Some things happen at the last Green River Event that several members have expressed concern about.

1) Drinking

2) Sportsmanship

I have some ideas of my own, but would like to hear some thoughts on these 2 topics before starting a Poll.

Thanks

I'll make a go at it:

1) :Pint:

Can't say a whole helluva lot about this one, my only thought is to strongly discourage drinking in the future and call the cops if it gets to wild.

2) Sportsmanship


I never saw a problem with this one, everyone there had a good attitude and everyone was awesome with helping eachother out if they needed parts or help(Thanks Jeremy and Tony).

One thing I did see and didn't think much about until I got home, was when one guys (won't mention names) truck completely quit on the last gate and another compititor reached in to touch the truck ( :ahhhhhhh: ). Fish, me and Heavy all saw it and it was a big "Oh crap-what do we do!?" moment.

For the record, he never touched it, but I do think something needs to be stated in the rules.

Drinking: It wouldn't be fair to say you could drink, but don't get drunk. Some drunk SOB is gonna raise hell when he's asked to leave the event if there are other people at the event that are drinking. With more and more people showing up at events with wives and children, it wouldn't bother me a bit if we adopted a 'no drinking' policy at future gatherings.

Sportsmanship: That'll be a tough one to enforce. I raced for years before getting into crawling..... I haven't seen anything at any of our events that come close to the 'sore-losers' you see at races. I think we do a decent job calling penalties as we see them. There are usually enough witnesses to back up the judges call. If the competitor continues to act unsportsmanlike, we'll kick his ass! How's that for Sportsmanship! :flipoff: :retarded:

Drinking
I dont really care to see people getting drunk at a competition.
Well CSR can get Drunk Before the Event Starts :D
But seriously , I hope it doesnt get to the point of
having a no Drinking rule. Because we shouldnt have to have it to begin with.
People need to realise that when we are at a competition , like it or not spectators will notice a drunk person before anything else.
Also Im sure most states have a open container law , I know GA Does.

Sportsmanship
For the most part I didnt see any of this at Green River.In fact there were more people complaining at Bucks Pocket from what I recall.
Its almost impossible to cover all situations with the rules , so we all just need to remember why we are there.. To Have Fun :cheers:

Drinking.

I hate the idea of a "no drinking" rule, and there has not been a problem, until the last GR event. It always just takes one (or in this case 3) jackass' to ruin it for everyone. As much as I hate it, I think the no drinking rule would be the way to go.


Sportsmanship.

Huh?? I've been to 3 comps now and the only unsportsman-like conduct I've seen was by the drunk guys who have caused the "no drinking rule" and an incident concerning a couple of people arguing over rules. :rolleyes: , but I don't see the latter of those 2 bieng worthy of a sportsmanship thread..


Heavy

Im with heavy on the sportsmanship part I feel that there isnt much wrong we just need to set the rules in stone and beat it into EVERYBODY'S thick head what they mean and be done with it all.I would lend a part to my worst enemy just to make shure he or she gets to compete AGAINST me its no fun to play with yourself :flipoff: The drinking rule or what ever I sadly feel is needed but I also hate to take peoples fun out of the comps but I guess you can stay afterwards and get drunk or be like ----- and get shit faced before you get there. :Pint:

I'm going to have to dissagree...... :retarded:

Aye.....I think JB just needs more practice :rolleyes:


Or maybe he just has not skills :thaking:

I agree with syco on this..........the rules are still very new and there will be a learning curve for all. Heck I was on the rules committee, and I admit I don't have all 4 pages memorized. Complaints about the rules should be addressed here not at comps.

My biggest issue about THE AURGUEMENT in regards to sportsmanship was it was taking place while someone was trying to drive, and I was trying to keep score.

I think its poor sportsmanship to do anything that distracts drivers/judges on the course whether its throwing rocks, excessive talking, or aurguing.

*emphisises the point*

Regarding the complaint about the rules.

Juggalo's girlfriend said herself that she saw the gate marker rule change 3 times.

There should never be an instance where a "judge" :lol: says "in my opinion the rule means this"

So yeah, when it happens at an event and even a bystander is noticing how the rules change, something needs to be said.

I heard two tires cleared a gate, then 3 tires, then that when I went through with 2 and cleared the gate I still got a gate penalty.

However, when Kenny was on the 2nd course he floated a tire over a gate marker, and was close to the tire coming down and hitting the gate, Fish (who's judging) says "Oh, well, you've cleared the gate, it's dead".

Kenny had cleared the gate with a tire outside (above) the marker and didn't receive a gate penalty. Kenny ended up backing up and driving between the gate markers anyway, but Fish had already declared the gate dead and cleared.

When I cleared that last gate with a tire outside the gate, I was penalized.

After seeing Kenny not get penalized, then me getting a penalty, of course I was upset.

My whole point is that the rules need to be consistent. There should be no gray area for someone to say "I think they mean this".

We put gate markers on the course with the intent of people driving between them. If they don't and float a tire over the gate, that's no different than driving over it as far as I'm concerned.

Anyway, just my take on it. Hopefully some of you will understand why I was upset with Fish over the gate marker penalty now.

I have a idea on the floating the tire thing next time at the gr event we will have the little orange flags down in the tennis balls so nobody can float a tire over that should stop that.What I heard at the comp was that if one front and one rear tire cleared the gate it was dead I feel it isnt ment to be that way I say all 4 tires should clear.And gates are live all the time it will make for a better comp cause the better driver will always come out ahead not the guy that thinks of the short cut.This is just my .02 worth anybetter ideas are more than welcome.

The group i was in called the gate clear only when all 4 tires cleared the gate.
As far as I recall thats how it was called at BP as well.

I think when having 2 courses going at once , the 2 judges should get together and discuss the rules.
There isnt a rue for every situation but when something comes up, we need to solve it as quickly as possible.

Seems like a fairly easy to understand rule to me.

Why is this being over complicated? If you mannage to get all four tires through a gate without hitting it, then awesome, you get no gate marker penalty. If one or more tires does not go through the gate or go around the gate then you get a penalty.

Sofa King We Todd Did!

Because we are the "public", so the land is ours to rule over how ever we see fit. :flipoff:

I don't now who you are but when have you seen me drinking during a comp?? :Pint: :Pint:

What the frack!!! I thought this was about having fun? It's takes all the fun out when all people do is BITCH about stupid shit.....I could see it if we where doing this for money. I'm so sick of reading about the same shnit in every thread. (BITCH,BITCH,BITCH) I think at the next Buck's Pocket Comp if people start bitching then they will be ask to leave.............


I total agree with CSR on the drinking thing, not sure about making it a rule.
If your going to drink do it after the comp....

As far as the drinking thing goes kentucky has an open contanier law along with a public intoxication law and If a conservation officer catches your ass close to the water with alcohol you might as well be dead they are way worse here than the cops when it comes to that stuff. O by the way Those damn tri state crawler cookies blow goat's :flipoff:

Creating rules makes people look for ways around the rules.

Just like when people were stradling the gate ( Not Hitting it ) then backing up to get a better line.

You wont hear me yell about a rule. I have always been polite and quiet when I have a question about a certain call/rule.

We should all be there for fun. I know I am.

If we have no rules what determines the winner?

I have had a few people come up to me and talk about the rules , but never really get to festered about them.

The only complaint I had at GR was the Drunk.
I dont agree with a no drinking rule, but common sense should be used.

JIA, welcome to our board!

I am on the rules committee which consists of 7 members. I have 1 vote that represents SERCRC on that committee. So I am only 1/7th of the committee, and before voting I always called/AIM Killer or Highmark to get their opinions. I worked on the rules a lot , and I do the best I can. The fact is I really not that smart, and I have adult ADD.

Every serious competitor should learn the rules backwards and forwards for themselves, so when something comes up they don't have to depend on my recollection of the rules to get it right. I am presently working Official RCC Rules Protest Procedure proposal with Pinchflat that will have to be voted on by the committee. So things like our argument will not happen again.

BTW....Everything you mention is already covered in the rules.

If penalties weren't called on Kenny blame yourself and your fellow drivers not me. When I am keeping score 50% of the time I am looking at the score-sheet. In the drivers meeting everyone was instructed to watch for penalties.

Regarding the "Floating Tire" incident.... the way the rules are written that gate markers are live all the time cleared or not, but that rule was changed in the drivers meeting. :flipoff: If that rule had been left alone then we wouldn't be talk about this now ;)



Syco, the flag thing has been tried, and it didn't work. When the wind blows they move around like crazy. Gate markers end up hitting your truck instead of the other way around. :retarded:

hahah smartass :flipoff:

Hey guys I'm new to this site and the sport.Fish and a couple others have joined our site and we are all looking forward to some great times.My opinion and it's that is that it is everyone's right to do as they please and enjoy themselves,as long as it doesn't infringe on some body elses.I would suggest merely in the meeting at the beginning of the day make all competitors aware that if one person complains about them drinking they must immediatly stop and change their attitude.If they don't they will be asked to leave and awarded a DNF.Also if issued a citation or other action that brings undo bad publicity to entire group you will also be asked to leave.After such an infraction you could be barred from futer events.Nuff said,I think stiff rules work better than banning something because your giving an individual the right to be responsible................Besides that I LOVE TO :Pint: .......................Responsibly :retarded:

drinking before or during a comp @ Bucks pocket could be deadly one good fall w/ super thinned out blood (from drinking) you might not get to the hospital. NO drinking and driving no drinking till you are done and off the course (back at camp) after wards is up to you.
What I did notice at bucks pocket this weekend was the large ammount of profanity .I will say things I need not , but wheen there are people around w/ kids checking it out what kind of message are we sending.
A fourteen yearold sees a comp at a state park w/ his dad wants to try it dad heres everyone cussing and talking crap he might not let jr. play w/ this group.
just a postive immage thing I guess, I maybe way wrong.
There were some drivers wifes and kids here this weekend ,that was awesome! you should be able to bring you three year old to a comp w/out him going to daycare useing the f word !

COuldnt agree more , we do need to pay attention to what we say. Or how loud we say it.

I try not to cuss alot but if it was me , I do apologize

I usually try to watch my language, especially when there are youngsters and parents around. I know I got really frustrated on our 2.2" tie-breaker course and was almost ready to throw a POS Clod across the creek. :flipoff: I'm sure I let a few profane words slip then. I apologize if I offended anyone.

I realized after the last GR comp that I needed to watch my mouth alittle more. I'm never around kids so sometimes I forget. If I forget in the future someone tell me to watch my f'ing mouth.

I want to appologize to everyone too.

My mouth is one, bad, S.O.B.! I can do better, & I'll try!

As my wife say's..." My mouth, don't check w/ my brain first, before speaking"...
The worst part is, my Wife & Kids have to live w/ me.

CSR:

The worst thing you could do to your rigs, would be, to sell them, to me! ;)