

In the event we have a large comp.......do we drop Spec Class for those events?

If so how do we determine when to drop spec?

To be truly successful "Spec Class" will need a coordinator. Ideally it would be someone that comes to most of the comps, and is willing to handle getting things done.

Any volunteers?


Any other questions? (Vehicle Specs should be a separate discussion)

im checking this from my phone that is so cool. those are great points and issues ill post up later

Questions

Doesn't matter maybe let the top drivers go first to show the newbies how it's done

Yes maybe the spec class can just run 2 courses and no finals (to save time)

Comp first it's more important

Whiners

I guess thats about right, if not less. Potential newbs is a great point

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No it they are new and want to run spec then thats what they run. If they want to run their "spec" truck in comp than they can't run spec. In the sake of time I don't want to bog down comp with a bunch of spec trucks. In my opinion the spec courses should no be set-up very hard, newbs need drive time.

Depend on how it has been working the first few times

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I nominate CSR, I'll be more than glad to help too.


Any other questions? (Vehicle Specs should be a separate discussion)

Well, I missed this thread..... I will volentere to do anything to help, you know me just hand me the balls and I am off. I feel realy sorry for the newbs when I get the gates. :flipoff:

I really think spec class and 2.2 class should be kept separate. No double participation, which would allow the spec trucks to run the 2.2 courses w/o incurring any prerunning.

That's how other forms of r/c racing work, and I think it would work well here too. Once a spec class competitor feels confident and gains some experience, they can "graduate" to 2.2 class and then run there. Nothing would stop the "pros" from running in the spec class, but they would have to choose which class they wanted to run at that comp; 2.2 or Spec.

Right, right.... :flipoff:

If my comp attendance next year is anything like last year, I definitely don't need to be in charge of it. <_<

X2

Not x 3 (here atleast)