English influence in Europe, quick question, little confused.

i know there's a thread for the Brittish underworld, but i thought i'd get better answers here. i came across some opinions about London's gangs and their significance in the European crime world, but i just didn't think it was true and want further clarification.

that's what he said. he has his sources, but i just find it hard to believe that they override the Camorra influence in Spain and in general are a force that rivals the Albanians, Italians, Dutch etc in Europe.

any thing will be greatly appreciated, thanks

As a country the Netherlands and Spain are more important the world's drug gangs meet there all British and Irish gangs have bases in the two countries.

Spanish shooting blamed on Dublin gangs' revenge attack
Henry McDonald, Ireland editor The Observer, Sunday August 24 2008

The gangland war against Dublin criminal John Gilligan has shifted to Spain's Costa del Sol. Gardai believe that the attempted murder of a former member of Gilligan's drugs gang in Andalusia was linked to threats against the crime boss. Peter Mitchell was shot outside a bar on a complex in Puerto Banus, near Marbella, on Thursday night.

Two other people wounded in the shooting were innocent bystanders from Ireland, says the Republic's Department of Foreign Affairs. One of the two other victims was a 73-year-old Irishman.

Spanish police were waiting yesterday to interview 39-year-old Mitchell, who is expected to make a full recovery from his injuries. Mitchell, who fled to Spain in 1996, had been one of a number of gangsters targeted in a major state operation against the Gilligan gang.

Security sources in the Republic last night linked the murder bid on the Spanish coast to a new campaign by rival Irish criminals against Gilligan and his associates.

Earlier this month it was revealed that Gilligan was receiving 24-hour protection inside Portlaoise to safeguard him from other prisoners.

Rival criminals are angry over his recent interview in Irish pop magazine Hot Press, via a mobile phone. This contributed to a security crackdown, which has affected the operations of other gang leaders inside.

A Gardai source said: 'Up until then, a number of jailed criminals were still able to run their empires from inside. Now they can't communicate with their teams and they blame Gilligan for that.

'Gilligan was badly beaten up by a young Dublin criminal in front of other inmates. And these rivals are not just prepared to go after him it seems; they have the team and the firepower to hunt down the remaining members of his old gang, most of whom are now in Spain.'

In recent years the Irish underworld, alongside the Russian mafia and British gangsters, have fought for control of the lucrative drugs trade in southern Spain.

http://www.independent.ie/multimedia/archi...gan_171123t.jpg

http://worldsmostdangerousstreetgangs.blog...ide-bar-at.html

that's what he said. he has his sources, but i just find it hard to believe that they override the Camorra influence in Spain and in general are a force that rivals the Albanians, Italians, Dutch etc in Europe.

any thing will be greatly appreciated, thanks

I think it is not as clear cut. No one/single group runs an entire country where the world's crime groups get together to organize drug shipments and money laundering. It is clear the British have a big presence in Spain (and The Netherlands, lots of Irish) but they do not "run oc" there. I also believe that they are by far not as organized as the Italian or Eastern European groups.

Many of the TOP gangsters are of Anglo-Irish and Irish descent. I'm not talking about the knife gangs in London!

In 2004 Irish criminals headed Britain’s underworld rich list
Thomas "Slab" Murphy (IRA)
Brian Wright
Mickey Green

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Green

Those BBC docus about that list were great!

Indian drug boss Fouad Abbas lived in London, very powerful and rich guy linked to some members of the Dutch traveller community and to the Montreal underworld. Even El Chapo Guzman visited his office in England (in the late 1980's)

For the americans travellers are gypsies

I find it very unlikely... i think russian and former yugoslavian "mafia" controls 90% of all the drugs stronger than hashish in western europe...

The Italians are still number 1 but all gangs work together no ethnic group can do it alone in the drug business.

IMC due to report on IRA leaders

Monday September 01 2008

A report on the IRA's ruling army council is being handed over to the British and Irish governments today.

The Independent Monitoring Commission has confirmed it has completed its report on IRA structures.

The watchdog's security assessment findings will be made public on Wednesday.

It comes as the DUP and Sinn Fein are deadlocked over the future of the Northern Ireland power-sharing government.

right, thanks a lot guys it clears a lot up.

ciao amici



You are lucky Mucho, it has totally lost me!


Buona fortuna


'The king is dead. Long live the king'

The Italian mafias are by far the strongest the Russians could be a threat but the vory v zakone are not as powerful as cosa nostra, camorra or 'ndrangheta..

lucky Mucho- as you can imagine there are things we don't know and things that will be dangerous to write about that shows the italian mafias are the strongest economic force in europe.

They are pwerful because of the links to groups like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_Due

you can understand what i meant from hollander link ....just imagine things bigger than that.

sorry if i am beeing difficult or confusing, but i still believe that russians rules "the big picture"...

i can only speak for what i personally see in scandinavia...and i also hear the same from a friend from germany...there is no italians here, only russians and yugoslavians.... heroin is transported through afghanistan - uzebekistan(former sovjet) right? AKA the russians do it... they also control prostitution around the globe, an almost bigger marked than drugs...


the bigger economy, the bigger marked.....

the russians have hundereds of organiztions, the italians have only six .

the italians control the drugs trafficing , they don't deal it directly that's why you don't see them , it might be that in scandinavia they don't present as in other countries.
my friend- in germany the italians control almost as in italy , they laundring 10 billion euro a year over there (ndrangheta alone) so I don't know what your friend talking about (he may see the street gangsters...) ndrangheta are invisble.
true that russians control prostitution but they have hudereds of organiztions!!! in most of the cases they don't know each other! there are a lot of russian immigrants that built gangs in their new country but the italians always get orders from the mother base in south of italy! it's like i will tell you microsoft doing 50 billion a year and you will tell me about hundreds of small computer companies that make togther the same amount but thet don't know each other.



capisci?!


x-man

The Italian mafias operate worldwide they have bases even in Argentina, South Africa, Russia and China!

Maybe not in North-Korea

maybe....and maybe not

The Turks controll most of the heroin trade in Europe.

no , they produce it and sell it , but they don't traffic it most of the times (except u.k),

ndrangheta control the turkish H to the usa and to some parts in europe, bulgarians also strong in this.

The turkish route is not the only way don't forget the oceans..how many ships do they own?

Class A capitalists
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/drugs/story...,686664,00.html

They have to share te routes with the Albanians. The Kosovo War played a key role in the rise of the Albanian mafia throughout Europe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_Mafia

the albanians have very strong links to the turkish babas,the albanians also have very very strong links to ndrangheta-this tringle control the H trafficing in europe (russians also take small part in this).

of course with the help of the bulgarian underworld ,bulgaria is major transit point for the H.

In Holland we don't need heroin..the biggest market is England. Ecstacy (xtc), amphetamine (speed) and cocaine are more popular.

Do H once and your an addict for life.Luckily people are smarter then that.Atleast in Holland.

Crimestoppers unveils 10 most wanted British criminals on the Costa Blanca
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle5097398.ece

British fugitives arrested after neighbour sees them on Crimestoppers
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/c...icle5108796.ece

yesterday roberto saviano said in paris that the top 3 italian mafia invest each year 100 billion euro into eu economy and that england is one of the top countries that don't give a damm about the billions invested there by the mafias.

ciao amici


calma! the mafia heads in italy will enjoy reading this thread as it is clear that there are those who believe that their international power has indeed diminished and it is the russians, bulgarians, albanians, irish, english etc etc who are now the big cheeses in international OC

the reach of the octopuss knows no bounds my friends and no other organization has its capability - believe it or not, i dont care, but the evidence you will see all around you, wherever you might live on this planet of ours - there are not many areas of international business today where the italian mafias have not been involved, either legally or illegally - sorry boris, but you got a long long way to go and a lot to learn

that all might sound dramatic, but then again, fact is always stranger than fiction, and the facts would overwhelm you, that you can believe

buona fortuna


'the king is dead. long live the king'

people talk today who is the most powerful mafia in the world? sicilian mafia or the ndrangheta......i say ndrangheta .....but if we look on all the italian mafia (ndrangheta,cosa nostra,camorra,scu,stidda,basilischi) together- they have no rivals in power and not in money....and don't forget that if you talk on "italian orgenized crime" you have to get in this the LCN,the canadian mafia, australian mafia etc' in addition to the mafia clans in italy.


the italian mafia controled,control and will control the global o.c...no russians , no mexicans and no colombians can get a power ,wealth,globaliztion and contacts as the italians have.


x-man

I agree with you guys maybe some Asians groups (triads and yakuza) they are older than the Mafia and very sophisticated. The Chinese groups run the chinatowns all over the world..