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 IC 2139 - Retirement Age
Liberal Reformation Party
Posted: Nov 11 2005, 11:00 PM


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Colleagues,

The LRP has opened up this informative commission to handle out intelligence concerning the professional retirement age.

1. We conclude that employees between 50 and 55 years old suffer from already very important health problems. (OOC: detirmined in a study done by the European Union)

2. Remarkable is the high number of cases of MSD or Musculo Skeletal Disorders, which is a very understandable complaint for employees in the industrial-, service- & building industry. On the other hand is that the work such employees perform most likely is the cause of these complaints. This is comfirmed by study. MSD is detirmined to be the most important and worst complaint when it comes to national health and safety at work.

3. The possibility employees suffer from these complaints increases when they get older, especially when reaching the age of 50 and above.

4. The increase of productivity per employee troubles most of the workers in the category 50-55 years old

5. We also detirmined that older workers often have trouble to adapt to new technologies & developments causing companies to have to invest more in training sessions.

6. We have to show some considiration for the cost of health care, which is still public and free in the Kingdom of Rildanor. The bill for older workers will increase if we keep them longer on the labour market.
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URCW
Posted: Nov 12 2005, 11:17 AM





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We need to raise the retirement age limit so the government can deal with the expenses.

Regarding the fact that elders have a problem adapting to new technologies, we believe that they make up with the experience they accumulated so far. Also it is a personal belief that work is noble and it helps both the spirit and the body. It may be stupid but that is the idea that guides us.

Also since the life expectancy is raising fast we believe it is immoral to live for decades doing nothing while those around you work.
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Liberal Reformation Party
Posted: Nov 12 2005, 11:44 AM


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QUOTE (URCW @ Nov 12 2005, 11:17 AM)
We need to raise the retirement age limit so the government can deal with the expenses.

Regarding the fact that elders have a problem adapting to new technologies, we believe that they make up with the experience they accumulated so far. Also it is a personal belief that work is noble and it helps both the spirit and the body. It may be stupid but that is the idea that guides us.

Also since the life expectancy is raising fast we believe it is immoral to live for decades doing nothing while those around you work.

I agree with you but there need to be some alternatives for workers who are washed out or having trouble with their health after 30 to 35 years of work. An additional problem could be that when there is a closure and several older workers who reached the age of 50 and above need to get a new job, which company would want to hire them when they can get new and young personnel who are faster and cheaper.

I propose that when we are about the raise the retirement age to 60 as the LMP mentioned we add some clausules to the act.
  • Retirement age beginning from the age of 60, is the age when citizens have the right to draw from their retirement funds.
  • The possibility for the retirement to begin from the age of 55 - as some sort of tide over pension/early retirement scheme - under several conditions: due health problems, company closure & company releases.
  • Workers that stay active on the labour market between the age of 55 and 60 can enjoy the advantage of a tax reduction
Let me know what you think.
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Leftist
Posted: Nov 13 2005, 07:21 PM





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Sounds alright.
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Liberal Reformation Party
Posted: Nov 14 2005, 04:58 PM


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QUOTE (Leftist @ Nov 13 2005, 07:21 PM)
Sounds alright.

We will support a compromise like that.

I suggest that you edit it and put it to vote.

Regards
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Catholic Monarchist Party
Posted: Nov 17 2005, 03:33 AM





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We thank our colleagues in the LRP for starting this fruitful and helpful debate.
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The Royal Family and Aristocracy
Posted: Nov 24 2005, 01:06 AM





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When you've got a population who retires early then you start to see a shortage in labour. How would we solve this? Increase immigration? Sure that's fine, but these people will also retire early, and then we've got this neverending cycle.

People should have the option of working at least until 65, if they want to retire early then they can, it's called EARLY RETIREMENT. But when you've got the retirement age at 55 it won't stop employers from gettign rid of them because the law allows them to do so.
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Liberal Reformation Party
Posted: Nov 24 2005, 10:32 PM


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QUOTE (The Royal Family and Aristocracy @ Nov 24 2005, 01:06 AM)
When you've got a population who retires early then you start to see a shortage in labour. How would we solve this? Increase immigration? Sure that's fine, but these people will also retire early, and then we've got this neverending cycle.

People should have the option of working at least until 65, if they want to retire early then they can, it's called EARLY RETIREMENT. But when you've got the retirement age at 55 it won't stop employers from gettign rid of them because the law allows them to do so.

The same I said to the LMP, we are prepared to discuss a retirement age increase but in a slow evolution spreaded over several years and added clauses to the act that can ensures some exceptions.
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