Prabhupada on preaching

[Pedro Micho]

So that is Kåñëa’s favor. In the beginning, it appears to be very bitter. When I took sannyäsa, when I was living alone, I was feeling very bitter. I, sometimes I was thinking, “Whether I have done wrong by accepting?” So when I was publishing this Back to Godhead from Delhi, one day one bull thrashed me, and I fell down on the footpath and I got severe injury. I was alone. So I was thinking, “What is this?” So I had very, days of very tribulations, but it was all meant for good. So don’t be afraid of tribulations. You see? Go forward. Kåñëa will give you protection. That is Kåñëa’s promise in the Bhagavad-gétä. Kaunteya pratijänéhi na me bhaktaù praëaçyati: “Kaunteya, My dear son of Kunti, Arjuna, you can declare throughout the whole world that My devotees will never be vanquished. You can declare that.” And why He’s asking Arjuna to declare? Why He does not declare Himself? There is meaning. Because if He promises, there are instances that He sometimes broke His promise. But if a devotee promises, it will be never broken.

Lecture
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New York, April 17, 1969

[Pedro Micho]

English Boy: I’m trying to spread the word at school. I’m telling all my friends about Krsna.
Prabhupäda: Very good. That will help you.

Interviews with
Macmillan and various
English Reporters
--
September 12, 1973, London

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: Yes, yes. As soon as you go against the standard rules and regulations, there must be some motive. That is politics. That is politics. All politicians, they are with motive. They are not for... Now, all these big, big political parties, they are fighting with one another. They are simply trying to keep their post and they are fighting for that. So where is the time for them to think of the general people, how they will be happy? There is no time. It is the Kåñëa conscious people who are actually thinking of others. Para-duùkha-duùkhé. Kåpämbudhir yas tam ahaà bhajämi. Para-duùkha-duùkhé. Vaiñëava qualification is he is unhappy by seeing others... [break] Let us enlighten them. Otherwise what is the use of working in this old age? (Aside:) Come on. Vaiñëava’s qualification is para-duùkha-duùkhé. He is unhappy by seeing others unhappy. Because without God consciousness, without understanding “What I am, what is God, what is my relationship,” everyone shall remain unhappy. There cannot be happiness. Without knowledge of God, nobody can be happy.

Room Conversation
with Banker
--
September 21, 1973, Bombay

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupada:Nrsimhadeva will give you protection in my absence. I am now going to Japan to get some books printed personally and after that my program is to go to India. Maybe I shall be able to establish some temples there. Of course in India there are many temples, but it does not mean that I shall not also establish some temples. Just like there is overpopulation. It does not mean that one should not beget child. Similarly, there may be many hundreds of thousand temples in India, still our this society, ISKCON, should have their own temples. That is the way since time immemorial. There are hundreds and thousands of temples. So my advice to you, I am old man. So even I may not return, you shall continue this Krsna consciousness movement. This is eternal and I shall request you to keep the standard as I have already given you the program. The Deity worship, the kirtana, the street sankirtana, distribution of literature, books. You should carry on this program with great enthusiasm. That is my request.

Sept 70 , Los Angeles

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: ...devotees of Kåñëa becomes very much disappointed when one sees that the other one is not devotee of Kåñëa.
Giriräja: “They then returned to Lord Kåñëa and Balaräma and explained everything that had happened. After hearing their statements, the Supreme Personality began to smile. He told them that they should not be sorry for being refused by the brähmaëas.”
Prabhupäda: And this is the position of the preacher. Even if you are disappointed, you should not stop your preaching. You should go on with your business.
Giriräja: “He told them that they should not be sorry for being refused by the brähmaëas. Because that is the way of begging. He convinced them that while one is engaged in collecting or begging, one should not think that he will be successful everywhere. He may be unsuccessful in some places but that should not be cause for disappointment.”

Morning Walk
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May 3, 1974, Bombay

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: Ah. They cannot understand what is the meaning of this Kåñëa consciousness. They are such dull headed men. They have no brain to understand. They are coming down again. Just like the dog’s tail. Know, dog’s tail. You may, however grease it... (laughs) They are hearing about this Kåñëa consciousness. The aim is the body, the dog’s tail. They are hearing daily about Kåñëa na..., but they cannot understand. It is very difficult. These karmés... Now they say... Because we are reading this Bhägavatam, now gradually they dispersed. Gradually they dispersed. They are not interested. Hare Kåñëa. And if you talk politics and all nonsense, oh, they will gather.
yasyätma-buddhiù kuëape tri-dhätuke
sva-dhéù kalaträdiñu bhauma-ijya-dhéù
yat-tértha-buddhiù salile na karhicij
janeñv abhijïeñu sa eva go-kharaù
[SB 10.84.13]
The go-khara class.

Morning Walk
--
May 9, 1974, Bombay

[Pedro Micho]

Yogeçvara: What will happen to our temples in the cities? Will we keep them?
Prabhupäda: Huh?
Yogeçvara: Our temples. These big, big temples we have now.
Prabhupäda: No, no. We have to go everywhere. Wherever there is opportunity to instruct about this spiritual subject matter, we must go there. We should not have such discrimination, that city should be neglected. No. Why? They are also human being. They are misled. So we have to give them a little instruction. Everywhere. In cities there is possibility. Whatever we have collected, our men, that is from city, not from the village. So why should we neglect city? Where is the question? [break]

Room Conversation
with Mr. C. Hennis
of the International Labor
Organization of the U.N.
--
May 31, 1974, Geneva

[Pedro Micho]

If one is not on the platform of God consciousness, he is not human being. He is animal. That’s a fact. But we should not hate the animals because our mission is to bring them to the human consciousness. You cannot expect that your audience should be all highly brain. No. Preaching is required because they have no brain. Therefore your duty is to tolerate all difficulties and bring them to the sense of brain. Not that “These people are animals; we shall not mix with them.” Then you have no missionary activities. Then you sit down in a place and chant Hare Krsna. Then don’t open centers. That is also dangerous. If we imitate Haridäsa Thäkura, “Let us all chant and do nothing,” then the mäyä, the women, they are very expert. They could not conquer over Haridäsa Öhäkura, but she’ll conquer upon you. And become victim. Therefore we have to be active. We cannot imitate Haridäsa. Anyone who has imitated the Haridäsa Öhäkura, he has fallen down. He has fallen. He must fall down because imitating the highest personality, for which he is not fit. Therefore he’s going to fall down. When by preaching, by chanting, we will be expert, then it is possible.

Room Conversation
with Mr. C. Hennis
of the International Labor
Organization of the U.N.
--
May 31, 1974, Geneva

[Pedro Micho]

Paramahaàsa: Our position in preaching should be to encourage people in all respects to associate with us.
Prabhupäda: Yes.
Paramahaàsa: That means sometimes we might have to compromise in certain ways.
Prabhupäda: Why compromise? You don’t compromise. Then you associate with him. If you make compromise, then you associate with him. Then gradually you’ll also go down. When we, when we see some person, we do not associate with him, but we give him chance to associate with me. Why you should make compromise? What is the reason? If you know something positively, why should you make compromise? When people come to talk with me, see me, I don’t make any compromise. Do I make any compromise?
Devotees: No.
Prabhupäda: Then why shall we make compromise? That gentleman, Mr. Herbert, Gene Herbert, he said that “It has taken eighteen years to write these books.” I said, “Still, there are so many mistakes.” Immediately I said. And he could not say anything. Do you remember that?
Devotees: Yes.
Prabhupäda: Immediately I said, “Yes, you have labored eighteen years. Still, there are so many mistakes.”
Nitäi: Anyone else would have said, “Oh! Very nice.”
Prabhupäda: (laughs) Eh? I did not say.
Puñöa-kåñëa: He said that morning “What can we do, Prabhupäda?” He said, “What can we do? If we do not compromise, we will make enemies.”
Prabhupäda: No, you’ll not compromise; at the same time, you’ll not make enemies. That is tactics. If you make enemies, then what is your tactics? You must speak the truth; at the same time he’ll not be displeased. That is tactics. If you can defeat him by your argument, then he’ll not be displeased. After all, everyone is human being. If you can find out his defect, why he shall be enemy? Therefore, it is said, “You better make a reasonable man an enemy, but don’t make a friend fool.” You don’t make friend-ship with a fool, but if a man is intelligent, better make him an enemy. Because, because he’s intelligent, although he’s an enemy, he’ll not do any harm. Because intelligent. But a fool, he may pose himself as friend, and he can do anything which is very harmful.

Morning Walk
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June 11, 1974, Paris

[Pedro Micho]

Yogeçvara: It’s sometimes very hard to feel a compassion for others when we ourselves are still feeling so much contaminated.
Prabhupäda: Eh?
Yogeçvara: We, in the neophyte stage, we’re feeling ourselves so much attacked by mäyä that sometimes it’s very difficult...
Prabhupäda: Therefore those who do not take risk, they do not remain within this material world. They go to the Himalaya, go to the forest. They are afraid of being contaminated. But more liberal devotees, they take the risk and “Never mind, I shall go to hell. Let me do something for Kåñëa. Let others may understand something of Kåñëa.” That is their, mean magnanimity, taking the risk of going to hell, still, giving the information, “Just try to understand Kåñëa.” So such persons are exalted. Because they are taking their own risk to serve Kåñëa. That at least one man may understand Kåñëa. And others, they are flying, flying away, fleeing away, “No, no. We are not going to take risk.”
Puñöa-kåñëa: Kåñëa says that there’s no one more dear to Me than...
Prabhupäda: Goñöhyänandé and bhajanänandé. Bhajanänandé means they are interested for their own welfare, and goñöhyänandé, he wants to see that more devotees are there. That is the difference.
Paramahaàsa: Actually, Prahläda Mahäräja said that he’s not feeling any anxiety for himself...
Prabhupäda: Yes, yes, yes.
Paramahaàsa: He’s feeling anxiety that they’re not taking to Kåñëa consciousness.
Prabhupäda: They’re... And, on account of his being so, taking the risk, he is immediately very dear to Kåñëa. That is declared in the Bhagavad-gétä, na ca tasmän manuñyeñu kaçcin me priya-kåttamaù [Bg. 18.69]. “Anyone who is trying to broadcast My message, My glory, he immediately, there is no more dearer than him anyone.” So one should take this risk.

Morning Walk
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June 13, 1974, Paris

[Pedro Micho]

Devotee: Çréla Prabhupäda, does this possible anyhow to teach consciousness in Russian and the country who are in the unitary trust in the East? Like here in the west or America and Australia, in the...?
Madhudviña: His question is... He is... This boy is Yugoslavian, Yugoslavian, and he has done some translating of your Éçopaniñad into Yugoslavian. So he is wondering is it possible to spread Kåñëa consciousness in Yugoslavia?
Prabhupäda: Everywhere possible.
Madhudviña: And in other Russian... But these countries are all under Communist rule. It is very difficult in those countries.
Prabhupäda: Not difficult. Nothing is difficult. For the time being it is difficult but in due course of time it will be very easy.

Room Conversation
with Devotees
--
July 2, 1974, Melbourne

[Pedro Micho]

Siddha-svarüpananda: Another boy in a different place, householder, his business is making surfboards for a living. He builds the surfboards, and he puts big pictures of Kåñëa, Lord Nåsiàhadeva, on the surfboard so that when the boys are sitting on the board, like you saw that boy sitting on the surfboard, all day long they are looking at the picture.
Prabhupäda: Very good. [break]

Morning Walk
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February 4, 1975, Hawaii

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: In the beginning don’t talk of these details, just try to convince about the philosophy. What is the nature of God? What is your nature? How we are related, like that.
Paramahaàsa: By details do you mean the rules and regulations?
Prabhupäda: No, that is not in the beginning. In the beginning one must know that he is not this body. He is spirit soul. Don’t bring in controversy, but try to convince that you are not this body. Then, gradually. That is the mode of teaching in the Bhagavad-gétä.
Paramahaàsa: As they become more interested they ask automatically how they can make advancement.
Prabhupäda: If they understand that “I am spirit soul” then he’ll advance. Then you can say. The chanting is required.
Prabhupäda: Yes.

Morning Walk
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May 7, 1975, Perth

[Pedro Micho]

As soon as Krsna is satisfied, your preaching is perfect.

Morning Walk
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May 9, 1975, Perth

[Pedro Micho]

Devotee (1): Krsna says “without doubting.”
Prabhupäda: Yes.
Hari-çauri: So how to get those people who are immersed in mäyä to become serious? When we go out and we preach our saìkértana movement, how to get...
Prabhupäda: They will become gradually. Not all of a sudden. They are purchasing one book. They will read, and gradually they will be elevated. You go to school, but all of a sudden, you cannot say that “I am M.A.” You have to wait.
Morning Walk
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May 20, 1975, Melbourne

[Pedro Micho]

Hari-çauri: It seems to be very difficult if they are not very serious about anything...
Prabhupäda: No, that is missionary activities, that they do not understand, but you have to make them understand. They are not calling you, “I am suffering. Please come,” but it is your business to go and let them know that “You are suffering. You take this method.” That is the way of becoming very quickly recognized by Kåñëa. Otherwise, if you think, “They are not understanding, what is the use of going there? Let me sleep,” that is not good. They are not understanding; still, you have to go. Then Kåñëa will take that “He is laboring so hard for My sake.” Never mind he is successful. It doesn’t matter. But you are working hard for Kåñëa. That is noted down. So our business is to be recognized by Kåñëa. Whether one man is converted or not converted, that is not our business. We shall try our best. But Kåñëa must see that I am giving service to Kåñëa. That’s all. That is wanted. Not that you have to judge that you have approached so many men; nobody became Kåñëa conscious.
That doesn’t matter. But you have gone there. You have endeavored your sincere effort. That is recognized by Kåñëa. That is the order of Caitanya Mahäprabhu. Yäre dekha, täre kaha ‘kåñëa’-upadeça: [Cc. Madhya 7.128] “Whomever you meet, you give him, you inform him the instruction of Kåñëa.” Caitanya Mahäprabhu never said that “You see that he has actually become Kåñëa conscious.” Never says. You simply say and go and say. That is your business. It is not that you have to see that he has become Kåñëa conscious. It is not so easy to become Kåñëa conscious. It is not so easy. It will take, bahünäà janmanäm ante [Bg. 7.19], after many, many births. But you have to do your duty. Go and preach. Yäre dekha, täre kaha ‘kåñëa’-upadeça [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. Your duty is finished. Of course, you will try to convert him. If he is not converted, that is not deviation of your duty. You have to simply go and speak. Just like when I came to your country, I never expected any success because I knew, “As soon as I will say, ‘No illicit sex, no meat-eating,’ they will reject me immediately.”
(laughter) So I was not hopeful at all.
Devotee (1): They are so attached.
Prabhupäda: Yes. But it is your kindness that you accepted me. But I never expected. I never expected that “These people will accept.” I never expected.
Hari-çauri: So simply if we rely on Kåñëa...
Prabhupäda: Yes, that is our only business.
Hari-çauri: And if we look for results, then...
Prabhupäda: And we should do our duty as prescribed by the spiritual master. Guru-kåñëa-kåpäya. Then both sides, you will be favored, from the spiritual master and from Kåñëa. And that is the success. My Guru Mahäräja was publishing one paper, Dayinika (?) Nadiya Prakash. It was worth two paisa or one paisa. So if a brahmacäré could sell a few copies, he would have been so glad. You see? The collection was not even four annas. Still, he was so glad that “Oh, you have distributed so much.” Our business is to carry out the order, not to see success. Success is not so easy. That is not so easy.
Hari-çauri: Is this the reason why others who have preceded yourself earlier on, is this the reason why they were not successful, because they were trying to judge the results?
Prabhupäda: Who?
Hari-çauri: Others who have come before yourself? When they tried to preach in the Western countries?
Prabhupäda: They did not try. They came officially, and that’s all. Not even tried to preach this.
Devotee (1):. Just like Arjuna on the battlefield, you simply had to try for Kåñëa.
Prabhupäda: Yes. Arjuna said, kariñye vacanaà tava: [Bg. 18.73] “Yes, I shall carry out Your order, nothing else. Yes, You are asking me to fight. I will fight. That’s all.”

Morning Walk
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May 20, 1975, Melbourne

[Pedro Micho]

Devotee: What should I do if I’d like to preach more and become free from my family entanglements?
Prabhupäda: Just teach him what to do. Tell him.
Tamäla Kåñëa: What was his ques... What should you do...?
Devotee: I want to preach more and become free from my family entanglement.
Tamäla Kåñëa: I think Jagadéça is having some preaching programs. So your family is no hindrance. Preaching is not hindered by family, one way or the other.
Prabhupäda: Ahaituky apratihatä. Why don’t you understand? Preaching cannot be checked by anything—if you want to preach. In any circumstances you can preach. Präëair arthair dhiyä väcä. Preaching can be executed by four things: by your life, by your money, by your intelligence, and by your words. You have got so many assets. So you can utilize it for preaching. Dedicate your life. If you think that you are family man, you cannot dedicate twenty-four hours, then earn money and give it to Kåñëa consciousness movement as other family men, they are earning money. Eh? Is it not? You can earn. In America there is good facility for earning money. They want that you work and take money. So earn money as gåhastha and give it to Kåñëa. Präëair arthair. If you cannot earn money, then use your intelligence. There are so many intellectual work: publication, going to this officer, that officer. You, intellectually you try. And väcä, by words. If you cannot do anything, go anyone, anywhere and say that “Kåñëa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, just offer your obeisances.” Finished. So where is the scarcity? You can serve Kåñëa in any capacity—provided you want to serve.

Morning Walk
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July 8, 1975, Chicago

[Pedro Micho]

...angry first of all because mürkhäyo ’padeço hi prakopäya na çäntaye: “If you give good intelligence to the fools and rascals, they will be angry.” But still, you have to do it. Just like when Nityänanda Prabhu went to Jagäi-Mädhäi to deliver them, they became angry and injured. So that is preacher. These rascals will be angry, will sometimes do harm to you, and still, you have to do it. That is preaching. Are you understanding what is preaching? Yes. You have to prepare like that. At all risk you have to preach. [break] ...world is full of rascals, and you have to educate them. So according to one’s capacity let them preach, präëair arthair dhiyä väcä. But everyone can preach to some extent. There is no hindrance.

Morning Walk
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July 8, 1975, Chicago

[Pedro Micho]

If you can carry out, you can change the whole... Especially if you can change America, then whole world will change. Then the whole world... And it is the duty because they are kept in darkness and ignorance, then the human life is being spoiled. These rascals, because they do not know how to live... Andhä yathändhair... They are blind, and they are leading... Others are blind, and they are leading and they, all of them, going to ditch. So it is the duty. There is... Caitanya has explained, para-upakära. Save them. If it is not possible to save everyone, as many as possible... This is human life. This is Kåñëa consciousness, to save others who are in the darkness. It is not a profession: “Now, Kåñëa consciousness is my profession. I’m getting very easily food and shelter.” Just like the Indians, they are doing, a profession, say another means of livelihood. Not like that. It is for para-upakära, actually benefiting the others. That is Kåñëa consciousness. Then Kåñëa will be very much pleased: “Oh, he is trying.” ’Cause Kåñëa personally comes for doing this benefit to the people, and if you do, then how much Kåñëa will be pleased. Then? Just like I am traveling in my centers, and if I see that my students, my men are doing very nice, everything is going nice, how much pleased I will be, that I’ll save my labors and now write books for the rest of my time. Similarly, if Kåñëa sees that you are, on behalf of Kåñëa, you are trying to save these rascals, then He’ll be very (indistinct) with you. They are rascals. The leaders are rascals and the followers are rascals and they’re all going to hell. Nature’s law is very strict. Daivé hy eñä guëamayé mama mäyä duratyayä [Bg. 7.14]. You cannot avoid it. Nature is all-powerful. Kåñëa has given: “You work in this way.” She’ll work. She’ll work. She’ll punish. As soon as there is little discrepancy—you have eaten, eaten more than is necessary—indigestion. “Indigestion, starve.” This is nature’s law. Nature will act. But you have to (indistinct) them with knowledge that “You don’t do this. Otherwise you will be under the control of nature life after life. Simply miseries.” Para-duùkha-duùkhé. Vaiñëava’s qualification is para-duùkha-duùkhé. He is unhappy by seeing others’ distress. This is Vaiñëava.

Room Conversation with Devotees
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August 1, 1975, New Orleans

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: Yes. Our organization is that. Why we are opening so many centers? Just to give these rascals intelligence. Why Kåñëa is recognizing so nicely a preacher? Because He knows that he has to face so many difficulties. He is not easygoing, armchair politician, no. He has to face so many difficulties.


Morning Walk
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August 12, 1975, Paris

[Pedro Micho]

I wanted Praëava to speak, but he is not interested. What I can do? I told you that “You read books and speak. Try to preach.” Yes. Did I not say? Did I not say to you that you and Dikñita, “Study together and...”
Praëava (an older Indian man): We started immediately on the very same day. Next day I was asked to leave, so I have left.
Prabhupäda: You have left forever.
Praëava: No. I can never leave for...
Prabhupäda: That’s all right. Then why don’t you do that business? In the evening, four o’clock, you can speak. The whole day you can read and reproduce in the four o’clock. Then you understand what is the philosophy. If you simply reproduce what is written there in the book you become preacher. Yäre dekha, täre kaha ‘kåñëa’-upadeça [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. We haven’t got to manufacture anything.

Morning Walk
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September 18, 1975, Våndävana

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: If you make a condition that “First of all you become qualified; then you preach,” that will never come. Rüpa Gosvämé therefore recommends, yena tena prakäreëa mana kåñëe niveçayet: “Somehow or other bring him to Kåñëa consciousness.” Then other... Sarve vidhi-niñedhäù. Vidhi-niñedhäù. Sarve vidhi-niñedhä syur etayor eva kiìkaräù. Automatically they’ll come as servant. First of all let their mind be fixed up on Kåñëa consciousness.
Dr. Patel: But the present difficulties are because they don’t know the vidhi-niñedhas.
Prabhupäda: So how they can know?
Dr. Patel: That is the difficulty.
Prabhupäda: How they can know?
Dr. Patel: That is the difficulty.
Prabhupäda: So we... we are bringing them from which status? Yes. You cannot expect that they will be perfect all of a sudden, overnight. It is not possible. But their mind being fixed up on Kåñëa consciousness, that is the first qualification. They do not know anything beyond Kåñëa. That’s all.
Dr. Patel: In our Vaiñëava religions this vidhi-niñedha is a must right from the beginning.
Prabhupäda: Yes. It is must. It is must. But you cannot force in the beginning. That is not possible.
Dr. Patel: But they have to be explained of it.
Prabhupäda: But if they fix up their mind in Kåñëa, the vidhi-niñedha automatically will come. That process I adopted. When they came to me I never said that “You don’t do this, don’t do that, don’t do that.” No. “You simply come here and chant Hare Kåñëa.” These are... Old students learned. I never said that “You have to follow these rules, these regulations, then you can come...” Because if chanting is properly done, then ceto-darpaëa-märjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12]—the mind will be cleansed of all dirty things. Çåëvatäà sva-kathä kåñëa puëya-çravaëa-kértanaù [Bhäg. 1.2.17]. Simply by hearing and chanting, they will be pious. Hådy antaù ’stho hy abhadräëi vidhunoti suhåt satäm. Kåñëa is there. As soon as He sees one devotee is sincerely chanting, He’ll help, cleansing the heart. Vidhunoti... You will read Ajämila upäkhyäna. Simply by chanting Näräyaëa...
Dr. Patel: Ajämila got it.
Prabhupäda: Offenseless.
Morning Walk
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September 30, 1975, Bombay

[Pedro Micho]

Puñöa Kåñëa:
ya idaà paramaà guhyaà
mad bhakteñv abhidhäsyati
bhaktià mayi paraà kåtvä
mäm evaiñyaty asaàçayaù
[Bg 18.68]
”For one who explains the supreme secret to the devotees, devotional service is guaranteed, and at the end he will come back to Me.”
Prabhupäda: Not to the fools and rascals. So first of all, to give them chance, let them come to the temple, take prasädam, hear saìkértana, offer obeisances by imitating others. In this way, when they become little devotee, then instruct. Otherwise it will be useless. You’ll waste your time by arguing.
Puñöa Kåñëa: You have given the example that the field has to be plowed before the seed is sown, cultivated.
Prabhupäda: Yes.
Cyavana: The mind has to want that higher taste.
Prabhupäda: Ceto-darpaëa-märjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12]. So this process... Bring the... Invite them. Chant Hare Kåñëa, dance, give them prasädam. Everyone will take part in this way, not immediately instructing that “You are not this body; you are soul.” He will not be able to.

Room Conversation
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October 4, 1975, Mauritius

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: Therefore this process is recommended. Caitanya Mahäprabhu argued with Sarvabhauma Bhaööäcärya, Prakäçänanda Sarasvaté, not with ordinary public. Ordinary public—“Go on chanting Hare Kåñëa and dancing.” Never argued, neither He discussed Bhägavatam. For ordinary public—four hours’ kértana, chanting and dancing, bas. And then give them sufficient prasädam: “Take prasäda.” This process... Because unless he has got little çraddhä, he will simply put some false argument and waste your time. Not in the beginning. Mad-bhakteñv abhidhäsyati. First of all create him a devotee a little. Chant Hare Kåñëa—harer näma harer näma harer nämaiva kevalam [Adi 17.21]—only. Because this is Kali-yuga, people are so fallen, so downtrodden, so rascal, cats and dogs. It is very difficult. But this process—chanting of Hare Kåñëa mahä-mantra, giving them chance to hear it and take prasädam—that will cure. And that is easily accepted by anyone. It doesn’t matter what he is. Anyone will accept. To chant and dance and take prasädam—no one will disagree. So this is the process. When they come to the temple... Just like these boys. You are offering obeisances; they are also offering. But that will go to their credit, to become bhakta. This process should be adopted. Not in the beginning, but in the beginning give them prasädam, chant Hare Kåñëa. And try to sell some book. You pay something. That means he is giving some service, the hard-earned money. That will also go to his credit. And then, when he’ll concerned that “I have paid for it. Let me see what this nonsense has written. All right. Read.” And that will also convince him. This is the way. He’ll keep this body, book, and show some friend, so the infection will go on.

Room Conversation
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October 4, 1975, Mauritius

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: Hindi. (Hindi) You read it thoroughly and you explain it either in English or Hindi, as you think befitting to your friends. So we have got so many literatures in French language. We are also asking some men from Europe. That will create some impression. Yes. White elephant. (laughter) Dancing. Everyone will purchase ticket. Yes. (Hindi) Bring some white elephant. So literature is there. But one thing is that you must be placed in sadäcära, well behaved. So you have to sacrifice, especially your long hair. And if you sacrifice your hair, we can export it and get some money. (laughter) Because in Western countries they want these hairs to make wigs. Yes. So just... (Hindi) As they have been trained up to rise early in the morning, this will give you spiritual strength. If you simply becomes a gramophone speaker, then it will not be effective. Gramophone or tape record speaker, that will not be. You must be live speaker. Your living condition should be spiritually, what is called, surcharged. So that means you must be trained up how to rise early in the morning, take your bath, cleanse yourself, chant Hare Kåñëa mantra. Then you will be spiritually strong. When you are spiritually strong, if you speak something on spiritual subject matter, then it will be effective. Otherwise it will be just like tape record playing. So this is required. And you should... You are asking something?
Guest (1): No.
Prabhupäda: And gradually, when you are well behaving, then you shall be initiated to chant Hare Kåñëa mantra. That will give you strength, spiritual power. Strictly observe the regulative principles—no illicit sex, no meat-eating, no intoxication, no gambling. It is very simple. Read these literatures, chant Hare Kåñëa mantra, and observe these regulations. Then you will become gradually powerful. Your speeches will be effective. People will like you.

Room Conversation
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October 5, 1975, Mauritius

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: They are rascals. What is the use? That is advised, prema-maitri kåpopekñä, four things. Preacher—there are four things for him. One thing is he should love God. He should make friendship with devotees. He should preach amongst the innocent, and he should kick on the face of the atheist. Upekñä. “Hut! (laughter) I don’t like you.” That’s all, no business with him. This is preacher. Preacher should love God; preacher should make friendship with devotees; preacher will preach amongst the innocent, poor; and those who are atheist, nonbeliever, kick on his face. Don’t care for him. “Go away. Get out.” That’s all. That much mercy upon them. “Get out, rascal.” But sometimes we take the risk of talking with these rascals also. That is our mercy. But according to çästra, they are to be kicked out. They are not to be taken care of because it is waste of time.
Harikeça: They just don’t want to accept, no matter what.
Prabhupäda: No, no, even they have no argument, they have no logic, so what is the use of talking? What is the use? Simply waste of time.
Puñöa Kåñëa: So is it better if someone argues against our philosophy or if someone doesn’t argue at all and simply doesn’t accept it either?
Prabhupäda: No, if he argues... If you can understand that by argument, if you come to conclusion, they will accept, then talk with them. If they remain dog, what is the use of talking with a dog? Dog will never accept any argument. It will remain dog. So better avoid that.
Devotee (3): Çréla Prabhupäda, it’s very difficult to give good instruction to a dog. It simply barks.
Prabhupäda: No. Therefore I say, they should be neglected.
Harikeça: Just give them prasädam and kértana.
Prabhupäda: That’s all, yes. No argument. “Please come and take prasädam.” That much mercy should be shown to them.

Morning Walk
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October 7, 1975, Durban

[Pedro Micho]

Puñöa Kåñëa: Yes. They’ve taken your books in the past. [break] ...preaching, Çréla Prabhupäda, we don’t know whether to be diplomatic towards these other so-called religious movements or whether to simply expose the philosophy which they are putting forward.
Prabhupäda: No. You should be diplomatic. You should give positive information of our philosophy. Where need be, absolutely necessary, you can criticize others. [break] ...preaching is successful.

Morning Walk
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October 9, 1975, Durban

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: Yes. That you have to prove. You can eulogize your Guru Mahäräja, but you have to learn it and face the public and be strong to defend yourself. That is success. Not by praising your Guru Mahäräja. You’ll praise your Guru Mahäräja. That is not very difficult. But be victorious to the opposing elements. Then you will praise your Guru Mahäräja nicely. At home, you can praise your Guru Mahäräja, and Guru Mahäräja be satisfied, “Oh, my disciples are praising me.” That is not very.... That is good. Respectful. That is the qualification. But you have to fight. Then your Guru Mahäräja will be glorified.

Conversation on Roof
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December 26, 1975, Sanand

[Pedro Micho]

Puñöa Kåñëa: Is it possible to reform a person against their will?
Prabhupäda: No, not possible.

Morning Walk
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October 17, 1975, Johannesburg

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: Anywhere, hell or heaven, it doesn’t matter. You induce people to chant. This is the sum and substance of devotee. It doesn’t matter whether it is town, city, village. Wherever you go, you gather people and induce them by flattering them, by falling their, on their leg—some way or other, induce them. Dante nidhäya tåëakaà padayor nipatya. This is the process shown by Prabodhänanda Sarasvaté, that “My dear sir, I have come to you with great humbleness, taking a straw in my mouth.” Dante nidhäya tåëakaà padayor nipatya: “And falling down on your lotus feet.” Kaku-satam kåtva: “And I am trying to please you by so many flattering words.” Kåtva ahaà bravimi: “I have got some submission, if you’ll kindly hear.” So who is that man who will deny? If you fall down on his feet and take a straw and very humbly you pray, “Sir, I have got something to say if you kindly hear,” who will deny? Who is that man? Even rogues, rascals, he’ll also agree: “Yes, you can say what you want to do.” This is the process. Dante nidhäya tåëakaà padayor nipatya kaku-satam kåtva ca ahaà bravimi. “I want to submit. Will you kindly hear?” So any rogue, rascal, gentleman, big, small, learned—everyone will agree. Is it not, if you submit like that, that with great humbleness and flattering him, “Falling down on your feet, I want to submit something”? Huh? What do you think?
Jïäna: I think it’s wonderful. Yes.
Prabhupäda: This is the... This is the process. So this is the process. So now, when he will say, “All right, you can say what you want to say,” then, he sädhava: “You are a great personality, nobleman.” He may be a loafer class, (laughter) but give him all honor: “You are so great and so exalted,” he sädhava, “and so honest.” He sädhava. “My only submission is that whatever you have learned, you forget. Whatever nonsense you have learned...” Don’t say “nonsense.” (laughter) But we must know that he is a pakkä, rascal, nonsense. (laughs) So don’t say directly, “nonsense.” Say, “You are the great personality. So kindly, whatever you have learned, forget.” “Then what shall I do?” He sädhavaù sakalam eva vihäya durät: “Kick out whatever you nonsense learned.” “Then what shall I do?” Now, caitanya-candra-caraëe kurutänurägam: “Kindly be submissive to Lord Caitanya, and chant Hare Kåñëa.” This is our program. No argument. Because he is a rascal, what is the use of arguing with him? He’s a rascal number one. You know that. You cannot expect any good argument from the rascals and fools. Where is the logic? Their logic is to beat them with shoes. That is the only logic. But that, if you do that, then you’ll not be able to preach. But otherwise that is the only logic, to beat them with shoes. Argumentum vaculum. You know this logic? In logic we have read. There is one logic, argumentum... You know this?
Cyavana: That is Latin.
Girl devotee (1): Yes. Yes.
Prabhupäda: Yes. You know? What is that? Argumentum vaculum? Hm? With fools and rascals, with animals, there is no logic. Take the stick and beat them. The dog, if he is a dog, what is the argument with him? Take the stick and beat him; then he will go away. That is called argumentum baculum. That is, Sanskrit logic, also said, murkhasya laöau çädhi (?) “One who is a fool, his only remedy is beating him with stick.” This is material. But we are not doing anything material. It is all spiritual. Therefore, especially in this age, Caitanya Mahäprabhu,
tåëäd api sunécena
taror api sahiñëunä
amäninä mänadena
kértanéyaù (sadä hariù)
[Cc. adi 17.31]
So we should preach like this, any rascal, because anyone who has no information of Kåñëa, who is not Kåñëa conscious, he’s a rascal. That’s all. That we must know. That is definite. There is no mistaking it. But if you say that “You are rascal. There is no mistaking it,” then you cannot preach. If you directly call a rascal a rascal, he’ll be angry. Murkhäyopadeço hi prakopäya na çanta...: To give good instruction to a fool rascal will increase his anger, that’s all.” Then you’ll not be able to preach. So you have to become very humble, tåëäd api sunécena, humbler than the grass. Just like everyone is trampling over the grass. It doesn’t protest, “Why you are going, keeping your leg on my head?” But that is the... Tåëäd api sunécena. Go on trampling. Hundreds’ and hundreds’ people are trampling over the grass; they don’t protest. Tåëäd api sunécena taror api sahiñëunä. The tree is standing. You sit down. When there is scorching heat, you take pleasure by sitting down under the shade. But the reward is that you cut the branches. That is their reward. He gives you shelter, and you cut the branch. You cut the whole tree. This is your gratefulness. You see? Because we are rascals, we do not know what is gratefulness. They are taking milk from the cow and killing. This is our proposal. So Caitanya Mahäprabhu advises, taror api sahiñëunä—tolerant, humbler than the grass. Amäninä mänadena. Don’t expect any honor for your person, but to the others give honor: “Oh, you are most exalted person,” although he’s a rascal. What can be done? Otherwise you cannot preach. If you call a rascal a rascal, immediately your preaching will be stopped. So you have to say that “You are the greatest intelligent man, sädhu, most honored. The only request is that you forget what you have learned. That’s all. And take this.” In this way preaching practical. Otherwise it is not possible. Everyone is thinking he is the most exalted personality, scientist, philosopher, great man. That is material disease. Actually he is being kicked every moment by the urges of the senses, and he is thinking he is very great man. Go-däsa. Go means senses. He is always, I mean, curbed down by the sense urges, and he is thinking, “independent.” Independent means servant of the senses. This is going on. So you have to understand the real position of the world, and if you want to preach, then you have to (be) humbler than the tree, humbler than the grass, tolerant than the tree and... We know everyone is rascal; still, you have to give him honor. Then it will be possible to say something. Otherwise it is very difficult. We have to deal with all rascals, fools, rogues, ruffians, all good qualificat..., like. This is... You must know these things. You are dealing with all rascals. So if we call them directly “rascal,” they will be angry. Your preaching will not be successful. So follow the principles enunciated by Prabodhänanda Sarasvaté and Caitanya Mahäprabhu.

Morning Walk
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October 28, 1975, Nairobi

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: Yes. Na ca tasmäd manuñyeñu kaçcid me priya-kåttamaù. (Hindi) If we want to be recognized by Kåñëa, this is the simple process: go and flatter persons, “Please hear some words from Bhägavata,” that’s all.

Morning Walk
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November 3, 1975, Bombay

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: So one thing, if you can do, that India, at the present moment, that Swami Cinmayananda is prominent.
Acyutänanda: Yes.
Hari-çauri: He’s very big. Especially in the South.
Prabhupäda: (laughs) So if you can subdue him...
Yaçodänandana: We’ll take care of that, Prabhupäda.
Acyutänanda: All right.
Prabhupäda: That will be great triumph. He’s a nonsense. That’s... But he’s very popular at the same time.
Acyutänanda: Yes, because...
Prabhupäda: He is like Vivekananda.
Acyutänanda: He tells some jokes.
Yaçodänandana: He always tells nonsense jokes during his lectures. Therefore children and elderly widows are very much attracted to him for his flowery language and joking. But he has no substantial philosophy like yours.
Acyutänanda: We went to his program and sold books to the crowd.
Prabhupäda: Ah.
Yaçodänandana: But some way or other, he has some respect for you, Prabhupäda, for the great work you have done, Cinmayananda Swami. He has some respect for you. He knows...
Prabhupäda: But he, he wants to keep his prestigious position.
Acyutänanda: Oh, yes.
Yaçodänandana: Yes. On your order, we shall try to hamper that.
Prabhupäda: No, tactfully.
Acyutänanda: By preaching your books.
Prabhupäda: Keep him as friend. He’s friendly. So don’t irritate him.
Acyutänanda: All right.
Yaçodänandana: I think the best way would be to out-preach him.
Prabhupäda: Out-preach him. Yes.

Morning Walk
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February 18, 1976, Mäyäpura

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: This preaching work is a great fight, struggle.
Acyutänanda: It is very struggle.
Prabhupäda: So you are all soldiers. Even if you lay down your life by fighting, you are recognized by Krsna. Krsna will see that “This devotee has laid down his life,” so He’ll... He’s... Asaàçayam. Asaàçayam. Mäm evaiçyasy asaàçayam. So let us go on fighting. Even we die, what is that? We are going back to... Jévo vä märo vä. A Vaiñëava, a sädhu, either he lives or dies, he is under the protection of Krsna. Jévo vä märo vä.

Morning Walk
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February 19, 1976, Mäyäpura

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: ...mind, don’t express. Don’t disclose. And besides that, we should not think anyone as our enemy. They are misled. Let us do our own duty. Hare Kåñëa, Hare Kåñëa... Who has broken this? [Break] ...disease. Just like a man is diseased, and a surgeon is operating. He’s calling by ill names, “You rascal, you çälä, you barja(?), you are killing me.” So that does not mean he’ll stop his business. And when he’s relieved: “Oh, you are my friend. You have done so good. You are not my çälä.” Just see.
Acyutänanda: Why do they say “çälä”?
Prabhupäda: Çälä is a abominable term. Çälä means wife’s brother.
Acyutänanda: Why is that abominable?
Prabhupäda: The country, you see? But advanced devotee, they’ll not think anyone as enemy. You see? Diseased man... piçäcé päile yena mati-cchanna haya, mäyä-grasta jévera haya se bhäva udaya. Just like one is ghostly haunted. He talks all nonsense.

Morning Walk
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February 21, 1976, Mäyäpura

[Pedro Micho]

Puñöa Kåñëa: Sometimes, Çréla Prabhupäda, devotees want to know what your greatest pleasure would be.
Prabhupäda: Hm?
Puñöa Kåñëa: What your greatest pleasure would be, how you would want your disciples to...
Prabhupäda: You all become full Kåñëa conscious, cent percent Kåñëa conscious. [break] ...that people are suffering for want of Kåñëa consciousness. Let them have this Kåñëa consciousness and become happy. That’s all.

Morning Walk
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March 26, 1976, Delhi

[Pedro Micho]

Puñöa Kåñëa: They’re very enthusiastic to preach.
Prabhupäda: Yes. That is life. One who is enthusiastic to preach, he is living. Others are dead.


Room Conversation
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April 4, 1976, Våndävana

[Pedro Micho]

Lokanätha: They take objection when we preach. They say, “Have you seen God or Kåñëa?” We haven’t seen God, how could we speak about God? Sometimes they take objection.
Prabhupäda: Very good. You have not seen your grandfather, why do you take his will? To inherit the money. You have not seen your grandfather. You rascal, you are very much anxious to take his money, according to his will. What is the answer? You have not seen your grandfather, so why you take his will? Eh? What is his answer? Rascal while taking money: “I will take my grandfather’s will.” Just see. You have to learn how to capture the rascals.

Morning Walk
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April 8, 1976, Mäyäpur

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: Yes, anyone. Anyone. It is open to everyone. So therefore we are trying to open centers, all parts of the world, to give them chance of sat-saìga, so that gradually they will become perfect. And that is happening actually. Caitanya Mahäprabhu never said that you find out some first-class men. No. He said, yäre dekha täre kaha kåñëa. It is not necessary that you have to find out some qualified person. Anyone. Simply instruct him what Kåñëa has said, that’s all. Yäre dekha täre kaha. There is no question of selecting. Why selection? All are fallen. The so-called gentleman, he is also fallen.
na mäà duñkåtino müòhäù
prapadyante narädhamäù
mäyayäpahåta-jïänä
äsuraà bhävam äçritäù
[Bg. 7.15]
As soon as you see he is not Kåñëa conscious, he is within these four groups: duñkåtina, müòha, narädhama, mäyayä... Immediately conclude.
Dr. Patel: Sir, duñkåtina, müòha, narädhama, all are mäyayäpahåta-jïänäù.
Prabhupäda: Eh?
Dr. Patel: All of them are mäyayäpahåta-jïänäù.
Prabhupäda: No, no, mäyayäpahåta-jïänäù.
Dr. Patel: They, all of them, all the three (indistinct) also.
Prabhupäda: So he may say that “I have passed B.A., M.A., Ph.D., D.H.C.,” and “Whether you are Kåñëa conscious?” “No, sir.” “Then you are a fool, rascal.”
Dr. Patel: (laughs) The B.A., M.A., are mäyä degrees.
Prabhupäda: This preaching is done by Çyämasundara’s little daughter, five years, six years. She goes to a gentleman, “Do you know Kåñëa?” So he says, “No, I do not know.” “The Supreme Personality of Godhead.” Just see. This is preaching. A child can do this preaching work. She has learned from us, and she is convinced that Kåñëa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and she goes to anyone, “Do you know who is Kåñëa?” He says, “No, I do not know.” “The Supreme Personality.” This is preaching. Then he is a good preacher. That’s all. The rascal does not know Kåñëa. He gets at least some information, “Here is Krsna.”

Morning Walk
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April 15, 1976, Bombay

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: Yes. [break] ...is a word declared to the asuras. You see? Therefore everyone is our enemy. Nobody likes us, because a declaration of war against the asura... And we are fighting with some tiny soldiers, that’s all. And they are very strong. (aside:) Hare Krsna. Jaya. Thank you. Jaya.

Morning Walk
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April 16, 1976, Bombay

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: There is no use taking part in that meeting. Simply take a book stall. “Bhakti-yoga books.” Give a signboard, “Bhakti-yoga books.” And give the picture of Dhruva Mahäräja, five-years-old boy, executing bhakti-yoga alone in the forest. We have got meditation. Dhyänävasthita-tad-gatena manasä paçyanti yaà yoginaù [SB 12.13.1]. That is real yoga. And Bhagavad-gétä, yoginäm api... These çlokas, yoginäm api sarveñäà mad-gatenäntarätmanä [Bg. 6.47]. One who’s chanting Hare Kåñëa, Hare Kåñëa, he is first-class yogi. Give one picture of the devotees chanting in a very nice place, and give evidence, yoginäm api sarveñäà mad-gatenäntarätmanä: “This, first-class yogi. Here is first-class yogi.” That will be our preaching. Dhruva Mahäräja is practicing yoga. There are many others. The highest perfection is Rädhäräëé, that simply crying, “Kåñëa has gone to Mathurä, not coming back.” That is the..., the whole day and night crying. Who can perform this yoga? So if you, if possible, draw pictures.... Satchidananda, he is also a leader? He has?
Puñöa Kåñëa: Yes.
Guru-kåpä: Yogi Bhajan
Prabhupäda: Yogi Bhajan also?
Puñöa Kåñëa: Yes. Kriyananda, Swami Nada Brahmananda from Hrishikesh, Swami Ajaya, Ph.D., from Madison, Wisconsin. (laughter) It’s a small college town in America. Yogi Bhajan? There’s many others. A lot of Indian doctors from Canada, India and America.
Prabhupäda: So you can give yogi import that “Hare Kåñëa is the greatest of all yoga systems.”
Puñöa Kåñëa: Topmost yoga.
Prabhupäda: Yes. And quote from Bhagavad-gétä. Show pictures.

Room Conversation
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April 23, 1976, Melbourne

[Pedro Micho]

Guru-kåpä: You know, Çréla Prabhupäda, they say that if anyone has power to induce anybody to chant Hare Kåñëa, therefore they must have some special power. Therefore that’s their qualification.
Prabhupäda: That special power, that is said in the çästras. But people do not want that.
Guru-kåpä: Just like, for example, in Bengal before, there was that Charan das Babaji. He induced them to chant the wrong mantra, but where is.... He’s not specifically paramparä.
Prabhupäda: No. He chanted for some time and, of course, there was chanting of “Nitäi-Gaura.” He introduced new system of chanting: nitäi-gaura rädhe-çyäma. So the Nitäi-Gaura chanting will have some effect, Kali-yuga. Although he was presenting pervertedly, the beginning was Nitäi-Gaura, so it would have some effect. He did not know actually Nitäi-Gaura. From his words it appears. He used to preach that Nitäi is Rädhäräëé, and Gaura is Kåñëa. That is siddhänta-viruddha. But some way or other, he was chanting Nitäi-Gaura. So some effect were there. Just like sandalwood. You do not know which way better pulp comes out, but if you rub any way, some pulp will come because it is sandalwood. So he had some effect of chanting Nitäi-Gaura, but later on they deteriorated because they did not know actually, neither they were taught. Siddhänta-viruddha. The siddhänta-viruddha means it will deteriorate. It will not endure.
Guru-kåpä: Çréla Prabhupäda, what about, say, many of your Godbrothers? They also have disciples, and they also are properly initiated by a proper spiritual master, and they give the Hare Kåñëa mantra.
Prabhupäda: The thing is the spirit, real service of preaching, stopped. Formality is going on, but the real business.... Caitanya Mahäprabhu’s movement means ämära äjïäya guru haïä tära ei deça [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. That is stopped. Do you follow? The formalities is there, but the real life of Caitanya Mahäprabhu’s movement is preaching. Otherwise why Caitanya Mahäprabhu says, ämära äjïäya guru haïä tära ei deça [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. Tära means preaching. Yäre dekha, täre kaha ‘kåñëa-upadeça’ [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. And that is stopped. They are satisfied if they could construct one temple and beg some rice from the neighborhood: “Sir, we have got some temple,” that’s all. They are satisfied. The spirit of preaching forward—päpé täpé jata chilo, hari-näme uddhärilo—that is stopped. So by hari-näma, by chanting, by this way, to live little peacefully in the temple and eat and sleep, that much they have got. If that is the success, that success they have got. And this was condemned by my Guru Mahäräja, that “To earn some money by showing Deity in the temple and eat and sleep—better you become a sweeper in the street and earn your honest livelihood and live.” This is cheating. This was condemned. To construct a temple.... Just like the Våndävana Gosvämés are doing. They thought that “This is our business. Some innocent people will come here and offer some.... Bas, that’s our good income.” According to the temple’s popularity, they think, “This is our success.” Therefore they are deteriorating. So that is not success. Success is his who is pushing forward the preaching method. That is his success. And if we think that “By showing a temple Deity we get some money and rice and cloth and just peacefully live here. Don’t bother about going to Fiji and all over...” (laughs) That much success they have got. But that is not Caitanya Mahäprabhu. Påthivéte äche yata nagarädi gräma, sarvatra pracära. What they are doing for that? That is point.
Guru-kåpä: What if sometimes disciple, he may go to preach, but he’s not preaching in the exact same spirit of his spiritual master?
Prabhupäda: Therefore he is not to be preached. Caitanya Mahäprabhu says, janma särthaka kari’ kara para-upakära: “Go to do good to others. First of all you do good to yourself.” First of all you become really preacher. Then go to preach. Caitanya Mahäprabhu never sent neophyte to go to preach. For neophyte the preaching is not their business. For neophyte, one should stick to the worship of Deity in the temple. And those who have understood the philosophy, applied the philosophy in his life, he should go for preaching. Otherwise he’ll preach wrongly, like.... What is that? Charan das Babaji. And it will stop. He wanted to preach, but he did not know how to preach, and therefore, after his life, it is finished. So Caitanya Mahäprabhu does not say like that, that “You remain a rascal and go to preach.” No. Janma särthaka kari. “Your first business is that you make your life perfect. Then go to preach. Perfect means you learn how to obey My orders.” That is perfection. Ämära äjïäya. So if you are actually, perfectly carrying out the orders of Caitanya Mahäprabhu, then you are preaching. Otherwise you will do wrongly, mislead. Don’t do that. Andhä yathändhair upanéyamänäù. If you remain blind, don’t try to lead other blind men. That is misleading. First of all open your eyes. Everything is there. Nobody can do anything whimsically. If you do whimsically, concoctedly, that will be failure. It will not be effective.
Guru-kåpä: Even though one may get many followers, that is not...
Prabhupäda: Many? What you...? Many followers.... The philosophy you present, it must be followed by everyone. That is wanted. You have got, say, ten thousand followers. That does not mean success. Everyone has got some followers. This.... What is that? Guruji Maharaja. He has got also so-called followers. The T.M., he has got also some followers. Everyone has got some followers. But what kind of followers they have? That is quality. Everything has quality. Simply quantity is not. There are many Christians. Even up to date, some Christian fair or.... Many millions will come. What is the quality? Quality is all meat-eater. But Christian means he should not kill. Where is the Christian? So we have to test by the quality, followers. Not many followers, the quality of the followers. My Guru Mahäräja used to say like that, that “If I get at least one quality disciple, then all my labor will be success.” He was saying like that: quality, not the quantity. By quantity if one is amazed, then he is also goru. By quality—what kind of followers? That is the.... From the very beginning my strictures are there, that “You have to follow this”—quality. If I were..., “No, you can do like Vivekananda. Yes, what you can, whatever you like,” then I think quantity would have been very, very big. But I don’t say. I make him promise before the fire, before the Deity, before guru. [break] That one moon is taken into account. Who takes account of the millions of stars? Ekaç candras tamo hanti na ca tärä sahasraçaù. Quality. So we should be quality devotee, not quantity devotee.
I have taken two glasses. Just see how nice water is, tap water. Here so many dobs are available, and this rascal is manufacturing RC and he is going as to be..., business. And for hearing Bhagavad-gétä they have no time, and they are trying to go to Våndävana. Quantity, not quality. So civilization should be quality civilization, not quantity civilization. Do that. Bheòyadäsana. Bheòyadäsana (indistinct). Bheòé, lamb, they are going, hundreds and thousands. They flock. So, and if one bheòé, lamb, is somehow or other pushed into slaughterhouse stockroom, so all the.... All of them. You haven’t got to take many. Some way or other, you induce one of them to go into the, what is called, shed, where stocks are kept for taking out daily and killing. So they do not mind that “We are being pushed into this room for future killing. Never mind. One has gone. Go.” They’ll go. So this is called in Hindi, bheòyadäsana, that without any consideration, “One has entered. Let us all enter.” That is bheòé, means animal, their disciple like this.

Room Conversation
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May 2, 1976, Fiji

[Pedro Micho]

In Bhägavata it is very figuratively described that we have got this body and the different parts. Just like Arjuna is sitting on the chariot. There is chariot driver, there are horses, reins. There is field, and the arrow, and the bow. They have been figuratively. So this can be used for killing the enemies of our Kåñëa Consciousness and then give up all this paraphernalia, chariot, we... Just like after fighting, only victory, then you kill them. And similarly this body is there, the mind is there, the senses are there. So utilize it for conquering over this material existence. And then give up this body and go back to home.
Tamäla Kåñëa: Does the devotee, I mean just like you are always enthusing us to push on...
Prabhupäda: That is sharpening your weapons. That is also described. By serving the spiritual master, you keep your weapon always sharpened. And then take help from Kåñëa, the words of spiritual master sharpen weapon and yasya prasädad bhagavata..., and the spiritual master is happy, then Kåñëa immediately will help. He gives you strength. Suppose you got a sword, sharpened sword. But if you have no strength, what will you do with the sword? Kåñëa will give you the strength, how to fight and kill the enemies. Everything is described. Therefore Caitanya Mahäprabhu (said) guru-kåñëa-kåpäya, make your weapon sharpened by the instruction of the spiritual master and then Kåñëa will give you strength, you’ll be able to conquer. This figurative explanation I think last night I did. Here is a verse, acyuta bala, acyuta bala. Is Puñöa Kåñëa here?
Hari-çauri: (calls out) Puñöa Kåñëa?
Prabhupäda: We are soldiers of Kåñëa, servants of Arjuna. Simply you will have to act accordingly, then you will finish up enemies. They have no power, although their number is hundred times. Just like Kurus and the Päëòavas. They have no power, yatra yogeçvaraù kåñëaù. Keep Kåñëa in your side, then everything will be successful. Tatra çrér vijayo bhütiù.


Room Conversation
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May 7, 1976, Honolulu

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: The idea of God is not for everyone. Only for the brähmaëas. Those who are brähmaëas at death, brahma-jänäti vibrähmaëa. Our process is to give them chance to hear. Then they’ll get gradually idea, not immediate. In the beginning let him eat prasädam, chant Hare Kåñëa. That’s all. [break] “My dear friend, please come. Chant with us, dance with us, and take prasädam.”

Morning Walk
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May 28, 1976, Honolulu

[Pedro Micho]

... real peace formula, anyone who is not Kåñëa conscious, he’s rascal. This is very revolting. “Because I am not Kåñëa con..., because I am a rascal?” “Yes.” (laughter)
Tamäla Kåñëa: Oh, they don’t like that.
Prabhupäda: (laughing) This is too much.
Tamäla Kåñëa: Even you were challenging their gurus. That they get very angry at. Sataji will always tell me, “I like your Prabhupäda very much. But he is always criticizing all of our gurus.”
Rämeçvara: Like Ramakrishna and this cheater magician.
Tamäla Kåñëa: “He calls them cheaters, rascals, rogues, in public.” At all the päëòäls you used to do that. Oh, they couldn’t stand it.
Hari-çauri: That man that stopped me in the street...
Prabhupäda: What can I say? Kåñëa says. I am simply a child, repeating the words of Kåñëa.
Tamäla Kåñëa: Yes, you always tell them that. “It is not what I’m saying; Kåñëa is saying.” But that gets them even angrier.
Prabhupäda: We are Kåñëa conscious. We are obligated to say like that.
Tamäla Kåñëa: That makes them even more angry.
Prabhupäda: (laughs) Actually Kåñëa says: na mäà duñkåtino müòhäù prapadyante narädhamäù [Bg. 7.15]—finished. They cannot bring any defamation. We can say in the court that we are simply repeating like parrot. That’s all. We have pledged to become parrot of Kåñëa. That’s all.

Morning Walk
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June 5, 1976, Los Angeles

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: If you cannot do anything, you can ask anybody, “Become a devotee of God.” Three words: “Just become a devotee of God.” Anyone can, even a child can do. It is so easy. Ya idaà paramaà guhyaà mad-bhakteñv abhidhäsyati [Bg 18.68]. Kåñëa says that “Anyone who preaches this gospel, he is the dearmost person to Me.” So what is that gospel? Kåñëa says, sarva-dharmän partiyajya mäm ekaà çaraëaà vraja: “You just surrender unto Me.” So if we go to every home, every person, and say “Just you surrender to God, Kåñëa,” that is our preaching.

Garden Conversation
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June 9, 1976, Los Angeles

[Pedro Micho]

Nalinékaëöha: Ten to fifteen new devotees are doing saìkértana.
Prabhupäda: Very good.
Nalinékaëöha: Ten new book distributors in the last month.
Prabhupäda: Kåñëa will give all facilities if we are sincerely serving Kåñëa. The government gives all facilities to the government servant. The government gives all facilities to the soldiers. When there is fight, there is scarcity of commodities in the civil life, but there is no scarcity among the soldiers. The first consideration, soldiers. Similarly, those devotees who are fighting against mäyä, their facility is first concern. They’re fighting, trying to save the people from the onslaught of material energy.

Garden Conversation
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June 10, 1976, Los Angeles

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: Kñetra-jïaà cäpi mäà viddhi sarva-kñetreñu bhärata. The best thing is to follow the formula given by Kåñëa: na mäà duñkåtino müòhäù prapadyante narädhamäù [Bg. 7.15]. As soon as one denies the supremacy of God, he is either sinful, rascal, lowest of the mankind, in these categories. This is the qualification. So we shall take things very simplified. As soon as we see somebody not Kåñëa conscious, immediately we take him in either of these groups. That’s all. Then if he objects, then you come to argument.

Garden Conversation
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June 14, 1976, Detroit

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: Therefore we are presenting these books, that we are not a so-called sect of whimsical faith. It is based on science and authorities. Recently we have got report that our books have been taken in Hamburg University. You know Hamburg University?
Stansky: Yes.
Prabhupäda: As their textbook for Sanskrit class. They found it so wonderful. Because for Sanskrit scholar it is good opportunity to learn Sanskrit, because each word we have given in English and German synonyms.
Stansky: I want very much to learn basic Sanskrit, but I have so much to learn right now that ah,...
Prabhupäda: No, it is not necessary, but those who are interested in studying Sanskrit literature, for them it is very good help. And at the same time they get sublime knowledge. They study Sanskrit and get knowledge. So you have kindly come to join us. You study our philosophy very minutely and then try to do something for the suffering humanity.
nänä-çästra-vicäraëaika-nipuëau sad-dharma-saàsthäpakau
lokänäà hita-käriëau tri-bhuvane mänyau çaraëyäkarau
rädhä-kåñëa-padäravinda-bhajanänandena mattälikau
vande rüpa-sanätanau raghu-yugau çré-jéva-gopälakau
The saintly persons, at least in Caitanya Mahäprabhu’s movement, they are not meant for idle life. They are always busy for the welfare of the whole human society. This is the sign of saintly person. They are misguided and they are suffering, and it is the duty of the saintly person to give them instruction, education, how they can become really happy and make their life successful. This is saintly person. A saintly person doesn’t mean to live at other’s expenditure and do all nonsense things. This is not saintly person.

Room Conversation
with Ambaréña and Catholic Priest
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June 14, 1976, Detroit

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: It is very difficult to understand that our movement is spiritual movement, and they do not understand what is spiritual, the whole world. That is the defect. But still we are going on. That is Kåñëa’s grace. Otherwise, nobody understands what is the aim or what is the platform. (Some kids yell “Hare Kåñëa” in disrespectful tones outside the room. Prabhupäda and devotees laugh)
Hari-çauri: It’s amazing when you think how we’re expanding all the time. It’s really amazing.
Prabhupäda: It is Kåñëa’s grace. Therefore they take us as one of these Guruji and Babaji, like this, like that. But when they read our books, higher class, they understand the seriousness of it. They admit that this is India’s original, traditional knowledge. Higher, higher circle, they don’t want any imitation.



Room Conversation
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June 17, 1976, Toronto

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: If we say all these things, they will cut my head. (laughs) Therefore I don’t say in the public meeting all these things. But it is actually dog’s life(?). No value. Actually, no value. We cannot give any value to this type of civilization, running like dog with car.
Puñöa Kåñëa: I remember in South Africa though, Prabhupäda, you called them, (laughs) at every meeting, dogs and cats. And afterward they were always applauding. (claps)
Hari-çauri: He did that, (laughing) you did that in South India as well.
Puñöa Kåñëa: I think that...
Prabhupäda: No, no, when I come into emotion, I cannot check to speak the truth. But actually it is the fact. I cannot give any credit to these rascals (laughs) who are running at high speed, big, big car.

Room Conversation
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June 18, 1976, Toronto

[Pedro Micho]

There is no hopelessness. So many people have come, and they are coming. Both black, white, everyone is coming. There is no question of (indistinct). But you cannot expect that cent percent people will come; that is not possible. But even, even one-fourth percent people come to this, then it will be successful. Compared to the American population, what percentage we have got? Still they have made some impression, the Hare Kåñëa movement. Literatures are selling, they are appreciating, learned circle. Takes some time, but if we stick to our principles and do not make any compromise and push on—in this way, I have given you instruction, it will never stop; it will go on. It will never stop. At least for ten thousand years it will go on. That is your... (indistinct) And this movement is meant for these fourth-class, fifth-class, tenth-class men. Not this movement is fourth class, fifth class. They are so fallen that they cannot be counted even third class, fourth class—tenth-class of men. Deliver them. Patita-pävana-hetu tava avatära. Caitanya Mahäprabhu’s incarnation is for delivering these classes of men. Caitanya Mahäprabhu never meant to start this movement for high-class brähmaëas, sages, saintly persons—no. This class of men. For the all fallen. Don’t be disappointed, go on, go on. Stick to the principles. When there was no response, I did not know where to live, where to eat. Sometimes at Dr. Mishra’s, sometimes with some friend somewhere. Where to live. And I was going to inquire the shipping company when the next ship returning to India. Still I was renewing my visa: “Let us hope. Let us hope.” In this way, we started Second Avenue in month of July, I think?
Kértanänanda: June or July.
Prabhupäda: Yes, June or July, yes, June. Then Hayagréva and Kértanänanda Mahäräja, they came first.

Conversation in Airport and Car
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June 21, 1976, Toronto

[Pedro Micho]

Kuladri: But Çréla Prabhupäda, without any desire we have been given the heaviest guru. How is that possible?
Prabhupäda: Hmm? Without any desire?
Kuladri : Without our knowing about Kåñëa, having any desire to become Kåñëa conscious, still we have been given the knowledge.
Prabhupäda: I don’t follow.
Puñöa Kåñëa: He’s saying that by Kåñëa’s mercy we’re here, we’ve taken.
Prabhupäda: Hmm. No. Anyone who is Kåñëa conscious, it is the duty to distribute it. It is his duty. You may... When I came here, I never came here because American boys or people wanted me. They did not feel any need of my presence. But I came here, because it is my duty. My Guru Mahäräja ordered me. So one may think there is need or no need—it is the duty of Kåñëa conscious persons to spread it. Just like the example I have already given. The cloud..., the mountain does not want rain, the sea does not want, but the cloud throws water everywhere.'

Garden Conversation
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June 22, 1976, New Vrindaban

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: What did he say?
Puñöa Kåñëa: He’s back in Europe. This letter’s from Germany. He mentions that he’s getting some more buses and about fifteen more men to come along with some preaching equipment. They plan on leaving early August and are reaching there late August sometime. And so far he mentions that he still has no definite idea how to keep the buses in India, so the other buses will be coming out and two more buses will be coming in. This is his plan. Then he mentions that he had some correspondence with Lokanätha Swami, who’s heading up the traveling party while he’s in Europe, and Lokanätha Swami mentions they’ve been doing saìkértana in Darmashala on the way up to Sri Nagar, Kashmir. And he says they are doing well everywhere they go.
Prabhupäda: India, everywhere they’ll be received very nice.
Puñöa Kåñëa: Prasädam distribution has now been started as a regular part of the program. And they did one program in a town called Dalialama. Immediately two monks and one British hippie joined the party.
Prabhupäda: Two monks means Buddhist monks?
Puñöa Kåñëa: Possibly. And he mentions in the last two weeks after we left Våndävana we picked eight devotees, so they must have more devotees by now. The emphasis on their program he mentions is to make devotees and responsible preachers to carry on the Indian mission. And then he says that we’ve been advertising.
Prabhupäda: Advertising?
Puñöa Kåñëa: Like this. He says “I want to make one banner and poster: ‘Now you can join the Hare Kåñëa movement. Travel all over the world preaching Bhagavad-gétä. All expenses paid. Free food, lodging, etc. No qualification necessary. Apply ISKCON.’ ” It’s like army recruiting.
Prabhupäda: (laughs) No qualification.
Puñöa Kåñëa: And he mentions the situation in Germany, at least the devotees are becoming a little stronger now. Saìkértana is going on nicely.
Prabhupäda: That’s all that we want. Saìkértana must go on.

Morning Walk
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June 6, 1976, New Vrindaban

[Pedro Micho]

Dhåñöadyumna: We were finding, Çréla Prabhupäda, that they could not defeat varëäçrama dharma. They had no society like varëäçrama. In the colleges, they could not understand this body, but we showed them how the society could be arranged harmoniously, and they had no alternative. Their ideas on how to structure society for everyone’s happiness, they have no good ideas. So that preaching platform they could understand, varëäçrama.
Prabhupäda: They’ll understand. I’m just pointing out the difficulties of your preaching. You’ll have to face all these difficulties. They’re like cats and dogs. They are not even human beings. Therefore the business is little hard job. You have to deal with cats and dogs. But still there is hope, because they have got this human form of life. There is hope. It is not hopeless. Don’t be disappointed, but this is the job. You have to meet with cats and dogs. That is my point. When you go to preach you must know that “I’ve come to preach among cats and dogs, and I have to deal with them carefully; otherwise, they will bark.” (laughter) Therefore I wrote that poetry in disappointment before entering in your country, that “What they will understand, this philosophy?”

Garden Discussion on
Bhagavad-gétä Sixteenth Chapter
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June 26, 1976, New Vrindaban

[Pedro Micho]

Devotee (1): There’s one... You’ve quoted Cäëakya Paëòita, and he describes a scholar. A scholar is a man who can see all women as his mother, and all living entities, he treats them equally, and other’s property as trash. So today’s civilization is mistaking a scholar for a rogue and a rogue for a scholar, and here Kåñëa is explaining a godly man, the qualities of a scholar and gentleman, whereas today’s civilization is upside down, backwards.
Prabhupäda: Therefore preaching is required.

Garden Discussion on
Bhagavad-gétä Sixteenth Chapter
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June 26, 1976, New Vrindaban

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: That is the disease. Even Mahatma Gandhi, he was talking of Kåñëa, Bhagavad-gétä, but throughout his whole life he never established a temple of Kåñëa, although his photograph you’ll find with Bhagavad-gétä. This is the calamity.

Evening Darçana
--
July 11, 1976, New York

[Pedro Micho]

Åñi Kumära: It was very beautiful.
Prabhupäda: Yes.
Åñi Kumära: Very nice film.
Prabhupäda: Now make Indian Bengali edition. It will be very much appreciated in India. Yes. Is it not?
Åñi Kumära: Yes, everything looks so pleasing.
Prabhupäda: Yes. They will very much like this movement. Make some Hindi version, Bengali.
Kértanänanda: I think it will be a great success in India.
Prabhupäda: Oh, yes. Kumbhamela we can show. You had been in Kumbhamela?
Åñi Kumära: No, I haven’t. Last time it was Kumbhamela, I was in Bombay. I had to do some business with books and stuff.
Prabhupäda: So you begin this preaching work in India with this film. With few assistants go village to village. They’ll appreciate very much. Here also they will appreciate. What do you think? School, college, university. They’ll get an idea of new life.
Kértanänanda: Yes. There are many colleges that give courses now in alternate life styles.
Prabhupäda: Yes, this a...
Kértanänanda: This film, they will love to show this in class.
Prabhupäda: Yes. This is the alternative life style. It is not that... This is the only. The other thing is fictitious. That’s nice. Keep it. Any other film? No. Make similar films. And I was anxious about food production. That is there, already there.
Kértanänanda: Could have been a little more.
Prabhupäda: No, it is... In nutshell everything is there. Our agriculture, our temple, and food growing, and everything is there. Rädhä-Kåñëa worship. The sum and substance, everything...

Room Conversation After Film
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June 28, 1976, New Vrindaban

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: Do it very sincerely. Don’t spoil life. Be very sober and do this work. Whole world will be happy. After all, they are seeking after happiness. So there is happiness here. So our Åñi Kumära is very intelligent boy. He can do so many things. Don’t spoil him. Whatever is done is done. Sometimes mäyä is strong. He bewilders even Lord Çiva. That is... But Çiva immediately came to his senses—“What I am doing?” So things are going on nice. Continue this program. People will be happy. And I think America is the only place who can spread this Kåñëa consciousness movement happily for the benefit of the whole world. You have got everything sufficient. Now get the Kåñëa intelligence. Now here, in this quarter, sun also rising very nicely. Formerly it was not so bright. Due to this Hare Kåñëa chanting, sun is giving light. Is it not?
Kértanänanda: It is a fact.
Prabhupäda: The more people will be sinful, the place will be dark with cloudy. Nature will always disturb. Tän ahaà dviñataù krürän. They will not be happy. It is not possible. This is the only way to become happy. So, so far as possible, I have given you some framework. Now you fill up.

Room Conversation After Film
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June 28, 1976, New Vrindaban

[Pedro Micho]

Do you want me to go to India, Prabhupäda?
Prabhupäda: Wherever you find suitable.
Åñi Kumära: I was thinking about going back to Los Angeles for a while, because there’s good preaching to be done in Los Angeles and Laguna Beach too. I know a lot of people there.
Prabhupäda: Los Angeles or New York. New York is your old place. But you don’t want to go there?
Åñi Kumära: New York? I can go there, I guess, but...
Prabhupäda: No, you can remain in Los Angeles for the time being.
Åñi Kumära: Because I know a lot of people in Laguna Beach who can be preached to. I think they’d be receptive, people who are...
Prabhupäda: Reception is everywhere if we manage nice.
Åñi Kumära: There are a lot of artists and people who have everything, and they’re living in the nicest..., that’s about the nicest place to live, and they’re all unhappy. My brother’s living there. He’s a psychiatrist, and he’s beginning to understand that the more he thinks, the more confused he gets, and I’ve been preaching to him, and he understands. There are also a lot of devotees who aren’t in the temple now. They like Kåñëa consciousness, but they also can be preached to, I think.
Prabhupäda: Yes, preaching constantly required to keep them in balance. As soon as the balance is tilted over on the mäyä side, then everything is finished.

Room Conversation After Film
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June 28, 1976, New Vrindaban

[Pedro Micho]

Devotee (2): ...rectifying the senators and congressmen, is there much hope in talking to them?
Puñöa Kåñëa: The politicians in Washington. He would like to know if it’s worthwhile talking to them, preaching to them.
Devotee (3): Much hope talking to people like that?
Prabhupäda: He wants to talk?
Devotee (3): Yes, I want to talk to them.
Prabhupäda: No, no. He wants to talk or you want to talk?
Devotee (2): I want to talk to them.
Prabhupäda: No.

Room Conversation
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July 5, 1976, Washington D.C.

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: We are giving the solution, let them take it. This is our greatest contribution.
Viçäkhä: The problem is they believe what they see.
Prabhupäda: Believe or not believe, we shall have to give the people by books, by knowledge, by film.
Hari-çauri: But if somehow or other that sun-moon thing can be proved, then they’ll all be finished, completely.
Prabhupäda: It will not be finished because some rascals, fools will remain to support it.
Svarüpa Dämodara: It’s always like that, just like in Mahäbhärata...
Prabhupäda: Yes.
Svarüpa Dämodara: there was two, demons and the...
Prabhupäda: So this is his world of duality. You cannot have all support on your side. It isn’t...
Svarüpa Dämodara: Yes, we always expect opposition.
Prabhupäda: Oh, yes. That is...
Svarüpa Dämodara: We must be ready for...
Prabhupäda: (indistinct) just like we’re opposing their theory. They are not absolute.

Room Conversation
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July 6, 1976, Washington, D.C.

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: You economically prove that Kåñëa consciousness is simple and inexpensive life.
Devotees: Yes, jaya, mercy.
Prabhupäda: Food, diet, living condition, healthy, hygienic, everything. You prove that this is the best way of life. That’s a fact. From all sides, prove that Kåñëa consciousness movement is essential for the human society, to make them happy in this and the next life. That is a fact.

Room Conversation
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July 6, 1976, Washington, D.C.

[Pedro Micho]

Devotee (1): Çréla Prabhupäda, in our preaching activities we see that, of course, in Kali-yuga more and more individuals are turning away from Kåñëa, or God, thinking that God is dead, they don’t need to do any type of activities for Him. Then how can we explain to these people that they are missing the entire point of life? In other words, they don’t even want to hear. They simply don’t want to hear anything. God is dead, and they think that they are enjoying, and it’s very difficult sometimes to explain to these people that actually they are not enjoying at all.
Prabhupäda: They are müòhas, that is already explained. If you cannot convince them, then avoid them. What can be done? Instead of wasting time, you better avoid them. Upekñä. Useless. Because godless persons means duñkåtino müòhäù narädhamäù. So it is the duty of the preacher to enlighten them also, to take some risk. But if one is unable to take risk, he may avoid them.

Evening Darçana
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July 7, 1976, Washington, D.C.

[Pedro Micho]

Devotee: Another point about this journal is that we will present controversial things, and people may want to write something to refute what we have said.
Prabhupäda: You refute.
Devotee: We can publish that and also our refutation?
Prabhupäda: Yes, that is nice. We invite, “All right, come on.”
Devotee: “Criticize, and we will defeat you.”
Prabhupäda: Yes, it is fighting.

Room Conversation
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July 7, 1976, Baltimore

[Pedro Micho]

In old age I was living a retired life in Våndävana. He asked me “Get out, go to America.” So I came. At the age of seventy years, actually nobody goes out of home. But Kåñëa asked me, “Get out and go.” So I came. And although I have got the best temple in Våndävana, I cannot live there. But a fighting soldier is honored by the government. He maybe dies, he is recognized by the government, “Here is a soldier, laid down his life by fighting.” So we prefer that life. We shall die fighting with mäyä.
Devotees: Jaya.
Dr. Sharma: It is said in çästra that it is better to go out and find salvation for others than to find salvation for yourself.
Prabhupäda: One who seeks salvation for others, he’s already salvation.
Devotees: Jaya.
Prabhupäda: Otherwise, how he can arrange salvation for others? So he hasn’t got to seek for salvation.
Dr. Sharma: How these devotees are finding salvation for others?
Prabhupäda: That means they are already in the platform of salvation.
Dr. Sharma: Through them, you are working for the salvation of others.
Prabhupäda: Janma särthaka kari’ kara para-upakära. That is the injunction, that first of all you become perfect, then try to make others perfect. So anyone is actually trying to do perfection for others, he is already perfect.
Dr. Sharma: The devotees are working for the salvation for everyone.
Prabhupäda: He’s already perfect. Sa guëän samatétyaitän brahma-bhüyäya kalpate [Bg. 14.26]. The one who’s trying for others’ salvation... That is a devotee’s business. Ordinary man cannot do it. Because he’s doing that, it is to be understood that he’s already on the platform of... Because salvation means to remain his own position. Muktir hitvänyathä-rüpaà svarüpeëa vyavasthitiù. Svarüpa is to serve God. So if one is serving on behalf of God, then he’s in svarüpa, mukti. Others are acting for his own benefit, but a devotee is acting for others’ benefit. Therefore he’s already on the platform of liberation.

Evening Darçana
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July 8, 1976, Washington, D.C.

[Pedro Micho]

Tamäla Kåñëa: There are two classes, Broadway and off-Broadway theater. Two different classifications. Broadway is very costly, big productions, very elaborate, and off-Broadway is more simple, but also very often there are good plays there. So this particular temple is located in an off-Broadway location. And actually it’s very prestigious. We can advertise, and people will attend. They will definitely attend, and they’ll even pay for the performances. We don’t feel that we should charge yet, until the caliber of the performance is first class and until they have some full program. Because right now, just like this play only took about..., the dance only took about twenty-five minutes.
Prabhupäda: Altogether.
Tamäla Kåñëa: Yes. Unless they have something that is at least two hours, one and half, two hours, you cannot charge for. People will definitely pay.
Prabhupäda: Pay or not pay, doesn’t matter. They should understand the meaning.(?)

Comments on Bhagavad-gétä Play
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July 12, 1976, New York

[Pedro Micho]

Our philosophy is not that you sit idly and God will send everything, no, not like that. We know God will send everything, still we work. Without God’s sanction nothing can come. But we must be qualified to receive the favor of God. That is our philosophy.

Interview with Newsday Newspaper
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July 14, 1976, New York

[Pedro Micho]

Tamäla Kåñëa: You know, Prabhupäda, I really feel like I should concentrate lot of my preaching here in New York.
Prabhupäda: Do that.
Tamäla Kåñëa: What do you think?
Prabhupäda: Oh, yes. Preaching is required, here or there.
Tamäla Kåñëa: You once said, “A good businessman, if he knows how to do it, he can make more money sitting in one place...”
Prabhupäda: No, no, no. Money is not our aim. Our aim is how people will understand Kåñëa.
Bali-mardana: He is just using that as an analogy for preaching.
Tamäla Kåñëa: That if you have a good place, many people can be attracted, as many as moving around to many places.
Prabhupäda: My Guru Mahäräja was in favor of preaching in the city because you can get many men.
Tamäla Kåñëa: But do you think I should travel a lot, or what is the best thing?
Prabhupäda: Both things should be done.

Room Conversation
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July 18, 1976, New York

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: ...life there is struggle. Without struggling there is no...
Tamäla Kåñëa: We should not be, try to avoid struggle.
Prabhupäda: No. Because we have got preaching point of view. Preaching means struggling. If it was simply bhajana, you can sit down and chant Hare Kåñëa like Haridäsa Öhäkura.

Car Conversation
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July 21, 1976, New York

[Pedro Micho]

Devotee (1): So they will not make some objection if they think we are thinking we have come to preach Hinduism in a Buddhist country?
Prabhupäda: It is not... Don’t establish Deity. Talk on philosophy.
Devotee (1): “God is the supreme controller.”
Prabhupäda: Yes. We accept Lord Buddha as incarnation of God. Show in our books that we have got all respect for Buddha. We do not disrespect Lord Buddha, neither go against him. Anyway, if we get one house to live and a supporter, a big supporter, then our position will be secure. And if our cause is honest, then nobody can check.
Devotee (1): He has said that first I should come and speak to the Prime Minister and then speak at the University, and then see the reaction, and then we can go to see the king and say that this has been the reaction at the universities.
Prabhupäda: Yes. Do it organizedly. They understand French language?
Devotee (1): Yes, English and French. They are very close to Vietnam.
Prabhupäda: Very good. Take this opportunity.
Devotee (1): Hare Kåñëa.
Prabhupäda: Hare Kåñëa. Jaya.

Room Conversation
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July 31, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm)

[Pedro Micho]

So preaching is our life. The more we preach, the more we are successful. Yäre dekha täre kaha ‘kåñëa’-upadeça [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. This is Caitanya Mahäprabhu’s preaching.
ämära äjïäya guru haïä tära’ ei deça
yäre dekha, täre kaha ‘kåñëa’-upadeça’
[Cc. Madhya 7.128]
This is Caitanya Mahäprabhu. Every one of you become guru and deliver the residents of your neighborhood. Ei deça. Wherever you are living, just deliver them. Become their guru. How to become guru? It is not difficult. Yäre dekha täre kaha ‘kåñëa’-upadeça [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. What Kåñëa has said instruct them. You simply repeat it, that’s all. You become guru. So this should be preached all over the world. You learn from Bhagavad-gétä and repeat. You simply say, “Kåñëa said four things: man-manä bhava mad-bhakto mad-yäjé mäà namaskuru [Bg. 18.65]. ‘Just always think of Me.’ Kåñëa said. ‘And just become My devotee. Just worship Me and offer obeisances.’ Kindly do these things.” So if you can induce one person to do these four things, you become guru. Is there any difficulty? Then you become a devotee of Kåñëa. How? Always think of Kåñëa. Worship Kåñëa and offer obeisances. Here is our temple, please come, offer obeisances. Offer little flower if you can secure. Otherwise, obeisances sufficient. And chant Hare Kåñëa. You become guru. To inform this message is difficult? Not at all. You may carry the message. If he’s fortunate, he’ll do it. Even he does not do it, you are carrying the message, you become recognized by Kåñëa. Na ca tasmän manuñyeñu kaçcin me priya-kåttamaù [Bg. 18.69]. You are doing sincerely, then you are recognized by Kåñëa. Just like a canvasser, salesman, goes to the market, tries his best to secure some business. The master sees the report how he has worked. Even though he has not secured a single paisa business, but he has tried to introduce the goods, then he’s bona fide(?). He’s bona fide(?). Similarly, we have to simply carry the message of Kåñëa and try to convince people. If one is convinced, it is good, if not, doesn’t matter, I am not going to.... Then you are recognized by Kåñëa. Recognition means you become the dearest servant of Kåñëa. Then what do you want more? If Kåñëa recognizes that “You are My most dear servant,” then what do you want more? Yäre dekha täre kaha ‘kåñëa’-upadeça [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. So this message was to be carried by all Indians. That is Caitanya Mahäprabhu’s desire.
bhärata-bhümite haila manuñya-janma yära
janma särthaka kari’ kara para-upakära
[Cc. Ädi 9.41]
This is para-upakära. So all Indians should take up this mission and do welfare activity. That is India’s special function.

Room Conversation
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August 2, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm)

[Pedro Micho]

Translator: He also admires very much that you have created disciples who are able to be very courageous in presenting your message. And that even though sometimes at first he was opposed to them, they were very peaceful always and always very nice to him, and this way they brought him slowly to Kåñëa consciousness.
Prabhupäda: That is preaching method. Caitanya Mahäprabhu has recommended, tåëäd api sunécena. You can explain that:
tåëäd api sunécena
taror api sahiñëunä
amäninä mänadena
kértanéyaù sadä hariù
[Cc. adi 17.31]
This is the method by the preacher.

Room Conversation
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August 3, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm)

[Pedro Micho]

Translator: He’s wondering, he’s convinced about Kåñëa consciousness himself, but he is wondering why in a country or a continent like Africa, which is not so scientifically or technologically developed...
Prabhupäda: There is no need of.
Translator: There is no need. So he is wondering why we only have two temples in Africa. Is it because...
Prabhupäda: Because language difficulty.
Translator: Language difficulty.
Prabhupäda: Otherwise, there is no difficulty. Still, even without language, without talking, if you simply chant Hare Kåñëa, everyone will follow. And give them prasädam, they will take. And that will be good preaching. It doesn’t require language or anything. You chant Hare Kåñëa, let them chant Hare Kåñëa, and give them nice prasäda. They will take. That will be good preaching. But who is chanting, he must be a sincere devotee. Then his chanting will be effective. A gramophone machine will not do. He must be realized, then his chanting will be effective. Satäà prasaìgän mama vérya-saàvido bhavanti håt-karëa-rasäyanäù kathäù. He must behave just like a pure Vaiñëava. Then if he chants, his chanting will be effective. Just like electricity. If I am surcharged with electricity, I touch, you also become electric. And if he touches, he’ll become. But if one is not in touch with electricity, then it will not act. So one must be electrified. Then if he touches somebody, he’ll be electrified. If there is no electricity, simply by touching, he’ll not do.
Translator: He says that on the Ivory Coast, this country, until he becomes electrified, he knows that the President of the country is very favorable to our movement, he has the Bhagavad-gétä and he thinks that we should open a temple there.
Prabhupäda: Immediately do it. Immediately do it. I am simply explaining the process. But do it immediately, Kåñëa will give you power. If you are sincere, you’ll be electrified. There is no doubt.

Room Conversation
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August 3, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm)

[Pedro Micho]

Translator: He says we’re always forcing him to take prasädam. This is not freedom. (laughter)
Prabhupäda: Yes, this child has to be forced to do something. For his interest.
Bhagavän: Prabhupäda once gave the analogy sometimes when the horse is sick, the doctor takes the pill in the hand, he puts it down the throat.
Prabhupäda: No, we are prepared. Just like horse is not prepared to take the medicine. But four men force him to take the medicine. Nobody was crying for this edition of Bhägavata, but we are forcing, “You must read. You must take.” We are printing and forcing everyone. French edition, Bhägavata’s edition, they were not dying for this book, but this is our force.

Meeting with Italian Printer
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August 5, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm)

[Pedro Micho]

Dayänanda: It is quite easy, because they need foreigners to come and work here.
Prabhupäda: So that is very, very good.
Dayänanda: So they give visas very easily for working.
Prabhupäda: Oh. Especially to Americans?
Dayänanda: Yes.
Prabhupäda: That’s very good opportunity. Bring more Americans and start this movement nicely. Not necessarily that we have to establish a temple. We want to preach our philosophy. That is most important. Bhägavata-märga. There are two ways, bhägavata-märga and päïcarätriki. The bhägavata-märga is more important than päïcarätriki. Päïcarätriki is Deity worship.

Room Conversation
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August 8, 1976, Tehran

[Pedro Micho]

ya idaà paramaà guhyaà
mad-bhakteñv abhidhäsyati
bhaktià mayi paräà kåtvä
mäm evaiñyaty asaàçayaù
[Bg 18.68]
“For one who explains the supreme secret to the devotees, devotional service is guaranteed, and at the end he will come back to Me.”
na ca tasmän manuñyeñu
kaçcin me priya-kåttamaù
bhavitä na ca me tasmäd
anyaù priyataro bhuvi
[Bg. 18.69]
“There is no servant in this world more dear to Me than he, nor will there ever be one more dear.”
Prabhupäda: This is decided, that if we present this Bhagavad-gétä as it is, ya idaà param? What is that? Ya idaà paramaà guhyam [Bg 18.68]?
Pradyumna:
ya idaà paramaà guhyaà
mad-bhakteñv abhidhäsyati
bhaktià mayi paräà kåtvä
mäm evaiñyaty asaàçayaù
[Bg 18.68]
Prabhupäda: Asaàçayäh. So he becomes immediately recognized by Kåñëa. If you preach Bhagavad-gétä as it is, immediately you become recognized. Na ca tasmän manuñyeñu kaçcin me priya-kåttamaù [Bg. 18.69]. So one has to understand it perfectly well and then preach, then his life is perfect. And what Saïjaya says? Yatra yogeçvaro?
Pradyumna:
yatra yogeçvaraù kåñëo
yatra pärtho dhanur-dharaù
tatra çrér vijayo bhütir
dhruvä nétir matir mama
Prabhupäda: Jaya.
Pradyumna: “Wherever there is Kåñëa, the master of all mystics, and wherever there is Arjuna, the supreme archer, there will also certainly be opulence, victory, extraordinary power, and morality. That is my opinion.”
Prabhupäda: So understand Kåñëa like Arjuna. Then Kåñëa is there, Arjuna is there, and all victory is there.

Evening Darçan
--
August 10, 1976, Tehran

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: Yes. There is no end of such things. Therefore unless one accepts a person guru, there is no need of talking. Tad vijïänärthaà sa gurum eväbhigacchet [MU 1.2.12]. Unless one accepts somebody as guru, the instruction will not be fruitful. Just like Arjuna is accepting Kåñëa as guru. So long he was talking as friend, it was not effective. Arjuna therefore decided... Find out that verse, kärpaëya-doñopahata-svabhävaù.
Harikeça:
kärpaëya-doñopahata-svabhävaù
påcchämi tväà dharma-sammüòha-cetäù
yac chreyaù syän niçcitaà brühi tan me
çiñyas te ’haà çädhi mäà tväà prapannam
“Now I am confused about my duty and have lost all composure because of weakness. In this condition I am asking You to tell me clearly what is best for me. Now I am Your disciple, and a soul surrendered unto You. Please instruct me.”
Prabhupäda: This is the position. Unless one feels like that and asks somebody, a superior, accepts him as guru, there is no use talking. It will not be useful. This is the position. If the injunction is tad vijïänärthaà sa gurum eväbhigacchet [MU 1.2.12], if anyone is interested to know about the transcendental subject matter, he must approach a guru, and unless one approaches a guru, he cannot understand, and if by force I become guru, he may not be interested. This is the position. But still, for a preacher, he has to do something against all odds. That is preaching. You cannot expect favorable position. Your question was that we go and they say like this, but you cannot expect that wherever you are going you’ll find favorable situation to talk. That you must understand. But you have to preach, you have to create favorable situation. That is your duty.(?) You cannot expect. If they are not prepared to take good instruction. Where is that fan?
Hari-çauri: He’s bringing it.
Prabhupäda: You cannot expect favorable situation. It is not possible. When I came in America, I never expected any favorable situation. I wrote that poetry in disappointment, that “Who will accept this?” That is the position. By Kåñëa’s grace, gradually it will become a favorable situation, but don’t expect any favorable situation. You have to handle unfavorable situation and make favorable situation to preach. That is preaching. Any business. (to devotee fanning:) Just on the head. Just see, there is flies. So Nityänanda Prabhu, He went to preach to Jagäi-Mädhäi. There was no favorable situation. They were drunkards. They caused injury on the body of Nityänanda Prabhu. So this is preaching with only unfavorable situation. You cannot expect favorable situation. And still you have to preach. That is preaching. They will speak like madmen, so many things. They are mad, after all. Nünaà pramattaù kurute vikarma [Bhäg. 5.5.4]. They have no sense. All materialistic persons are madmen. Still, by the order of superior, Caitanya Mahäprabhu, we have to do this preaching work. Actually, the American boys are fighting against so many unfavorable situations. They are sometimes beaten in the airport, you know that? Still they are preaching; that is preaching, that is preaching. “The unfavorable situation, so let me give it up,” that is not preaching. Yes, we must know that there is unfavorable situation, still I have to. That depends on your brain, how to tackle. You cannot expect favorable situation.

Room Conversation
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August 10, 1976, Tehran

[Pedro Micho]

ou try to discuss on this point, how people can refuse the proprietorship of God. That is a very good point for preaching. Éçäväsyam idaà sarvam. Éçäväsyam idaà sarvam. Everything belongs to God. That’s a fact.

Room Conversation
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August 10, 1976, Tehran

[Pedro Micho]

Nava-yauvana: Everything you say, Prabhupäda, makes sense. Everything you say makes sense.
Prabhupäda: Yes, our preaching should be sensible, then people will accept. After all, they are human being. There is sense, but by force they are covering the sense. So we have to awaken them by handling carefully, that’s all. Caitanya Mahäprabhu, jév jägo, jév jägo gauracända bole. Who are... Uttiñöhata jägrata präpya varan nibodhata. They are sleeping. We have awaken them, that’s it. That is preaching.

Room Conversation
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August 10, 1976, Tehran

[Pedro Micho]

Jïänagamya: I met a man on the plane coming here just recently Prabhupäda, and he had translated Bhagavad-gétä into Parsi, the Persian language, and I invited him to come here, but he is not coming. He is afraid to meet you, I’m sure. And I told him... He was smoking cigarettes and was buying, purchasing liquor on the plane, and I said, “Why are you doing this?”
Prabhupäda: Your duty you have done, that’s all.
Jïänagamya: I said “Why are you doing this? Kåñëa asks for controlled senses, but if you know Kåñëa, then you would have no difficulty, you don’t need these things.”
Prabhupäda: In the beginning if you said, they will not hear.

Evening Darçana
--
August 11, 1976, Tehran

[Pedro Micho]

Nava-yauvana: [break] ...this test depends on one’s faith in Kåñëa?
Prabhupäda: Faith in Kåñëa? What do you mean by faith?
Hari-çauri: If you want to pass the test, he says, does that depend on one’s faith?
Prabhupäda: What does that faith mean?
Ätreya Åñi: Conviction.
Prabhupäda: What is that conviction? Describe it.
Ätreya Åñi: That Kåñëa is the controller.
Prabhupäda: Kåñëa is controller. You may have faith or no faith, that doesn’t matter.
Hari-çauri: If one is convinced that Kåñëa will always protect him.
Nava-yauvana: When he’s convinced to abide by the instructions of...
Prabhupäda: Faith means that you are meant for giving some service to Kåñëa. You should stick to that service, that path, in spite of all impediments. That is the passing of test. Generally, just like we are meant for preaching Kåñëa consciousness. So there may be severe test, but still we shall remain determined. That is wanted. There may be so many impediments, punishment, still you should do that. That is wanted. That is test. Not that as soon as there is some difficulty I give it up. There may be severe test, but still we shall not give it up. We must go on. That is determination.
Nava-yauvana: Passing the test means executing the order of the spiritual master.
Prabhupäda: Yes, that is spiritual life. One has to take order from the spiritual master and execute it, despite all impediments. That is determination.

Morning Walk
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August 11, 1976, Tehran

[Pedro Micho]

Yesterday, I think, in Tehran, one boy came. He proposed that is it not good to help others? I immediately challenged, “What you have got you can help? What is your asset?” You cannot help. It is simply bogus proposition. If you can help, you can simply help by spreading Kåñëa consciousness, as Caitanya Mahäprabhu said, yäre dekha täre kaha kåñëa-upadeça [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. “Sir, I have come to you.” “Why?” “To request you that you become Kåñëa conscious.” “How?” Man-manä bhava mad-bhaktaù, “Always think of Me, just become My devotee, offer little obeisances.” Anyone can do, a child can do. You cannot do? What is the difficulty to become Kåñëa conscious? Is there any difficulty? You haven’t got to practice any yoga process, pressing your nose or keeping your head or this or that, no. Nothing. Man-manä bhava mad-bhakto mad-yäjé mäà namaskuru mäm evaiñyasi asaàçayaù [Bg. 18.65]. “Without any doubt you are coming back to Me.” And that is the highest perfection, tyaktvä dehaà punar janma naiti [Bg. 4.9]. There is no difficulty in preaching this Kåñëa consciousness. There is no difficulty to accept it. And the result is the supreme.
Indian Doctor: These are the people who have no faith.
Prabhupäda: Therefore you have to canvass. They have no faith, I know that. Then why there is necessity of preaching all over the world? They have no faith, it is a fact. And you have to create faith. That is preaching. Padayor nipatya. That Prabodhänanda Sarasvaté,
dante nidhäya tåëakaà padayor nipatya
kåtvä ca käku-ç atam etad ahaà bravémi
he sädhavaù sakalam eva vihäya düräd
gauräìga-candra-caraëe kurutänurägam
This is preaching. Prabodhänanda Sarasvaté, what is that? Käku-çataà padayor nipatya, käku-çatam kåtvä, çatam, “I fall down on your feet and I am flattering you with folded hands.” “Why? Why? What do you want to say?” “Yes, I have to say something.” “What is that? Say it! Why you are becoming so humble?” “Yes, I have to say.” “What? Say it!” He sädhavaù, “You are a very nice sädhu. But you forget all nonsense.”
Indian Doctor: That’s kåñëa-upakära.(?)
Prabhupäda: He sädhavaù sakalam eva vihäya, “Whatever nonsense you have learned—forget.” Then what to do? Käku-çataà bravémi sakalam eva vihäya düräd gauräìga-candra-caraëe kurutänurägam. “You just become devotee of Lord Caitanya. I am flattering you, I am falling down on your feet”—this is preaching. And what is Caitanya Mahäprabhu? Yäre dekha täre kaha kåñëa-upadeça [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. And if you do that, then what is the result? Na ca tasmän manuñyeñu kaçcin me priya-kåttamaù [Bg. 18.69]. If one is doing like that, Kåñëa immediately recognizes, “Oh, you are the best friend of Mine.” So if you are recognized by Kåñëa, then what you want more? You are undergoing so much austerities and... To be recognized by God. And God says that “Immediately I recognize you.” Whom? One who is doing this. Ya idaà paramaà guhyaà mad-bhakteñv abhidhäsyati [Bg 18.68]. Na ca tasmän manuñyeñu kaçcin me priya-kåttamaù [Bg. 18.69]. Immediately. You may be a fool, you may be rascal, you may be illiterate. But if you do this, immediately Kåñëa recognizes. Kåñëa never said that unless one is a big grammarian, big scientist, big politician, big engineer, big doctor, then I can do it. No. Simply one who does this. Ya idaà paramaà guhyam [Bg 18.68]. What is that paramaà guhyam? Sarva-dharmän parityajya [Bg. 18.66]. “Give up all nonsense. Surrender to Me.” This is paramaà guhyam.

Room Conversation
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August 14, 1976, Bombay

[Pedro Micho]

And the local people there, they are very innocent people. They don’t seem to have any type of enmity or envy at all. They all come and chant and see. Although they don’t strictly follow the rules, naturally. They eat fish and other things and smoke, but they seem to be simple people. If someone would work with him, I think he could make the whole village gradually Kåñëa conscious.
Prabhupäda: Yes.
Jayapatäkä: But who that person is right now to work, that we have to train up some of our men. Because right now...
Prabhupäda: He can do, Svarüpa. He can take training, and he can do. And then, gradually, others will join.
Jayapatäkä: I think all the children, they could become brahmacärés. If the parents would be agreeable, they could become brahmacärés and attend morning some class, then go to school. In this way the whole village could be made Kåñëa conscious at least by chanting and...
Prabhupäda: Chanting is the main thing. Chanting and distributing prasädam.

Room Conversation
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August 17, 1976, Hyderabad

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: To be quickly recognized by Kåñëa, this is the short-cut process. He never says those who are sitting in a secluded place meditating or chanting, doing nothing. He never says that “They are My very dear devotees.” But those who are preaching—na ca tasmän manuñyeñu kaçcin me [Bg. 18.69]. Just like government takes more care for the soldiers, especially when there is fighting. They are giving life for the state. So their comfort—first consideration. In the warfield, enough supplies. Anything the soldiers require. Enough supplies. Sometimes the store is blown out. And again another store is ready. Therefore in the wartime they control. [break] ...destroy them. And still another store. So therefore supply is sufficient. Civil supplies become controlled. Whatever they want, supply is there.

Room Conversation
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August 22, 1976, Hyderabad

[Pedro Micho]

(Unless) one is enthused, he cannot preach. It is not possible. I went there when I was seventy years old. I was sitting in Våndävana. So I thought that my Guru Mahäräja wanted me, Caitanya Mahäprabhu wanted me... So in this old age let me try. (indistinct). But by Kåñëa’s grace it is becoming successful. Teñäà satata-yuktänäà bhajatäà préti-pürvakam, dadämi buddhi-yogaà tam [Bg. 10.10]. So there is good field for propagating this cult.

Meeting with
Endowments Commissioner
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August 24, 1976, Hyderabad

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: ...Sannyäsé should go on preaching, preaching, preaching, preaching. Practically, I was sitting here in Våndävana, in Rädhä-Dämodara temple. So at the age of seventy years, nobody goes out. At least from Våndävana nobody goes at the age of seventy years. But Kåñëa asked me. I thought that I must go, Guru Mahäräja wanted it, Caitanya Mahäprabhu... Let me try. So if I had not gone then this institution would not have developed. So this is practical. Mahataù nirvicaraëam.(?) Mahätmä, they must move. So when there is absolute necessity they may stay. Otherwise, they must move. Move on, move on, move on, move on, move on. No staying. That is principle. No staying. I am this old age, I cannot move... My... I... So many... Still I am traveling all over the world. I am simply interested that whatever I have done, it may not be vanquished in my absence. Let me go and encourage them. Otherwise, I have no capacity to move now. But still I am moving. Only for this purpose. Girinaà grhna-cetasam.(?) So a sannyäsé must move. A sannyäsé must not stay anywhere more than three days. That is the principle. So he was moving, but his moving is creating disturbances here. Therefore I have stopped. And besides that, a temple is nirguëa. A sannyäsé is forbidden to stay anywhere else, but in a temple he can stay for more than three days provided there is business. Otherwise, there is no necessity. So this is the exclusion(?).
Gopäla Kåñëa: That solves all the problems.
Prabhupäda: No, solves or not solves, we shall see later on. But this is the principle. This is the principle. Solution, if we do not become very simple servant of Kåñëa, problems will increase. It will never be solved. If you have got any other desire than to serve Kåñëa, then the problems will increase. It will never decrease. Therefore bhakti begins, anyäbhiläñitä-çünyam [BRS 1.1.11]. No other purpose than to serve Kåñëa. This is only purpose. Änukülyena kåñëänuçélanam. So our only business is how to satisfy Kåñëa. Kåñëa in His original status as Kåñëa, and in His other status as Caitanya Mahäprabhu, and in both ways, He’s insisting to preach. That is a very important business. Neither Caitanya Mahäprabhu nor Kåñëa has recommended that you become a great devotee and sit down in a place and talk big, big words and simply eat and sleep. Kåñëa has never said. That is not Kåñëa’s neither Caitanya Mahäprabhu’s business. That is not required. Boro boro bado bado phet lanka mata kore het.(?) “Big, big monkey, big, big belly, Ceylon jumping, melancholy.” There are very many big, big bellies in Våndävana, but if they’re asked to preach Caitanya Mahäprabhu’s mission all over the world—melancholy. Melancholy. Big, big monkey, big, big belly. So you have taken a very great mission that world preaching, that is very, very nice decision. So you have got buses and you have got capacity. You do this. And one in Germany, one in India, come and go, come and go.

Room Conversation
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September 5, 1976, Våndävana

[Pedro Micho]

Märobi räkhobi jo icchä tohärä. Surrender means that. “Kåñëa, I have surrendered to You. Now if You like You can protect me. If you like You can kill me. Whatever you like, do.” That’s all. Märobi räkhobi jo icchä tohärä nitya-däsa prati tuwä adhikärä. “I am your eternal servant. You have got full right. Either you kill me or protect me, that is your business. But I surrender.” Bas. This is surrender. Märobi räkhobi jo icchä tohärä. This is surrender. If you put me into inconvenience, then I’m not going to surrender. That is conditional. (laughs) Bhaktivinoda Öhäkura says whatever you like you can do. That is Caitanya Mahäprabhu’s teaching. Äçliñya vä päda-ratäà pinañöu mäm marma-hatäà karotu vä adarçanän, yathä tathä vä vidadhätu. Whatever you like you do. Yathä tathä vä. Yathä tathä, whatever you like. It is up to you. I don’t object. Yathä tathä vä vidadhätu lampaöo.
Akñayänanda: If one is not a very strong devotee, should one have that same attitude of going...
Prabhupäda: That is wanted. Dåòha-vrata. That is perfection. Bhajante mäà dåòha-vratäù.
Hari-çauri: No, he’s saying if you’re not very fixed up then should you still go out and preach. If you’re not very fixed up...
Prabhupäda: No, nobody is fixed. Nobody is perfect. But by rendering service he becomes perfect. The more you render service you become perfect. Not that in one day you become perfect.
Hari-çauri: Because I remember you also said that preaching is not for neophytes. You also said...
Prabhupäda: Neophyte means that kaniñöha-adhikäré. One worships the Deity very nicely but he does not like to do good to others. Neither he knows who is Vaiñëava. He’s neophyte. He is, in the arcanä, he’s fixed up, he’s doing very nicely. Arcäyäm eva haraye. Yaù çraddhä..., püjäà yaù çraddhayehate na tad-bhakteñu. One does not understand who is bhakta. Na tad-bhakteñu cänyeñu. And how to do good to others. But he’s doing the Deity worship very nicely. Sa bhaktaù präkåtaù småtaù. He’s präkåta. But he can advance when his, by the grace of Kåñëa, he understands “Here is a Vaiñëava. Here is an innocent man. He should be given some enlightenment.” That is preacher. When he’ll feel for others. Just like Prahläda Mahäräja. Çoce tato vimukha-cetasa. “I am thinking of these rascals who are averse to you.” Tato vimukha-cetasa. And that is Vaiñëava. Advanced devotee. For me I have no anxiety. Naivodvije para duratyaya-vai... There may be so many dangers. I don’t care for them. Naiva udvije. “I am not disturbed by all these things.” Udvije. Para duratyaya. Even it is very insurmountable, dangerous position, I don’t care. How? Tvad-vérya-gäyana-mahämåta-magna-cittaù.” Because when I think of You, chant of Your glories, I don’t care for that.” Then you appear to be morose? “Yes.” Why? Çoce tato vimukha-cetasa. “I am thinking of these rascals who are averse to You. How to do... They are engaged in false activities, mäyä-sukhäya, for temporary happiness of the senses. So I am thinking like them. Therefore I am morose. For me I have no anxiety.” And actually, what Prahläda Mahäräja... He was thrown to the fire, he was thrown from the hill and underneath the... He didn’t care. “Whatever you’ll do I’ll chant Hare Kåñëa. So how he’ll be unhappy for himself? He has already passed all these examinations. His father! Not other. His own father. He’s helpless. He’s under father’s care, and the father is giving so much trouble. All right, if he likes, go on. Everyone expects affection from the father. He’s five years old boy. Where he will go? No, no, no, no. “I’ll take shelter of Kåñëa and you can go on with your business. I don’t care for your punishment.”

Garden Conversation
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September 6, 1976, Våndävana

[Pedro Micho]

So I have got all encouragement. Go and preach. Don’t be afraid. Simply present, yäre dekha täre kaha kåñëa-upadeça [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. Whatever you have learned from Kåñëa, from your guru, just vomit it, that’s all. There is no need of becoming very expert. Simply whatever you learned. That’s all.
Harikeça: Lots of kértana and prasädam?
Prabhupäda: That’s it. That is our main... Anyone will like. Chant mantra, Hare Kåñëa, and give them prasädam, and everyone will take.

Garden Conversation
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September 6, 1976, Våndävana

[Pedro Micho]

Akñayänanda: Çréla Prabhupäda, is it a sign of advancement in devotional service...
Prabhupäda: Branch?
Akñayänanda: Advancement. If somebody wants to preach. Is that the sign of advancement?
Prabhupäda: Oh yes.
Akñayänanda: That’s the first sign.
Prabhupäda: When one is very anxious to preach, that is advancement.
Akñayänanda: And if one is not very anxious to preach, he is not very advanced.
Prabhupäda: Then he should stick to Deity worship very nicely. Following the rules and regulations, cleansing. Çré-vigrahärädhana-nitya-nänä-çåìgära-tan-mandira-märjanädau **. This nitya, you take very seriously.
Akñayänanda: And then when he becomes advanced....
Prabhupäda: Automatically he will be anxious to preach. Automatically.
Akñayänanda: Ultimately.
Prabhupäda: Not ultimately. Automatically. Just like in a small time, our, that Kåñëa däsa? He knows English, he knows French, he knows... What does it mean? He has heard it. Now he’ll want to speak. That is the natural sequence. If anyone has listened from the authority about Kåñëa, he wants to speak again. That is preaching. Not that “I have listened about Kåñëa, that’s all right.” No. When he wants to speak to others, that is advancement. That is wanted. Çravaëaà kértanam. That is the test that he has advanced. Näma, rüpa, guëa, lélä (indistinct).
Devotee: Does he have to speak immediately, or he can speak after some time.
Prabhupäda: No, no, not immediately. Immediately how you can speak. Unless he knows, what he’ll speak? It is better not to speak than speaking all nonsense. He must learn first of all what is the philosophy, what is the science. Then he can speak.

Garden Conversation
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September 6, 1976, Våndävana

[Pedro Micho]

If there is real reality, just like first class pure ghee... If one tastes, he’ll hanker after. Without any advertisement, by the taste of the ghee, it will go on. Is it not? If you put little pure ghee on the rice, it will be so tasteful, that he’ll want it again. But give the pure thing. Kåñëa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Try to give Him to the people. And how to take it? Hare Kåñëa. He hasn’t got to pay anything. God has given him the tongue. Induce him, chant Hare Kåñëa. And that is the beginning. Sevonmukhe hi jihvädau. It begins from the jihvä. So people will be surprised, “How God consciousness begins with jihvä?” That they do not know. Çästra says sevonmukhe hi jihvädau. Jihvä, the tongue is the beginning of Kåñëa consciousness. God consciousness. People are surprised, they think the mind, speculative mind is the beginning. No. Çästra says tongue is the beginning. Muni, åñi, muni. Muni means speculator. So they think speculative mind is the beginning of God consciousness. But çästra says no, not the mind. Manorathenäsati dhävato bahiù [SB 5.18.12]. If one is speculator, he will be on the material field. Asata. Asato mä sad gamaya. “Don’t remain in the asat. Come to the reality.” That reality begins from the tongue. Sevonmukhe hi jihvädau. Jihvä ädi, ädau. So give them chance to chant Hare Kåñëa and give them chance to taste prasäda. They’ll be... That’s all. Jihvädau. Utilize the tongue, primarily. And gradually everything will be...

Room Conversation (Bullock Cart SKP)
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September 12, 1976, Våndävana

[Pedro Micho]

So preaching is independent. If you have got desire, you can preach in any circumstances and Kåñëa will help you. I have practically experienced. I went to your country without any help, without any money. Alone. And gradually things developed. (end side one) ...all foreigners. I did not approach any Indian. I did not approach anyone, but Kåñëa sent friends, gradually developed.

Room Conversation
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September 30, 1976, Våndävana

[Pedro Micho]

...the duty of human being, präëaiù, with life, arthaiù, with money, dhiyä, with intelligence, and väcä, by words. If one sacrifices his life for Kåñëa’s cause, then it is first-class. If he cannot sacrifice his life for Kåñëa he can contribute his hard-earned money for Kåñëa. If he cannot do so, if he has no money, he can give some intelligence. If he is not intelligent, then he can give some words. Just like we are doing preaching. We are preaching, kåñëas tu bhagavän svayam. So without any jugglery of words we present to the people that “Here is Bhagavän,” kåñëas tu bhagavän svayam. So giving some words, sacrificing some words... Not that every one of us is very highly educated or very rich. Still, if we carry the words of Kåñëa... As Kåñëa says, mattaù parataraà nänyat kiïcid asti dhanaïjaya [Bg. 7.7], so we have to carry these words, that “The Supreme Personality of Godhead is Kåñëa.” Where is the difficulty? It is authorized. Kåñëa says and we simply carry the words. So where is difficulty? So simply by carrying these words that “Kåñëa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He wants that you surrender unto Him.” So any child can carry these words. Any foolish man can carry these words. And if you do that, Caitanya Mahäprabhu says, then you become guru, simply by carrying these words. Ämära äjïäya guru haïä tära’ ei deça [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. Even in your village, in your home, you can say to your wife, to your children. They will accept you that “Kåñëa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead.” Then you become guru at home. Where is the difficulty? Is there any difficulty? But people will not do that. This truth they will not say. What is the reason? Say what is the reason why they do not carry this message, simply to say everyone, whomever you meet. You are meeting daily with your wife, your children, your friends. If you simply do this missionary work and say that “Kåñëa is the Supreme,” then you become a great devotee. You become a guru. Why people do not do so? It is not very difficult task. This is Caitanya Mahäprabhu’s mission. He said that “By My order you become a guru.” Indians especially are advised to become guru because Indians, however fallen they may be, they still have respect for Kåñëa. Every home, they perform Kåñëa’s Janmäñöamé. So therefore Indians are fortunate. They recognize Kåñëa. Now, to become little more advanced, let them act as Kåñëa’s servant. Kåñëa came to speak this truth, that “I am the Supreme.” Mattaù parataraà nänyat kiïcid asti dhanaïjaya [Bg. 7.7]. Sarva-dharmän parityajya mäm ekaà çaraëam [Bg. 18.66]. He appeared to speak this philosophy. And if you do the same work, that “Kåñëa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead,” then you are serving the mission of Kåñëa, great service to Kåñëa. The words for which He appeared on this earth, if you simply carry these words door to door, village to village, man to man, then you become a guru, a real guru. Not to pose yourself a guru without any knowledge of Kåñëa. That is cheating. And to accept and understand Kåñëa the Supreme thoroughly and preach these words, that “Kåñëa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead,” is the supreme success of life. What is the difficulty? Is there any difficulty? Why don’t you do that? I have to bring all these young men from Europe and America to speak to you this truth. Why our young men is not coming to speak this truth? Hm? What is the difficulty? That means willfully they are denying the success of life. Willfully. Then what can be done? If somebody willfully commits suicide, who can save him? This is our position at the present moment. The Narottama däsa Öhäkura sings, jäniyä çuniyä biña khäinu: “I have drunk poison knowingly.” So if somebody knowingly drinks poison, then who can save him? So we are doing that. Without preaching the gospel of Kåñëa consciousness we are drinking poison willfully. This is our position.
hari hari biphale janama goìäinu
manuñya-janama päiyä, rädhä-kåñëa nä bhajiyä,
jäniyä çuniyä biña khäinu
Narottama däsa Öhäkura regrets, “My Lord, I have lost or I have wasted my valuable life as human being by not accepting Kåñëa consciousness. Hari hari biphale janama goìäinu, manuñya-janama päiyä: “I got this opportunity of human life but I could not worship Rädhä-Kåñëa. Therefore voluntarily, willingly, I have drunk poison.” Jäniyä çuniyä biña khäinu. Golokera prema-dhana, hari-näma-saìkértana, rati nä janmilo kene täya: “This transcendental Hare Kåñëa mantra, it is not ordinary vibration. This vibration is coming from the spiritual world but I have no attraction.” Hare Kåñëa.

Evening Darçana
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December 3, 1976, Hyderabad

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: Take for example satyagraha. Satyagraha... What is the satyagraha? That is the child’s play. Just like a child, he wants something. You are not giving him. He’ll cry. He’ll force you. So is there any çästric injunction? Now these things have become popular. Real thing rejected, and some false thing presented by childish attempt, that is accepted.
Guest (1): But sir, would you not agree that in order to appeal to the masses or to make masses into any movement...
Prabhupäda: No, it is... You see... It is not... If you want to become an educated man or if you want to give first-class education, it is not for the mass. It is for the leader. Yad yad äcarati çreñöhas tat tad evetaro janaù. If the leaders are educated, then others will follow. But if the leaders are not educated, what the others will do? That is the difficulty. And the so-called leaders, without being educated, they become leader.

Morning Walk
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December 25, 1976, Bombay

[Pedro Micho]

...learn this philosophy and preach. That is the best service.

Morning Walk
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December 25, 1976, Bombay

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: (Hindi) Yäre dekha täre kaha kåñëa-upadeça [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. You simply repeat, recite, the instruction of Kåñëa. That is preaching. That is preaching. And we are doing the same thing. We are doing. We are not introducing any new interpretation. Whatever Kåñëa has said, bas, finished. And that is becoming effective. We haven’t got to manufacture anything.

Room Conversation
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December 26, 1976, Bombay

[Pedro Micho]

Gopäla Kåñëa: But now we should not teach them any exercise at all?
Prabhupäda: This is exercise. If he sits down two hours like that, it is more than exercise.
Gopäla Kåñëa: But this may not satisfy them. They may want to do...
Prabhupäda: No, we are not going to satisfy them. This is our... This is our process. If you want to learn, then we have to learn according to Bhagavad-gétä. We are not going to flatter you.
Hari-çauri: If we explain that the whole purpose of the exercises...
Prabhupäda: That is the explanation required.
Gopäla Kåñëa: Is to concentrate, and by concentration your health will improve.
Hari-çauri: The idea is to tone the body so the senses are subdued.
Prabhupäda: Yes.
Hari-çauri: So we engage their senses in kértana.
Prabhupäda: That is the actual fact. You read that portion.
Jagadéça: They are coming to India to learn yoga, right? What is the perfection of yoga? Kåñëa consciousness.
Gopäla Kåñëa: Yes, but they...
Prabhupäda: They cannot dictate. That is not...
Hari-çauri: If they want exercise, we can stand them up, arms in the air, they can dance and they can chant.
Prabhupäda: Yes.
Gopäla Kåñëa: We’ll make the kértana so ecstatic that they are jumping.
Prabhupäda: Yes, he can dance. He can dance.
Hari-çauri: Then they jump and then...
Prabhupäda: Dance and chant. This is best exercise. We allow them to dance very... Yes. High jump. Actually that is exercise and, at the same time ecstasy. If they dance and chant Hare Kåñëa, it is automatically a very big exercise and spiritual advancement. Yes. Yes. There is no doubt about it. If he chants and dances, immediately he become ecstatic.
Hari-çauri: Breathing is there.
Prabhupäda: Ah! Yes.
Hari-çauri: Everything is there.
Gopäla Kåñëa: Of course, that why... It depends on the teacher. If the teacher is a very good speaker and preacher, he can, right in the introduction, point out how this yoga is different from the other yogas which are bogus.
Prabhupäda: Don’t say it is different. It is the authorized.
Hari-çauri: There’s no need to mention anything else.
Prabhupäda: It is authorized, and it is taught by Kåñëa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Others are unauthorized. This is authorized. And that’s a fact. This is authorized. And others, those, they are manufactured. Just like they have manufa...
Gopäla Kåñëa: It is authorized in the Bhagavad-gétä.
Prabhupäda: In every... Bhagavad... This is Vedic. Bhagavad-gétä means the words of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. And which other way can be authorized way? You have to impress that upon.
Jagadéça: That’s two hours.
Gopäla Kåñëa: Yes. Another one hour...
Prabhupäda: Chanting, dancing.
Gopäla Kåñëa: Actually...
Prabhupäda: They haven’t got to attend other classes. Let them chant and dance, kértana, other one hour. Because here is the class. They’ll simply sit down in that yogic posture and hear. That’s all. You explain.
Gopäla Kåñëa: These people are... I understand this...
Jagadéça: No, they have a misconception what yoga is.
Gopäla Kåñëa: I know, I know. But if we want to get repeat business...
Prabhupäda: No no, we are not after business. This is our...
Hari-çauri: Our program is the most attractive.
Prabhupäda: Yes.
Hari-çauri: When they go to these yoga classes; they don’t get anything.
Prabhupäda: We are not going to flatter them. If you want to learn, you have to learn according to the authorized way.
Jagadéça: The appeal of these other groups is sex. We’re not interested in that.
Gopäla Kåñëa: No I’m not saying sex.
Jagadéça: Well, it is. That’s how they’re appealing.
Hari-çauri: Their whole platform is bogus then.
Prabhupäda: They are all bogus. Bogus. We are not going to follow the bogus. At least in these seven days they must not have any sex. Then he will be all right. They’ll get some benefit.
Hari-çauri: Yes. That’s described here also. That will come out automatically in the class, that one has to sit...
Prabhupäda: They will have to take thrice bath and eat frugally, not voraciously. If they want real treatment, that will benefit them. If they have got some ideas of yoga and we have to cheat them, that is impossible.
Jagadéça: Why should we have to cheat them?
Prabhupäda: They want to be cheated but we cannot cheat. For getting some customer you have to flatter them—that is not possible. And while explaining the çlokas, you have to stress on this point, that this is bona fide; all others are cheating. That requires on your preaching power.
Hari-çauri: Actually I was reading through your purports in this chapter the other day, and everything, every aspect, is completely explained in the purports. If one carefully reads this chapter then there’s no problem. You just preach whatever is there.
Gopäla Kåñëa: What we could do is... I mean you may not like this... Publish a small booklet just based on the Sixth Chapter.
Prabhupäda: Yes.
Gopäla Kåñëa: Just publish the Sixth Chapter, that this is our booklet on yoga.
Prabhupäda: No, you can make a booklet, the Sixth Chapter explained, and posture, how to sit. That sitting down, that will attract.
Gopäla Kåñëa: Because they want to see these things.
Prabhupäda: That sitting posture will attract them. Give them figure, “This is the posture of sitting,” and they will hear.
Gopäla Kåñëa: What we can do, have a small booklet on yoga...
Prabhupäda: Concentrate on viñëu-mürti here, in the heart, and hear... This will immediately give some effect.
Gopäla Kåñëa: Or... Yes. We can have some pictures of people. And we’ll publish your Sixth Chapter, like, just like publishing Sixth Chapter of the Gétä with a two-page introduction how this yoga is different from others and this is a guide, the Sixth Chapter of the Bhagavad-gétä, the most ancient Hindu scripture, Indian scripture.
Prabhupäda: So keep some price for that.
Gopäla Kåñëa: Yes. That will be like a separate book, five rupees, with some illustrations...
Prabhupäda: Make that.
Gopäla Kåñëa: And then like we can have some... People are very much into beads...
Prabhupäda: And dancing.
Gopäla Kåñëa: So we’ll have some neckbeads they’ll take with a small statue, Deity, pendant of Viñëu.
Prabhupäda: So then there is one artist. He has come to paint pictures. Explain. He will give you. Yes.
Gopäla Kåñëa: Yes. Oh, yes, very good.
Prabhupäda: Yes.
Gopäla Kåñëa: And plus he can do that for the new brochure also. We can have like a necklace with a pendant of Viñëu, four-handed, to meditate.
Hari-çauri: We have a proper shelf there which will supply harinäma cädara, beads, beadbag, everything.
Prabhupäda: Yes. Yes. Yes. Take this idea. Note down. First of all make this brochure.
Gopäla Kåñëa: Yes. That brochure which I made on Våndävana, just one page, I’m taking up, Våndävana and other temple pictures, and putting in a section on yoga.
Prabhupäda: So see how you have done.
Hari-çauri: If we don’t have our own shop there which sells everything, then they’ll just go down Loi Bazaar and buy it.
Prabhupäda: No, we have our own shop and...
Gopäla Kåñëa: Yes, we are having our own shop now in the gurukula. We are having it before the festival. We are having that before the festival.
Hari-çauri: It should be open for this course.
Prabhupäda: Another thing, that... I don’t think they are very serious, that... They have paid that 250 rupees rate? This bank? They wrote they are going to pay.
Gopäla Kåñëa: Yes. Last I heard when I left is they had got their approval to pay two hundred rupees, but they haven’t paid so far.
Prabhupäda: No, they have written 250.
Gopäla Kåñëa: They wrote 250? Viçvambhara told me...
Hari-çauri: I saw that letter, yes.
Prabhupäda: Yes.
Hari-çauri: 250.
Gopäla Kåñëa: Actually that room is a very good room.
Prabhupäda: Where is that letter? Bank’s letter.
Hari-çauri: From Gupta.
Prabhupäda: From Gupta, bank letter, Hyderabad.
Gopäla Kåñëa: Which Gupta? The accountant of Punjab National...
Prabhupäda: Yes. I have replied that letter on the other day. You do not know?
Gopäla Kåñëa: Did you want us to use that room? The room in which the bank is?
Jagadéça: Oh yes. You mean about the rent?
Prabhupäda: Yes.
Jagadéça: Yes, he said 250.
Prabhupäda: Yes. Find out that letter.
Hari-çauri: There’s a reply to it too.
Prabhupäda: Where is the letter?
Hari-çauri: He says there’s going to be women coming...
Prabhupäda: But there is no instruction. For women there is no such thing.
Hari-çauri: No women on the course.
Gopäla Kåñëa: No women?
Prabhupäda: That is bogus, another bogus.
Gopäla Kåñëa: That’s bogus. But we have a lot of women who are coming to India for yoga. Half... The traffic is half men, half women.
Prabhupäda: Women cannot do it.
Gopäla Kåñëa: And a lot of the tourists who come, they are husband, wife and all together. Why don’t we let them wear normal dress but have men and women in the same class.
Hari-çauri: We could... It’s just a suggestion, but what about if you have...
Prabhupäda: Normal dress, that is standard.
Gopäla Kåñëa: Or yoga pants. They can have pajamas and kurtäs.
Hari-çauri: A separate woman’s class? But that means, yes. That means you have to have women teachers.
Prabhupäda: These are artificial things.
Hari-çauri: Mixed class, but...
Prabhupäda: For woman there is no...
Jagadéça: I think we should avoid women altogether. Avoid women altogether?
Prabhupäda: Women, it is only possible in our Vaiñëava bhakti-yoga— women and men can be given equal right. There is no other system.
Gopäla Kåñëa: They can wear a normal dress.
Hari-çauri: If they wear those big robes... Sometimes I see... It’s a one-piece thing. It comes down to their ankles. If they wear something like that, it’s all right.
Gopäla Kåñëa: Because they want to do something different. They want to see different things. If we give them a pajama and kurtä, we’ll still make them do bhakti-yoga, but it’s...
Prabhupäda: Bhakti-yoga, chanting, dancing there will be. They can join.
Gopäla Kåñëa: Yes, but...
Prabhupäda: But they cannot practice. They cannot sit down like this, the women. They’ll be tired. This is real practice.
Gopäla Kåñëa: I think even the men...
Prabhupäda: Yogäsana. Yogäsana, dhyäna, dhäraëä, äsana.
Gopäla Kåñëa: That’s so then we can show them, “See this yoga is...,” because it appears a little difficult, it is the best form of yoga. It’s not something easy that you can just do in one second.
Jagadéça: So what’s the conclusion?
Gopäla Kåñëa: They will sit together.
Jagadéça: So he says... He thinks the conclusion is that the women will be in the class.
Prabhupäda: There, but in plain dress. Yes, man must be there.
Gopäla Kåñëa: Plain dress or if they wear dresses, they can have pant-kurtä pajamas.
Prabhupäda: Why pant?
Hari-çauri: They can wear a long robe. That’s better, like one of those complete robes.
Prabhupäda: Yes, long robe.
Hari-çauri: Rajneesh people wear them.
Prabhupäda: These Hare Kåñëa nämävali robe.
Gopäla Kåñëa: Oh, very good idea. We can make Hare Kåñëa...
Hari-çauri: Out of a nämävali, yeah. Näma cädara. Harinäma cädara.
Prabhupäda: You can have some robe...
Gopäla Kåñëa: Yeah, we can have...
Prabhupäda: ...some covering.
Gopäla Kåñëa: Yes, this will be very good. This will really make us look different from others. We’re giving kuça grass, linen, and robe, beads...
Prabhupäda: And they will understand that they are actually doing something.
Gopäla Kåñëa: Yes. And they will see, because these karmés, they look for these tangible differences.
Prabhupäda: At least twice taking bath and then chanting, dancing and so on.
Hari-çauri: Yes. They’re coming for some... Just to...
Prabhupäda: They want something. So this is the bona fide method.
Jagadéça: Are you having tours where they’ll go to Rädhä-kuëòa?
Gopäla Kåñëa: Yes. That is during the rest of the time.
Hari-çauri: There’s a very nice thing about this program, is that you can guarantee everyone who comes is going to be interested.
Prabhupäda: So I have given to you three. Now you jointly do immediately. The artist is there. Get painting. That’s... That’s all right.

Room Conversation
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December 27, 1976, Bombay

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: Hare Kåñëa, Hare Kåñëa. Preach as much as possible. By saìkértana, big saìkértana. Big saìkértana is book distribution and small saìkértana is with mådaìga. Big saìkértana is going on all over the world. Small saìkértana locally. Overflood the demons’ Godless civilization. Our declaration of war against this Godless civilization.

Room Conversation
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December 31, 1976, Bombay

Prabhupäda: Unless you are convinced, you cannot convince others. Andhä yathändhair upanéyamänäù. And to save them is paropakära, real welfare activity.

Roof Conversation
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January 5, 1977, Bombay

Jagadéça: Prabhupäda, I was thinking of taking books, going from town to town, and finding interested people and then...
Prabhupäda: Everyone will be interested.
Jagadéça: Yes. And stay for some time in one place, find some local people, train them up cooking...
Prabhupäda: Yes. Yes, that is good.
Jagadéça: ...kértana, speaking, reading the books...
Prabhupäda: Oh, yes. That is wanted.
Jagadéça: ...and let them set up a small center in their house or purchase one storefront.
Prabhupäda: If one is convinced about this favorably, that is success. It doesn’t matter what dress. Let him teach his family, and the neighborhood. Let them do their own business. It doesn’t matter. That is... Let them understand Kåñëa, Kåñëa science. That is wanted. Do that program. Make that program. He is coming, Rämeçvara. Take to it very seriously.

Room Conversation
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January 7, 1977, Bombay

People may take it or don’t take it. Our business, because we are servants of Kåñëa... Ya imaà mad-bhakteñu. Find out. Na ca tasmän manuñyeñu kaçcin me priya-kåttamaù [Bg. 18.69]. Ya idaà paramaà guhyaà mad-bhakteñv abhidhäsyati. It is paramaà guhyam. When Kåñëa says, sarva-dharmän parityajya mäm ekam [Bg. 18.66], it is not very easily accepted. That is the most confidential part of His instruction. But still, we have to canvass. What is that?
Giriräja:
ya idaà paramaà guhyaà
mad-bhakteñv abhidhäsyati
bhaktià mayi paräà kåtvä
mäm evaiñyaty asaàçayaù
[Bg 18.68]
Prabhupäda: Asaàçayaù.
Giriräja: Asaàçayaù. “For one who explains the supreme secret to the devotee, devotional service is guaranteed, and at the end he will come back to Me.”
Prabhupäda: That’s all. So we are trying to do that. Sarva-dharmän parityajya mäm ekaà çaraëaà vraja [Bg. 18.66]. It will be accepted by the devotees, not the karmé, jïäné, yogis, no. Only bhaktas. Therefore mad-bhakteñv abhidhäsyati. So we have got two functions: first of all we are trying to make them bhakta, and then convincing him about this philosophy. Man-manä bhava mad-bhaktaù. Without being bhakta, nobody will understand what is yoga. The beginning is bhakto ’si priyo ’si me rahasyam ekam uttamam: “Because, Arjuna, you are My bhakta, I’ll explain to you. Otherwise it is lost.” So without being a bhakta, nobody can understand Bhagavad-gétä. However he may say that “I am very staunch devotee. I am reader of...,” he will misunderstand. So here Kåñëa clearly says that “This is the most confidential knowledge. And without being bhakta, nobody will be able to understand.” So the preacher has got two different businesses. One side, he has to make bhakta. The persons will... Because without being bhakta, he cannot understand. Then he teaches. So these two businesses going on in our Kåñëa consciousness movement. To become bhakta there is Deity—“Come here. Man-manä bhava mad-bhaktaù: Just think of Me: Just man-manä. And become a devotee.” And naturally, if he comes to the temple, he’ll offer some obeisances, he’ll offer some flower, some fruit. Mad-yäjé. Even a child will offer namaskara. In this way he becomes devotee. And then he understands. So we have got two functions. All over the world, whey we are opening these centers? Bhakto ’si—to make them bhakta. And they have become bhakta. And then you speak something about Kåñëa. He’ll learn it. So that is explained here, ya idaà paramam... Who will surrender? “Huh! I shall go to surrender to Kåñëa. I shall surrender to my senses.” Surrender he has to. He’s not independent. But ahaìkära-vimüòhätmä. Because he’s rascal by ahaìkära, false ego, he does not accept Kåñëa—“Huh! Why shall I accept Kåñëa?” He will accept mäyä. And the mäyä, by pulling by the ear—“Come here. Sit down”—that I shall accept. Mäm eva ye prapadyante mäyäm... And that... But stop that force. That he does not do. “Better let mäyä pull me by the ear, and whatever she likes, I shall do.” But he’ll not like to carry out the order of Kåñëa. Therefore it is very confidential knowledge, to surrender to Kåñëa. So anyone who tries for this business... That is Kåñëa’s desire, that “Try to make these rascals a devotee and convince him about the importance of Bhagavad-gétä.” If you do this thing, ya idaà paramaà guhyaà mad-bhakteñv abhidhäsyati [Bg 18.68], then? What is next line?
Giriräja: The next verse? Bhaktià mayi paraà kåtvä...
Prabhupäda: Ah. Mäm evaiñyasi. “He becomes pure devotee, and he comes back to Me.” Mam evaiñyasi asaàçayaù [Bg. 18.65]. That is the solution: go back home, back to Godhead. Yad gatvä na nivartante tad dhäma paramam [Bg. 15.6]. That is the mission of human life. For that purpose we have to do everything. How to go back to home, back to Godhead. And that point we are missing. We are engaged in so-called philanthropic work. Real purpose of life we are missing. And this can be done only in this human form of life. The Prahläda Mahäräja says,
kaumära äcaret präjïo
dharmän bhägavatän iha
durlabhaà mänuñaà janma
tad apy adhruvam arthadam
[SB 7.6.1]
Arthardam. Although it is temporary, arthadam. The dog will die, and I will also die. Both of our body is temporary. But I can die understanding the importance of life. The dog cannot. That is the difference. Therefore Prahläda Mahäräja advises, kaumära äcaret: “From the beginning of life teach dharmän bhägavatän.” So these are the indications in the çästras. We have to do that if we actually want to do something tangible. And if you manufacture ideas, that we can do, but that will not be very much effective.

Morning Walk
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January 8, 1977, Bombay

Prabhupäda: Let them chant and take prasädam. They’ll... Everyone will get. Then gradually, as a snake charming, by chanting, chanting, chanting, then they will be subdued. And that is guaranteed process. There is no doubt. Anyone, even a man is like a snake.

Room Conversation
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January 8, 1977, Bombay

Prabhupäda: Our visitors, they have got facility to come?
Gurudäsa: Yes. We have Life Member tents, and some visitors have been coming. I have been receiving them. So we have... There’s one thing I wanted to ask you. A lot of youths are coming, Western youths, some hippies, but mostly clean. Some hippies. But there are two hippies, and I saw what they were like, and I didn’t allow them to stay. But mostly our camp is... Until the devotees come, there are some tents that are empty. So they said, “We need a place to stay. Is it all right?” So I said, “Tonight you can stay. Then I’ll let you know later on.” And we preached to them. We have a morning program there, and we have an evening program. So they attended. So I thought with your permission I could erect some tents, not in our living area... The chokidhars I put outside, right on the gate, because I didn’t think they should live in our area, but they should be there, so the chokidhars have a tent. I thought behind the pandal I could erect some tents, or even behind our tin where people wouldn’t see them so much, we could invite some guests, charge them something for living and preach to them.
Prabhupäda: Hm. But they smoke.
Gurudäsa: Yes, some will.
Prabhupäda: That is bad.
Gurudäsa: So, I mean it’s up to... I’m asking what you think.
Prabhupäda: They will drink; they will smoke; they will not take bath. These are the defects. These people are unclean.
Gurudäsa: Yes. Suppose they are willing...
Prabhupäda: It will spoil the cleanliness of the...
Gurudäsa: Of course, they would not be in our camp.
Prabhupäda: It may be. But their, that association is very undesirable.
Gurudäsa: Yes, Yes. What if someone is willing to follow the regulations?
Prabhupäda: First they should be shaved, clean-shaved. Will they accept that? They must take early in the water, take bath. Cleanliness.
Gurudäsa: No, they won’t do. So I won’t have that. I just thought it was a preaching opportunity.
Prabhupäda: Preaching, if there is not clean even, what they will understand?
Gurudäsa: Well, when I came, I was not clean either. By your grace I cleaned up.
Hari-çauri: They won’t clean up.
Gurudäsa: No, no. I accept what, you know. I want to do...
Prabhupäda: People may not misunderstand that “This is hippie camp.”
Gurudäsa: Yes. The police were sending, and I went to the Mela officials...
Prabhupäda: Therefore the police came. They thought that you are hippies.
Gurudäsa: No, I don’t think, because this was before they came.
Prabhupäda: Anyway, their association is not good.
Gurudäsa: Yes. So we won’t have, definitely not.
Hari-çauri: We have to make a good impression.
Prabhupäda: Yes, that people may not think, “This is another edition of hippies.”
Gurudäsa: So we won’t have at all. Now we have a general list of when everyone’s big programs are.
Prabhupäda: Many are coming? Hippies?
Gurudäsa: There’s a lot. There’s a lot. Well, yes, there’s a lot.
Prabhupäda: So you consult amongst yourselves, but people may not have a bad impression.
Gurudäsa: I think I will not do it because if you think there’s any small chance of them associating with us...
Prabhupäda: Alpa-chidre. A small... White, white cloth and a small black spot, it becomes prominent.

Morning Discussion
about Kumbhamela
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January 8, 1977, Bombay


We used to get our fruit... There was no place where we could eat, so we used to buy fruit and nuts at the Empress Market, very big market.
Prabhupäda: Dacca.
Gargamuni: No, in Karachi. A very huge market. They have, very good, these grapefruits. They’re very sweet there.
Prabhupäda: Grape.
Gargamuni: Grapefruit. You know, like orange?
Prabhupäda: Oh, ah.
Gargamuni: But very sweet tasting.
Prabhupäda: Yes.
Gargamuni: Very nice.
Prabhupäda: Yellowish or greenish?
Gargamuni: No. They’re pinkish inside, pink color. Yellow skin but pink inside and very sweet.
Prabhupäda: Yes. Karmuja. (?) And some sweet scent also.
Gargamuni: Yes. They’re very nice. We ate so many of them. (Hari-çauri preaching to someone in background:)
Hari-çauri: Because He’s the Supreme Person. You’re worshiping Indira Gandhi or in America they’re worshiping Nixon or Ford. In Britain they’re worshiping someone else. Everyone is worshiping someone who is better than he is. You may go to work and worship your boss because he’ll give you a better pay check.
Prabhupäda: That is preaching. (chuckling with devotees)

Room Conversation
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January 19, 1977, Bhubaneswar


Hari-çauri: But at least if you look at what’s there, in most of the Bibles anyway, the beginnings of Christ’s movement are just like our own movement. All these men gave up all their material possessions. They went out and preached. And that was his general teaching too, that they should not worry for anything because God is supplying to everyone, even the birds and beasts. So why should they worry? Just go out and preach. That was his basic teaching to his twelve apostles.
Prabhupäda: That is faithfulness in God. Why a preacher should be bothered about maintaining himself?

Room Conversation
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January 21, 1977, Bhubaneswar

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: You can reprint this for distribution here, Russian ships.
Gopäla Kåñëa: Yes. The only danger to this will be that if the Russian government finds out that we are translating Russian literature, because hearing “propaganda,”—this is what the Christians do—then they will crack down very hard on our disciples there.
Prabhupäda: Where is my disciple there?
Gopäla Kåñëa: Well, only a few you have, Ananta-çänti. And they won’t let us go there at all in the future.
Prabhupäda: That doesn’t mean we shall not do that.
Gopäla Kåñëa: Then they will think...
Prabhupäda: They’ll think. It is. Why shall I not do it? All thinking actually. We must do it. So where is that card? Bring it. I shall dictate.
Gopäla Kåñëa: That card?
Prabhupäda: Your card is...
Gopäla Kåñëa: Yes, that’s on my side. You don’t want the card, do you?
Prabhupäda: Yes.
Jagadéça: Yes. He wants to see it.
Prabhupäda: It is addressed to you?
Gopäla Kåñëa: Yes. I’ll show it to you. It just says, “Happy New Year.” That’s all.
Prabhupäda: That’s all right. Still, we have to reply them with this copy.
Gopäla Kåñëa: Okay, very good. So I should take a dictation?
Prabhupäda: Hmm.
Gopäla Kåñëa: Okay.
Prabhupäda: Who has signed that?
Gopäla Kåñëa: That’s from Mr. Yekinow. I had met him in Moscow. He’s now in Delhi with the Russian
Prabhupäda: What he is?
Gopäla Kåñëa: He is a chief of the Russian agency that imports books into Russia.
Prabhupäda: Well, so address him.
Gopäla Kåñëa: Yes. “Dear Mr. Yekinow.”
Prabhupäda: So it has come from Delhi?
Gopäla Kåñëa: Yes.
Prabhupäda: So give the Delhi address, embassy.
Gopäla Kåñëa: Yes. I have told them that we don’t have any Bhaktivedanta Book Trust offices in Bombay because I did not want them to visit our... I told them our Bhaktivedanta Book Trust office is in Bombay, because then he would have said, “I’ll come and visit you in your office” and then he would have come to the temple. So we don’t want to show any connection with ISKCON for Bhaktivedanta Book Trust.
Prabhupäda: Why?
Gopäla Kåñëa: Because then they’ll find out it’s religion and they will stop it at once.
Prabhupäda: As soon as he reads the book, he will find, according to them...
Gopäla Kåñëa: Well, what I told the Russians was that ISKCON buys all the books from Bhaktivedanta Book Trust.
Prabhupäda: Just keep that position. What is...?
Gopäla Kåñëa: Yes. I mean we have to keep it...
Prabhupäda: But we have got pictures of God, and with every page there is Kåñëa, and how you can hide it? That is another foolishness. Every page, there is Kåñëa, and there is nothing but Kåñëa.
Gopäla Kåñëa: But by the time they find out, we are already in the country. For example, if I would have told them about ISKCON before, when I was applying for my visa...
Prabhupäda: No, no... Anyway they may find, early or later, but how you can stop them finding? It is simply impossible.(?)
Hari-çauri: Anyway, they expect that something coming from India is going to have something to do with God.
Gopäla Kåñëa: We are saying... What I said is Bhaktivedanta Book Trust is dedicated to publishing books on ancient Indian culture.
Prabhupäda: You say like that... Whatever you like, you can say, but when they read the book it is simply...
Jagadéça: Kåñëa, Kåñëa.
Prabhupäda: Kåñëa. That’s all. (chuckles)
Gopäla Kåñëa: Yes, but the scholars, the Russian scholars, know... [break]
Prabhupäda: They have published their photograph in the paper. They take it, whatever... But the things are already there. So “Dear Mr. such and such, I thank you very much for your greetings card received recently. This cultural movement is depending in future on Russian intelligence and Indian culture. On this cultural movement, recently our Stockholm center has published one book...” What it is written here?
Jagadéça: Easy Journey to Other Planets.
Prabhupäda: In Russian language?
Jagadéça: I don’t know.
Prabhupäda: “Easy Journey to Other Planets. So this is a different culture, how to go to other planetary system, how to transfer the soul from one body to another. In other planets there are also living entities. One can transfer himself, after giving up this body, to anywhere he likes without any help of the sputnik, and without the help of the sputnik or any flying machine. This is the mystic system unknown to the world, but it is authorized in the Vedas, original culture of the human civilization.”
Hari-çauri: It’s on the tape. I’m recording it too.
Prabhupäda: So, “A preliminary booklet is presented herewith to your good self. Kindly read it carefully and let me know your reaction. We are prepared to answer all intricate questions in this subject.” In this way present.
Gopäla Kåñëa: Fine. I have made a lot of friends in Russia. I was going to send them. Only problem... Actually, I’ll tell you what’s happening with my correspondence with Russia. The Russian spying agency is so strong, they’re not letting my letters get through, because...
Prabhupäda: Then don’t send. What is the use of sending?
Gopäla Kåñëa: Yes. Actually what I was thinking of was, in my letters...
Prabhupäda: First of all see one man. Test.
Gopäla Kåñëa: I was going to mention to him in my letter that I’m surprised how I’m not getting replies to my letters from the people I visited in Russia.
Prabhupäda: Why? Why you should inquire from him? If you know that there is difficulty, why should you inquire?
Gopäla Kåñëa: Well, he can then have his Moscow address office get me the replies.
Prabhupäda: Why? Why you are anxious to get their reply? Their country is like that. Why...? Yes. Why should you bother and strain your brain unnecessarily? You should know they are all rascals. That’s all. But here we get an opportunity. You can write, present it to... Where is the other book?
Gopäla Kåñëa: Oh. So I can take one. And I can order some more from Stockholm and send them to these people as gift.
Prabhupäda: Yes. No, they can send directly. They can write under instruction.

Letter to Russian
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January 5, 1977, Bombay

Rämeçvara: So this is a study published in Los Angeles Times on January 2nd. It says, “The year 1976 could mark the beginning of a new religious revival in America, judging from recent Gallop surveys of public opinion. The surveys found: 1) For the first time in nearly twenty years there was an increase in church attendance”—first time in twenty years—“with 42% of all adults in America attending church or synogogue in any typical week.” Once a week 42% of the adult population, almost half. “2) The proportion of Americans who believe that religion is increasing its influence on American life has tripled since 1970.” In other words the public thinks that religion is now influencing American life. The number of people who think like that has gone up.
Prabhupäda: Yes. That is due to this Hare Kåñëa movement.

Room Conversation
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January 21, 1977, Bhubaneswar

[Pedro Micho]

So try to understand our philosophy thoroughly and distribute it. Janma särthaka kari’ kara paropakära. At least nobody can defeat our philosophy in the whole world. That position we have.
Rämeçvara: You say that Kåñëa is the same, the devotee is the same, and the business of Kåñëa is the same. So...
Prabhupäda: Yes. Advaya-jïäna.
Rämeçvara: When Kåñëa was here He was making arrangements for the Päëòavas to rule the kingdom because they were devotees. So that same business is...
Prabhupäda: That is the whole scheme of Kurukñetra fight—“Wipe out these rascals.” Kåñëa was not interested to rule over, but He took the guidance—“Yes, I’ll guide you.” That’s all. What Kåñëa will do with the kingdom? Rämacandra, He finished Rävaëa’s whole family, but He has no interest to rule over the... He installed Vibhéñaëa—“You rule over.” That’s all. Why Kåñëa should be interested in this ruling? He’s the ruler of the whole situation.
Rämeçvara: But it helps all the citizens if the devotees are ruling the kingdom.
Prabhupäda: Yes. Yes. That is wanted. Therefore, if we become strong, we shall take over charge of government. It is not that we are entering into politics. We must! That is also one of the items of Kåñëa consciousness. People are misguided. Çoce tato vimukha-cetasaù. They are being induced to remain in ignorance. Therefore we want, make our plan. Çoce: “I am thinking very seriously how to save them.” Prahläda Mahäräja says. That is Vaiñëava’s business. Para-duùkha-duùkhi. “They are suffering.” That is Vaiñëava, real Vaiñëava, not that “Now I am realized soul, sit down and...” That is also good, but better business is to think for others. That is stated in the Bhägavatam. Ya idaà paramaà guhyaà mad-bhakteñu... [Bg 18.68], na ca tasmäd. If you want to be really very dear to Kåñëa, you must preach this philosophy vigorously, not that “I have got it. Who is going to take so much botheration? Let me sit down.” Kåñëa... Who can be better devotee than Arjuna? And why did he... He was, rather, avoiding the botheration. Kåñëa said, “No. You must take the botheration.” He chastised him, kutas tva kaçmalam idaà viñame. “Rascal, what is this? You must take. You have to take this botheration.” On this principle, at the age of seventy years, I took all the botheration—“All right.” The other friends were thinking that “This man is going to die, and he is going to preach.” (laughing) They said like that. And “All right. I shall die, I shall die for Kåñëa’s cause.” So we have to face so many problems, botherations. That is natural. We should not be afraid of this.

Conversation During Massage
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January 23, 1977, Bhubaneswar

[Pedro Micho]

And whatever plan he’s making, it will be all frustrated. That is the whole history. Big, big emperor, big, big politicians, they have tried. Roman Empire, the Carthagian Empire, Greece Empire, Egyptian Empire, and Mogul Empire, British Empire—all frustrated. It will never be successful. For a few days, hundred, two hundred years or five hundred years, it may go on. So real plan is how to become Kåñëa conscious. Then everything is successful. Ahaìkära-vimüòhätmä kartäham iti manyate [Bg. 3.27]. These rascals, on account of false prestigious position, trying to be happy without God... That is not possible. Throughout the history you study. So many rascals have tried. The Napoleon, the Hitler, the Gandhi, this, that. What they have achieved? Nothing. If we honestly study their lives and activities, what they have achieved? Hm? Do you think they have achieved anything?
Satsvarüpa: No.
Prabhupäda: They simply wasted their time. Çrama eva hi kevalam. Simply wasting time. Therefore this is the best service, to revive Kåñëa consciousness for the human society and send them back home, back to Godhead. This is the best service.
Gargamuni: And if anybody helps us, then he is also greatly benefited.
Prabhupäda: He is also... He becomes recognized by the master. “Oh, he is trying for this, what I want.” Naturally he becomes immediately recognized, although he has no qualification. If he tries. Therefore Caitanya Mahäprabhu... Yäre dekha täre kaha ‘kåñëa’-upadeça: [Cc. Madhya 7.128] “You become guru. No qualification required. Simply you repeat what Kåñëa has said.” Just see how simplified. Don’t talk anything nonsense. Yäre dekha täre kaha ‘kåñëa’—bas. So who cannot do it? Anyone can do it, even a child. (laughs) Our Çyämasundara’s daughter. She was preaching, “Do you know Kåñëa?” They said, “No I have got no...” “The Supreme Personality.” This is preaching, simply if you say that “Kåñëa is the Supreme Personality, supreme controller. Just be obedient to Him.” Where is the difficulty? Anyone can preach. Chant Hare Kåñëa. Bas. Three words: Kåñëa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead; surrender unto Him; and chant Hare Kåñëa. Your life will be successful. What is the difficulty in preaching these three words? Hm? Is there any difficulty? Even a child like Sarasvaté, she can preach. Then what to speak of others? Those who are educated, grown-up, advanced, they can put the matter more nicely, more convincingly, more philosophically. That is another thing. But these three words, that “Kåñëa is the Supreme Lord; you are servant; and chant Hare Kåñëa”—bas, preaching complete. Very simple thing and the sublime instruction. Everyone can become guru by simply teaching these three words. Not sophisticated, but he must also understand not blindly. Bhärata-bhümite haila manuñya-janma yära, janma särthaka kari [Cc. Ädi 9.41]’. He must also understand these three words perfectly. Then wherever he speaks, he’ll be successful. Not that “For you I am speaking. I can do everything independently.” No. I am also servant of Kåñëa. Realized. This is realization.
Satsvarüpa: How does a preacher realize? How does a preacher come to realize?
Prabhupäda: He must know that he’s servant.
Satsvarüpa: By hearing.
Prabhupäda: By practically knowing he’s a... Are you independent, anyone? Everyone is servant. He’s serving his senses. That’s all. He’s servant. He’s never master. But he has become the servant of mäyä or senses. That’s all. He has to change only; instead of becoming servant of mäyä, be servant of Kåñëa. Servant he is. Where he’ll go? How he will become master? To remain a servant is his position. He cannot become master. That is false pride. As soon as he wants to be master, that is false pride. That is mäyä. “So if I am servant, then I have to serve. So why shall I serve the senses’ dictation? I will serve Kåñëa, what He says.” So he’s self-realized immediately, within a second. Where is the difficulty to become self-realized? Hm? Is there any difficulty? He must know that “I am serving. I am never master. But serving the senses, that’s all, whims of the senses in the name of independence.” That is not possible. Very simple philosophy. One who understands, he’s self-realized. And if he preaches, then he becomes recognized. On this principle we shall help everyone. “Come here. Stay with us nicely. Nicely you can. But serve Kåñëa. We take responsibility.” Organize in this way throughout the whole world. Give them shelter; give them food; give them cloth. That is the most benevolent welfare activity in the human society. So here people have generally tendency to come to the beach to enjoy. “All right, we shall give you a place. Come on. Stay here. You haven’t got to pay anything for food or lodging. Simply attend ärati, classes. Then... For experiment, three days’ period, you see.”
Gargamuni: Anyone.
Prabhupäda: Anyone.

Evening Conversation
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January 25, 1977, Puré

[Pedro Micho]

So we have got very pessimistic view of this modern world. You may like or not. Simply spoiling time. Çrama eva hi kevalam. Simply work without any profit of the human form of life. And nobody is interested to correct the procedure. If we try to correct them, they will accuse us that “These people are brainwashed. They deviating these young men from the general procedure of human civilization.” Hm? What is this? Illicit sex stopped? Then where is life? This is life, if young boys and young girls mix freely and have sex, and as soon as she is pregnant, you go away, let her suffer, no responsibility. The poor girl, long before, father, mother divorce—no protector. And as soon as she selects somebody husband, and as soon as pregnancy, he goes away. And old age—there is no family, no son. Ninety-nine percent the woman class live like that. How hopelessly the old ladies are sitting down—only one cat, one dog, one television. The old men also like that, hopelessness. Or drinking or seeing the television. And a dog friend. Is that life? And we want to correct it—“brainwash.”
Gurukåpä: They are so... They have no brain to even understand this. You cannot talk to them.
Prabhupäda: No, no, we have to do. Otherwise there is no meaning of preacher. Most thankless task. We want to save them, and they accuse us. My Guru Mahäräja used to give that example: A boy is flying kite, and he’s going like this. He’s just come on the edge of the roof. He is going to fall down. And somebody says, “Hey! What are you doing this for?” (shouts:) “Why you are checking me? Oh, my kite is gone, gone. I have gone back.” This is going on. If you want to save them, they will accuse you that “My kite-flying is disturbed. Don’t do this.” “And why you are. Why...? You’ll fall down.” “Never mind. That is my business. Why you are checking me?” This example was given by my Guru Mahäräja. You want to save him. Who is a gentleman who will not save him? He is falling down next moment. That is natural. But he is angry. “Why you have checked my kite-flying?” So it is a different type of civilization, a different style of life. If you want to introduce they will accuse you, so many, like madmen. And still we have to do. That is preaching. You cannot expect very smooth life in preaching.

Room Conversation
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January 26, 1977, Puré

[Pedro Micho]

Satsvarüpa: This year in the United States several temples had very good success by advertising a cooking class in the college, because many times the students, they don’t want to come when they see Bhagavad-gétä or bhakti-yoga. But they would see “Indian Cooking,” and they would go, and in the class they would teach how to make cooking, but then they would preach, “And so this food should be offered to God, and this is the Bhagavad-gétä.” In this way it was much...
Prabhupäda: Very good. This is very nice.

Room Conversation
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January 27, 1977, Bhubaneshwar

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: No, you talk amongst yourselves everything. And you are all GBC. Tell, “This is not good.” They should have kértana here. They should go to the city, kértana party. People should know that there is... Something is going to be done. Actually they want to enjoy that sea bathing. They’re going here and there. That is their business. That is not preaching. That is sense enjoyment. Påthivéte äche yata nagarädi gräma. That is the order of Caitanya Mahäprabhu. Why there should be discrimination, “Not here, not there”? He wants in every village and every town. How you can discriminate? Wherever possible, you should start.

Room Conversation
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January 29, 1977, Bhubaneshwar

[Pedro Micho]

Påthu-putra: ...thing they always like, when we don’t explain to them too much the meaning of the chanting, they like the music.
Prabhupäda: Oh. Well then that is all right.
Påthu-putra: But when we start to explain the meaning, then they’re a little bit suspicious because they don’t tolerate other type of religion.
Prabhupäda: No, no, why...? Let them chant and take prasäda. This preaching, that’s all. Later on, when they’re a little advanced, then talk of philosophy. Otherwise there is no need of philosophy. If they are, some of them, educated, they can read the books voluntarily. But general process is anywhere, any part of the world, you simply give them chance of chanting and take prasäda. That will be peaceful.

Room Conversation
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January 30, 1977, Bhubaneshwar

[Pedro Micho]

Satsvarüpa: So the men would not buy their lunch from the meat-eaters.
Prabhupäda: No, that is not our scheme. Our scheme is that pathya, auñadha. Auñadha means medicine, and pathya means diet. So in order to cure him from these material desires we shall give him medicine, harinäma, and diet, prasäda. We have no such program, to make him vegetarian. That is not our program.

Room Conversation
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February 2, 1977, Bhubaneshwar

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: “...prefer that I do not see the face of nondevotee.”
Hari-çauri: You quote that in the Nectar of Devotion.
Prabhupäda: Yes. Actually yes. This society, modern, it is very painful to see even their face. They have fallen so much down that by seeing their face you become polluted. Last night they disturbed so much. And they are happy.
Hari-çauri: Actually they’re not happy, but they make a show of happiness.
Prabhupäda: No, they think they’re happy. They think they are very happy. They’re enjoying life.
Satsvarüpa: But we have to take the risk to go and see their face, to preach to them.
Prabhupäda: Yes. But if you are engaged in preaching, you are not affected.

Train Conversation
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February 4, 1977, Calcutta

[Pedro Micho]

Svarüpa Dämodara: They were very thankful for the lecture. They actually made comment, saying that this is the strongest statement that they ever heard in the department, that, such a scientific comparative study. ’Cause I showed the charts that we have.
Prabhupäda: That is very encouraging. So pursue this method with your assistants. That is our challenge. That will enhance the importance of our movement.
Svarüpa Dämodara: They even suggested that in the future, if we had any plan like that, we should just let them know about two or three weeks ahead so they can arrange others also in the other departments.
Prabhupäda: Oh, yes. Do immediately. Your business is that. You take these scientists and other intelligent... Everyone is intelligent, but especially to convince them... “Birds of the same feather...” Otherwise they’ll not mix. We are already haàsas, but to mix with the crow, we shall dress ourself like a crow. (laughter)
Svarüpa Dämodara: Just like I went with pant...
Prabhupäda: Yes. Yes. Otherwise the crows will make a noise, “Kaw, kaw, kaw, kaw, kaw.” (laughter) Because this whole society is full of crows. They are not even nice birds. So what can be done?
Svarüpa Dämodara: It’s very encouraging.
Prabhupäda: Yes.
Svarüpa Dämodara: Especially in India...
Prabhupäda: Therefore...
Svarüpa Dämodara: It’s my first experience. The man whom I met in Bombay is the head of the chemistry section of the Balai(?) Atomic Research Center where they made this atomic bomb.
Prabhupäda: Fedder. Fedder Road.
Svarüpa Dämodara: In Trombay.
Prabhupäda: Oh, Trombay. Oh, yes.
Svarüpa Dämodara: Yes. So I went there, and I had three and a half hours discussion.
Prabhupäda: Hm. Very good.
Svarüpa Dämodara: But he was on the other side.
Prabhupäda: Opposite side.
Svarüpa Dämodara: Yes. (laughs)
Hari-çauri: Demon.
Prabhupäda: No, no. Let them demon, but we are talking like gentleman.

Room Conversation
with Svarüpa Dämodara
February 28, 1977, Mäyäpura

[Pedro Micho]

Rüpänuga: From Svarüpa Dämodara Prabhu’s experience, it appears that India is the best place to begin our attack on science.
Prabhupäda: Yes.
Rüpänuga: Because we can recruit Indian scientists, I think, and then to...
Prabhupäda: Yes.
Rüpänuga: ...America we can make some headway. Because America, the scientists are very arrogant and dogmatic. They’re not so receptive. Here there is...
Prabhupäda: Big, big animals. Big animals. They are animals, but big animals, because they have got money. “Money is sweeter than honey.”
Tamäla Kåñëa: That Bombay auditorium, theater, Prabhupäda was saying, could be used for so many meetings.
Bali-mardana: Conferences. Scientific conferences.
Prabhupäda: Yes. Simply.
Svarüpa Dämodara: We can give very nice slide show there.
Prabhupäda: So you make Bombay your headquarter. India means Bombay. And from Bombay you go and come. Make this...
Bali-mardana: In the West now Indian scientists have a big name because they are making...
Prabhupäda: And recruit Indian scientists. Make it. It will be very nice. Let us go to Bombay and organize.
Rüpänuga: Because India now has the bomb, they are respected.
Bali-mardana: Atom bomb.
Prabhupäda: No, Indian people are more intelligent. There is no doubt about it. I... At least I see that during British period there were so many railway collisions. Now it is not there.
Bali-mardana: So many what?
Tamäla Kåñëa: Railway collisions, and now there is none with the Indian drivers. Oh, yeah. We don’t find... Although the roads are horrible here and there’s no lights, there are very few accidents.
Prabhupäda: That I have studied already, that British period, occasionally so many railway accidents. But the Indian people, since svaräja, I see no railway accidents. And they are being managed, these railway lines, by çüdra class, less-intelligent class. So they are so intelligent.
Rüpänuga: Compared to the British.
Tamäla Kåñëa: They sent their best men here.
Prabhupäda: The fireman, Indian driver, the signal man, they are not very high class men.
Rüpänuga: In America the scientists are like the blacksmiths. They’re like just blacksmiths. And in India the scientists may have some culture...
Prabhupäda: Blacksmith or black snake?
Rüpänuga: Both. (laughs) But at least in India...
Prabhupäda: So organize in India. Make your headquarters in India.
Svarüpa Dämodara: Yes. Gopäla Kåñëa already told me that he will give us two rooms.
Prabhupäda: Oh, yes. Two, three, as many rooms, you take.
Tamäla Kåñëa: That theater is very prominent.
Prabhupäda: Yes
Svarüpa Dämodara: Bombay’s very nice.
Prabhupäda: Very nice? Yes. Now see. (laughter) He is one of the person who helped you. When I went to Africa I asked Brahmänanda, “Are you going to support me?” He said, “Yes, I’ll do.” Then I signed. Otherwise I hesitated, that “These people are denying property...”
Svarüpa Dämodara: The people are envious of Bombay, especially this man, Sada. He’s head of the Trombay that I talked. He was the... Everybody knew about our temple.
Prabhupäda: That is a good advertisement.
Svarüpa Dämodara: It’s not even complete yet, but already everybody knows about it, so popular.
Prabhupäda: And there is a big history behind this. (laughs) They wanted to throw away Rädhä-Räsa-vihäréjé. And I prayed always, “If you are thrown away, then it is..., my life is thrown away. You must stay here. It is a great insult.” So He has not moved an inch.
Svarüpa Dämodara: I’ve taken all the parts of the picture of the temple because I want to show to Manipur ministers, so that...
Prabhupäda: So, first thing make your headquarter in Bombay, and make Manipur a Vaiñëava state. And recruit all scientists. And then attack these rascals, big animals. Shoot them, big animals.
Hari-çauri: Like a scientific safari.
Prabhupäda: Therefore they are opposing. Intelligent men, they are seeing that This movement will finish our civilization. They are afraid. They have already said, “It is increasing like epidemic, and if we don’t check them, within ten years they’ll take the government.”
Hari-çauri: A government official in Houston said it on the TV.
Bali-mardana: They are afraid for their lives.
Prabhupäda: So I am very much attached to that palace.
Bhagavän: We are very much attached to you.
Prabhupäda: Hm. Come on. Kåñëa-Balaräma. Jaya. very nice. (someone showing pictures?) Jaya Kåñëa-Balaräma. We have got Balaräma, the most powerful being, so we have no fear. Balaräma. Näyam ätmä bala-hénena labhyaù. Bala-hénena labhyaù.(?) “One who is not supported by Balaräma, he cannot understand, cannot come to the spiritual platform.” Na medhayä na bahunä çrutena.(?) By intelligence one cannot. He must be supported by Balaräma, big brother of Kåñëa. (laughter)

Room Conversation
with Svarüpa Dämodara
February 28, 1977, Mäyäpura

[Pedro Micho]

Gargamuni: In fact, there are so many people around our stall, the management had to make announcements that people should visit the other stalls also. (laughter)
Prabhupäda: Canvassing.
Gargamuni: Yes. There were thousands watching the movies and coming in, streaming out. And all the other stalls, they were half empty.
Prabhupäda: That’s good. They will understand what is their position. Now, what is the signboard, our?
Gargamuni: It says... A big signboard with lights around, it says, “The Bhaktivedanta Book Trust,” and “Founder of the Trust, Founder-Chairman, His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupäda. The largest book publisher of India’s culture in the world,” And then “Hare Kåñëa, Hare Kåñëa, Kåñëa Kåñëa, Hare Hare, Hare Räma...”
Prabhupäda: Ah. Very good. (chuckling)
Yaçomaté-nandana: There is no misunderstanding. It says Hare Kåñëa and they’ll understand this is the Hare Kåñëa.
Gargamuni: Yes. It’s a big sign about sixteen feet long and four feet wide. Everyone stops there.
Yaçomaté-nandana: Where is this?
Gargamuni: Just where the Maidan..., next to Victoria Memorial, next door.
Prabhupäda: I have seen the camp.
Gargamuni: Of course, we didn’t spend as much as the others, but ours was the most attractive because of your books.
Hådayänanda: How many...? You have all the books there?
Gargamuni: Yes. We have them on display. All of the books.
Hådayänanda: In different languages?
Gargamuni: Yes, in all the languages. We sold a Spanish book. Spanish Bhägavatam someone bought. There’s international people there. Some Russians came. We sold Russian book. We had one Russian book, and we sold it.
Prabhupäda: A small book, Easy Journey.
Gargamuni: Yes. That’s all they have. They bought a poster also of Kåñëa, a big poster, the Russians.
Hari-çauri: There’s a couple of Hungarian books.
Gargamuni: Yes. If we have any, I can use them.
Prabhupäda: Oh, yes. There is.
Hådayänanda: All around the world now people, by Prabhupäda’s work, can at least recognize Kåñëa. In all the Western countries, whenever we show a book with Kåñëa’s picture, everyone says, “Well, this is Hare Kåñëa.” Now everyone knows Kåñëa’s form.
Prabhupäda: When the books fair opened?
Gargamuni: It opened on Friday.
Prabhupäda: No, is there any time, every day?
Gargamuni: Yes. It starts... They open at one, but everyone comes around four-thirty, five, up through nine. So we get about five hours. In five hours we sold 850 books.
Prabhupäda: Electric? Electricity they supply?
Gargamuni: Yes. They had a loudspeaker next to our stall. So this was hindering the film. And the manager, they wouldn’t turn it down, you know, because so many people were being attracted, they wanted to stop us, so I gave some small bribe and made a man climb up and take it down, and now it’s all right. (laughter)
Prabhupäda: This is called how to do business, (laughter) natural instinct from his father.
Gargamuni: I had no intelligence till I met you, Çréla Prabhupäda.
Yaçomaté-nandana: Even Sanätana Gosvämé bribed to get out of the...
Prabhupäda: Yes. We can do everything for Kåñëa—for Kåñëa, not for personal sake. So your drama is going on.
Gargamuni: Yes, I heard about it.
Prabhupäda: Last night it was very successful.
Hådayänanda: I think in India the people never become tired of Rämäyaëa. The people here never becomes tired of seeing Rämäyaëa.
Gargamuni: Even our men at the stall, they were very much appreciative that the people coming were very much... They were accepting prasädam without any hesitations. They were taking it very humbly.
Prabhupäda: What prasäda you have?
Gargamuni: Some sabji and cäpäöi, mixed, we gave to everyone.
Prabhupäda: Like sandwich.
Gargamuni: Yes, like a sandwich. We wrapped the sabji in the cäpäöi, and they took.
Prabhupäda: One. One cäpäöi.
Gargamuni: Yes. No, half. We cut them in half. But everyone who came got.
Prabhupäda: They liked?
Gargamuni: Oh, yeah. Especially there, after walking around, people get hungry, so they most enthusiastically took.
Prabhupäda: They take once or twice. (chuckling)

Room Conversation
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March 1, 1977, Mäyäpura

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: We have got very good encouragement from Budapest. You have read that letter. That means there is very good potency of our movement being accepted in communistic countries. Just read that letter.
/.../
Tamäla Kåñëa: “We’re very happy to see that by your divine mercy the whole world is flooded with Kåñëa consciousness. Just by printing and distributing your books the whole world will change. We can see the tremendous effect that your books already caused in the Communist countries of Eastern Europe. The people are mad after your books. Many of them can see that this is the only solution to get out from the miseries that are caused by the materialistic way of life and Communism. Please let me quote from a recent letter sent by a boy in Hungary.” The boy’s name is Yedi Peta. “ ‘According to the advices now, I am chanting daily on beads I made at home. I also have purchased the Bhagavad-gétä As It Is, although I can only speak Hungarian. Now I do not give any more importance for the evidences from chemistry, physics, mathematics, etc. Rather, I appreciate A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupäda much more than any scientist or philosopher.’ ”
Devotees: Jaya!
Rämeçvara: Haribol!
Païcadraviòa: Intelligent.
Tamäla Kåñëa: “ ‘There have been many others also in the past... There maybe have been others also in the past who were pure, but to my person, Çréla Prabhupäda is the nearest and dearest. I feel the importance of living in the association of devotees and of accepting the guru. However, at the present there is no temple here, so I neither can associate with devotees, nor can I be accepted...’ ”
Prabhupäda: So it is not possible to start a temple there?
Bali-mardana: Budapest?
Prabhupäda: Who is taking care of that side?
Devotees: Harikeça.
Prabhupäda: So, if possible, try.
Harikeça: It’s very difficult.
Prabhupäda: No. You don’t take much risk. But there is customer.
Harikeça: We have a... Actually we have a very secret preaching center there.
Prabhupäda: That’s all right. Do cautiously so that everything may not be capsized. If you cannot do... Dhairyät. Caught dhairyät tat-tat-karma... Patient. Then?
Tamäla Kåñëa: “ ‘This unfortunate situation must be due to my past sinful lives. I have already accepted Çréla Prabhupäda as my spiritual master, so I desire...’ ”
Prabhupäda: So encourage him to start. We can help.
Harikeça: Actually, Çréla Prabhupäda, this is not the best man.
Prabhupäda: No, whatever he is, for the time being, he’s the best man. He’s willing to give you service. He should be encouraged. He’s so enthusiastic.
Tamäla Kåñëa: He says, “ ‘So, I have desire that the time will come when Prabhupäda will accept me and I may have the fortune to be taught by him and have the association of the devotees.’ ”
Prabhupäda: Very good. So take this man as important for future activities. Try to encourage him and train him. He’ll be good help.

Room Conversation
with GBC members
March 2-3, 1977, Mäyäpura

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: Make them all Kåñëa conscious by distributing my books, literature. And both of you are capable. Youthful energy, sincere devotee, fully Kåñëa conscious. Para-upakära. Not to keep the poor human society in ignorance. Others may cheat for livelihood, but we are not going to do that. We have no problem for livelihood. Yato yato yämi tato nåsiàhaù. What is that verse?
Hådayänanda: Ito nåsiàhaù parato nåsiàho yato yato yämi...
Prabhupäda: Tato nåsiàhaù. Everywhere is Nåsiàha there. Wherever I go, there is Nåsiàha, so where is my problem? We have no problem.

Room Conversation
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March 24, 1977, Bombay

[Pedro Micho]

Prabhupäda: So if you combine together and go to any scientist, you challenge and prove scientifically. And still he sees it mistake. You do not know what is life’s position, but we shall. Life is different. Yayedaà dhäryate jagat [Bg. 7.5]. Without life, this matter has no value. This room is well decorated, well furnished. Why? Yayedaà dhäryate jagat. Because the life is there. If there was no life, then who cares for Bombay? Heaps of stone, that’s all. Who cares for it? So you do not know that particular item and try to convince them according to the modern scientific... Then we shall be triumphant. Everything. Everything. Challenge these rascals, that “You have got power and you will get more power by serving Kåñëa.” Your presentation was very nice.
Svarüpa Dämodara: Prabhupäda’s mercy.
Prabhupäda: What Dr. Dattrey says, after hearing your lecture?
Svarüpa Dämodara: Many..., some engineers came, and some doctors also came. They wanted us speak in Bombay Hospital. And just now also I got a letter from England from Jagadguru Swami. He said that on our way to the United States we should stop in England. He says that he talked something about Bhaktivedanta Institute in England. He said we should speak in Oxford and Cambridge Universities. He said there is a very good preaching background there. So he invited us to...
Prabhupäda: You will be invited. You stick to your position and train up your assistants and recruit more and more. We shall come out successful. Write books. You can take. Now yesterday Dr. Dattrey, did he say anything?
Svarüpa Dämodara: He didn’t say much, but Dr. Sharma, he was discussing, and he was telling that he will definitely make an arrangement in Bombay Hospital for us to speak. But he was very impressed. And some life members came later on when the greeting of the pandal was finished. And some engineers also. They want to discuss something today also.
Prabhupäda: Recruit them. And speak in such societies. We have now our prestige and preaching. It will be very nice honor everywhere. So Kåñëa has given you some talent. Utilize it. These rascals are misleading. Although the instruction is there, they are misinterpreting in their own way, misleading themselves and misleading others. They say the name of God. They do not know what is God, although God is explaining Himself. Such a rascal. God is explaining, “Here, I’m God.” He is accepted, and they do not... When you ask them what is God: “That we do not know. Our God is (indistinct).” Such things are there. So they have to be convinced that these half-educated leaders cannot make you happy. It is not possible. They do not know the basic principle of life. Take guidance from Kåñëa. That is our movement. You’ll be happy. And don’t be carried away by the whims. This is an important chance, human life. These motorcars are running, they are running just like the flies come, phut phut phut phut. That is described in the Bhagavad-gétä, Eleventh Chapter. Blind. Expedite death, that’s all. There is no solution. The solution is here, Kåñëa consciousness. So recruit first of all. Just like these doctor friends. First of all get some friends.
Svarüpa Dämodara: Bäla-kåñëa told me that we have doctor, medical doctor, M.B.V. He’s from Russia. He is going to join us.
Giriräja: Yeah, Dr. Sharma. He lives on Hare Kåñëa Land. He’s an Indian who took his degree in Alaska and he has two sister-in-laws also who took their doctor’s degree in Moscow, and they have great faith in Kåñëa.
Prabhupäda: Make them come, make them come. Treat them nicely. Give them good place. In this way increase the number of workers. Then people will, “Oh... They are not religious sentiments. They have got books, they have got scientists, they have got doctors.” Is it not? And we can challenge them. “Come on, what is our education, let us test. We are prepared to talk with you like scientists.” So you are all here now and... Organize in Bombay. Bombay, the center of Bhaktivedanta Institute.
Svarüpa Dämodara: A few students came day before yesterday from Bombay University.
Prabhupäda: Let them come.
Svarüpa Dämodara: They wanted to study in Bhaktivedanta Institute.
Prabhupäda: Very good. Give them good place. We don’t want tenants or... Turn the whole building into Bhaktivedanta Institute. And another building start. Yes. We have got enough place. I want that the intelligent man should come and learn this science. That is wanted.
yad yad äcarati çreñöhas
tat tad evetaro janaù
sa yat pramäëaà kurute
lokas tad anuvartate
These people. Bring important men, important student. Take this opportunity. Give them nice place so that they may not be uncomfortable. Give them good food.
Giriräja: Yes. We have a lot of facility.
Prabhupäda: Then there should not be any scarcity for their comfort. People are trained up to the modern comforts. Therefore I am building so big, big institution. Otherwise, I... That’s a fact. Rädhä-Dämodara temple is sufficient for me. It is not for me I want these big, big buildings. I am accustomed to live anywhere. But those who are educated, scientists, they are accustomed, Europeans, Americans... They must be given proper place. That was my Guru Mahäräja’s policy. Not that all of a sudden they should now live on the floor. No, that’s not possible. Then they will be disturbed. Give them nice place, give them nice food, nice instruction. You are all intelligent boys. Do it immediately. Another building construct. That colony should be for first-class Kåñëa conscious people, to preach. So Gargamuni, you also help.
Gargamuni: Yes. We stopped in a college, Acyutänanda and myself, a D.A.B. college, and we spoke to some of these professors of physics, and we showed him the books and especially that Scientific Basis...
Prabhupäda: On the whole I very much appreciated your presentation. I thank you very much.

Room Conversation
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March 26, 1977, Bombay

[Pedro Micho]

So that Sharma is more impressed.
Svarüpa Dämodara: Yes, Sharma just came here from the United States. He studied for a few years. So he is also a cardiologist.
Prabhupäda: Oh.
Svarüpa Dämodara: And he had some friends there in Bombay Hospital, and he is going to definitely make arrangement so we can give a seminar in the hospital.
Prabhupäda: Important man. Recognize him. Make him member.
Svarüpa Dämodara: We will also make some engagements in... There is an institute called Patha Institute for Fundamental Research. They study about nuclear physics. So I am going to arrange for one of our people to speak.
Prabhupäda: Oh, yes. Speak in important institution like that. That will command respect.
Svarüpa Dämodara: He is going to speak about quantum physics and Kåñëa consciousness.
Prabhupäda: These things the swamis cannot do.
Giriräja: No. None of them. (laughter)
Prabhupäda: Either Cinmayananda or this Sai Baba or this...
Indian man: Muktananda.
Prabhupäda: They cannot.
Gargamuni: None of them. Especially in India, this will be a great attraction, if we speak these subjects... We should call a press conference. Whenever these scientists make some new discovery they hold a press conference. So we should also hold a press conference and say “Life comes from life.”
Prabhupäda: That will come automatically. We are not very great scientists.(?) Let us speak important institute.
Çrédhara: In India they have a club, and some of the famous scientists in India belong to it. It’s called the “Life Comes From Matter” club.
Devotee: Really?
Prabhupäda: Challenge them.
Çrédhara: I think you met one of the head men.
Svarüpa Dämodara: Yes, I met a head man. He is in Trombay, the Bhava(?) Atomic Research Center. But I discussed for about three and a half hours, and he showed me all the laboratory that he is doing. And then we sat together and then we discussed the...
Prabhupäda: Did you record all the talks?
Svarüpa Dämodara: This was not recorded.
Prabhupäda: It should be recorded.
Svarüpa Dämodara: I didn’t have my cassette with me.
Prabhupäda: You keep one assistant, to record you.
Svarüpa Dämodara: But I pointed out the mistakes, the defects that we have in scientific studies, and he thought very carefully and he agreed to the point.
Prabhupäda: Yes, any intelligent man should agree to the right point.
Svarüpa Dämodara: We knew what he was doing, but he didn’t know what we were doing. That was the...
Prabhupäda: That is ignorance. Childish. A child does not know what he is doing. That is the difference between a child and elderly man.

Room Conversation
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March 26, 1977, Bombay

[Pedro Micho]

Tamäla Kåñëa: o you think that in America there will be much receptivity at this time?
Prabhupäda: Make first of all in India.
Giriräja: From India you can be famous.
Svarüpa Dämodara: No, first of all, when we have this journal out, this volume, first volume is going to be out in about three months, and then it will be more effective. We are going to speak, at the same time distribute the journals in the form of written forms, as evidence of what has been spoken. So that way it has more weight. And if they don’t understand they can read it and study, and they can...
Prabhupäda: In the meantime let us recruit some important... Just like this Russian scientist.
Giriräja: This Dr. Khorana is supposed to be...
Prabhupäda: I think as our books are entering Russia, it will create something.
Svarüpa Dämodara: Yes. I think it will be...
Prabhupäda: Eighteen books, Bhägavata, they have ordered.
Tamäla Kåñëa: It’s not a joke. Someone is going to read them. The Russians are the biggest readers in the world.
Prabhupäda: Not only that. They are anxious to read from Indian literature. They know there is substance in these books. That they know.

Room Conversation
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March 26, 1977, Bombay

[Pedro Micho]

The more you try to convince others about this Kåñëa consciousness, the more you become enlightened.

Room Conversation
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March 26, 1977, Bombay