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CHIEF91592
Posted: Jun 5 2007, 09:29 PM


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What forms of religion do you think are the most plausible? Bear in mind, that this also counts beliefs that are nearly dead in today's society.


I was raised Catholic, so most of my beliefs are centered around that, but I see Islam as the most accepting and agreeable form of beliefs. My reason is that Islam accepts that Catholicism's messiah, Jesus Christ is a prophet, whereas Catholicism, to the best of my knowledge, Catholicism, or Christianity in general, does nothing of the sort for Muhammad, the messiah( I believe) according to Islam

Please, bear with me, I have a very fractured view of other religions, and am trying to learn more.

Thoughts?


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Posted: Jun 6 2007, 02:55 AM


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The most plausible belief, in my opinion, is Dystheism.


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Dark Butterfree
Posted: Jun 6 2007, 03:05 AM


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I try to stay away from religious discussions, purely because I don't believe in a god.
Although, now that I've read about it, Dystheism would work too.
Eh, It's just easier to be an Atheist.


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Meeko
Posted: Jun 6 2007, 03:21 AM


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I'm a Christian, though I'm really not that religious at all.


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Posted: Jun 6 2007, 10:51 AM


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I'm Christian for the most part. But like Meeko I'm not that religious at all.


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Spritescaper
Posted: Jun 6 2007, 12:06 PM


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I'm not religious at all, though both my grandparents are Buddhists, and I respect them for it.

I think that Buddhism is more of a philosophy than a true "religion" though. As they like to say, it's a way of life. Unlike its counterparts, it doesn't require you to believe in a central god-like figure, but encourages its practitioners to seek self-enlightenment and self-knowledge. (nirvana)

Although I don't agree with all of its ideals, I find it plausible in the sense that it doesn't demand blind faith (ex. Believe first, ask questions later) from its followers, as other religions often tend to.


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Joshua Ryu
Posted: Jun 6 2007, 04:49 PM


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Now I could be a complete asshat like some people I know and say: "IF U DONT BELIEVE IN JESUS, U GOING TO ROT IN HEll BITCH!" But I won't, because I'm not an asshat(>_>).

I'm Catholic, so I beleive in Jesus, and God, and all that stuff. However, I only go to Church on Easter and Christmas. One of the Ten Comandments says you have go to Church every Sunday. So am I "GOING TO ROT IN HELL BITCH!"?

I think not.

God is patient(if he isn't, were screwed VERY soon). He hopefully forgives the sins I and others have commited, and still allow us to enter Heavan. Maybe I'm just saying this to reassure myself, I don't know.

I beleive in God and Jusus because everything had to start somewhere. The entire universe didn't just create itself from nothing. And for you people who say: "Then where did God come from, huh?!" You know what? He created himself, ok? That's the best I got.

Another Comandment says God must be your one and only god. Does that mean every other religion that beleives in another god are going to hell?

I think not.

For all we know, they could be right, and WE'RE the ones going to hell. If Jesus is real, and there IS a Heaven, I think that even those who didn't beleive in Jesus and God should be allowed in Heaven, anyway.

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Oblivion_Awaits
Posted: Jun 6 2007, 05:39 PM


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No offense to anyone, but I don't believe in going to church every Sunday. For as Martin Luther said : "Inner faith in God is enough for salvation". Thats what I believe. I don't believe in the whole "You're going to hell if you don't go to church" thing.


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Posted: Jun 7 2007, 05:14 PM


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QUOTE (CHIEF91592 @ Jun 5 2007, 09:29 PM)
What forms of religion do you think are the most plausible? Bear in mind, that this also counts beliefs that are nearly dead in today's society.


I was raised Catholic, so most of my beliefs are centered around that, but I see Islam as the most accepting and agreeable form of beliefs. My reason is that Islam accepts that Catholicism's messiah, Jesus Christ is a prophet, whereas Catholicism, to the best of my knowledge, Catholicism, or Christianity in general, does nothing of the sort for Muhammad, the messiah( I believe) according to Islam

Please, bear with me, I have a very fractured view of other religions, and am trying to learn more.

Thoughts?

Yay - something I've actually studied about! smile.gif Your facts are OK, although I'm not so sure about your conclusions.

Islam incorporates some aspects of Christianity - it acknowledges Abraham, Moses, and Jesus, among many other figures, as prophets of Allah. In particular, Jesus is considered a great prophet, who performed many miracles.

Christianity does not accept Islam for several reasons. First is the time difference. The last book in the Bible, Revelation, is dated back to 70-80 AD. Muhammad was born around 570 AD.

~In both religions, Jesus never sinned, and Jesus' teachings were rejected by the Jews, who wanted to kill him for blasphemy. The major difference is that Christianity claims that Jesus is the Messiah, whereas Islam claims that Jesus is just a prophet.

Christianity states that Jesus (or Christ in the Bible,) A) was God, and B.) was Messiah. Jesus was killed by the Jews, and then returned to life, as a substitution for humanity's disobedience.

Islam states that Jesus (Isa in the Koran,) A) was just a man endowed by Allah with miraculous powers, and B.) was just a prophet. Jesus escaped by miraculously making one of his followers look just like him, then ascended to heaven while his substitute was killed in his place.

A bit of a slip-up, Chief91592: Muhammad did not claim to be a Messiah. Islam says he is just another prophet - but he was the "last prophet". The teachings he gave in the Koran made everything that was taught by other previous prophets invalid. According to Islam, the Bible has been corrupted and is heresy, and that the Koran gives the true account of the prophets.

In order to be saved in Christianity, one just needs to believe that Jesus was God and Messiah, and that he died as a substitute for your sins. Protestants say that simply repenting and accepting are enough, while Catholics added on a few extra requirements (mass & confession, among others... I'm a little rusty on Catholic beliefs.)

In order to be saved in Islam, one must perform the "Five Pillars" - A) Confess that Allah is God and Muhammad is his Prophet, cool.gif pray five time a day towards Mecca, C) give alms to the poor, D) keep the annual monthly fast during Ramadan, and E) make at least 1 pilgrimage during your life to Mecca.

Of course, in both religions, belief in other gods is considered heresy. I skipped over a lot of the details, unfortunately, but that's the basic stuff. biggrin.gif


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Biospark
Posted: Jun 7 2007, 06:14 PM


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I belief is, there is a god, he created this world and then just watched it grow, why? Entertainment, it is an odd belief but whatever

I don't like organized religion because often times it is used as a weapon or tool to fufill with selfish ambitions of a small group, for example, my church (I still go to a church..a highly organized one) they told the people to vote certain people in office. Moreso 9/11 attacks were influenced by religion also and one indiviual pullin' the strings..it's pretty crazy D=



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derek
Posted: Jun 7 2007, 06:23 PM


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I don't believe in any religion really. I feel as if they teach morals, but I don't believe in the super natural parts.


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CHIEF91592
Posted: Jun 7 2007, 06:32 PM


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QUOTE (rjedwards @ Jun 7 2007, 04:14 PM)
QUOTE (CHIEF91592 @ Jun 5 2007, 09:29 PM)
What forms of religion do you think are the most plausible? Bear in mind, that this also counts beliefs that are nearly dead in today's society.


I was raised Catholic, so most of my beliefs are centered around that, but I see Islam as the most accepting and agreeable form of beliefs. My reason is that Islam accepts that Catholicism's messiah, Jesus Christ is a prophet, whereas Catholicism, to the best of my knowledge, Catholicism, or Christianity in general, does nothing of the sort for Muhammad, the messiah( I believe) according to Islam

Please, bear with me, I have a very fractured view of other religions, and am trying to learn more.

Thoughts?

Yay - something I've actually studied about! smile.gif Your facts are OK, although I'm not so sure about your conclusions.

Islam incorporates some aspects of Christianity - it acknowledges Abraham, Moses, and Jesus, among many other figures, as prophets of Allah. In particular, Jesus is considered a great prophet, who performed many miracles.

Christianity does not accept Islam for several reasons. First is the time difference. The last book in the Bible, Revelation, is dated back to 70-80 AD. Muhammad was born around 570 AD.

~In both religions, Jesus never sinned, and Jesus' teachings were rejected by the Jews, who wanted to kill him for blasphemy. The major difference is that Christianity claims that Jesus is the Messiah, whereas Islam claims that Jesus is just a prophet.

Christianity states that Jesus (or Christ in the Bible,) A) was God, and B.) was Messiah. Jesus was killed by the Jews, and then returned to life, as a substitution for humanity's disobedience.

Islam states that Jesus (Isa in the Koran,) A) was just a man endowed by Allah with miraculous powers, and B.) was just a prophet. Jesus escaped by miraculously making one of his followers look just like him, then ascended to heaven while his substitute was killed in his place.

A bit of a slip-up, Chief91592: Muhammad did not claim to be a Messiah. Islam says he is just another prophet - but he was the "last prophet". The teachings he gave in the Koran made everything that was taught by other previous prophets invalid. According to Islam, the Bible has been corrupted and is heresy, and that the Koran gives the true account of the prophets.

In order to be saved in Christianity, one just needs to believe that Jesus was God and Messiah, and that he died as a substitute for your sins. Protestants say that simply repenting and accepting are enough, while Catholics added on a few extra requirements (mass & confession, among others... I'm a little rusty on Catholic beliefs.)

In order to be saved in Islam, one must perform the "Five Pillars" - A) Confess that Allah is God and Muhammad is his Prophet, cool.gif pray five time a day towards Mecca, C) give alms to the poor, D) keep the annual monthly fast during Ramadan, and E) make at least 1 pilgrimage during your life to Mecca.

Of course, in both religions, belief in other gods is considered heresy. I skipped over a lot of the details, unfortunately, but that's the basic stuff. biggrin.gif

Thank you, I knew I was going to be wrong on some parts, as I know next to nothing about muslim beliefs, although I am a Catholic, and one, who although he doesn't neccessarily believe in everything the Bible teaches, he knows MANY of the stories


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chief91592 [1:28 P.M.]: Well
chief91592 [1:28 P.M.]: I must go
chief91592 [1:28 P.M.]: TIme to go golfing
chief91592 [1:28 P.M.]: errr
AtaxiaNightchava [1:28 P.M.]: Alright, good luck!
chief91592 [1:28 P.M.]: time to get out of the car
chief91592 [1:28 P.M.]: danke
AtaxiaNightchava [1:28 P.M.]: May your balls go into holes.
chief91592 [1:29 P.M.]: teehee
AtaxiaNightchava [1:29 P.M.]: In the not sexual way.

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robertllynch
Posted: Jun 7 2007, 08:25 PM


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QUOTE (Biospark @ Jun 7 2007, 06:14 PM)
I belief is, there is a god, he created this world and then just watched it grow, why? Entertainment, it is an odd belief but whatever

That's very similar to the clockmaker hypothesis of deism.

Aside from dystheism, I'd say deism is the most likely, specifically because of the clockmaker hypothesis.


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Koako
Posted: Jun 12 2007, 10:13 PM


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I believe in Scothism. Never heard of it? Because I made it!
It states, that life began, when matter was able to retain a type of energy(Somewhat simialr to the force), the energy fueling organs to think, move, and such. Our brainwaves basically.
Scothism is the belief that everything is centered around energy, and that control over that, is control over everything. When we die, usually, that matter can no longer sustain the perfect enviroment, and the energy dies off, transforming into heat and leaving our bodies. However, if we have reached a certain mental state, or practise or something, the energy is released, and we exist on a higher plane of existance, AS energy.


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Biospark
Posted: Jun 12 2007, 10:36 PM


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QUOTE (Koako @ Jun 13 2007, 03:13 AM)
I believe in Scothism. Never heard of it? Because I made it!
It states, that life began, when matter was able to retain a type of energy(Somewhat simialr to the force), the energy fueling organs to think, move, and such. Our brainwaves basically.
Scothism is the belief that everything is centered around energy, and that control over that, is control over everything. When we die, usually, that matter can no longer sustain the perfect enviroment, and the energy dies off, transforming into heat and leaving our bodies. However, if we have reached a certain mental state, or practise or something, the energy is released, and we exist on a higher plane of existance, AS energy.

That's an interesting aspect on life Koako, now spread it about and teach people your way so that you can control them to destroy and pillage many upon many towns and moreso eliminate your foes in the political offices =D


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