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 Rhodes, Rhodes...just Rhodes.
Rhodes
Posted: Nov 30 2006, 08:24 PM


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well well well... looks like i've raised the dander up on someone... all within less than 20 posts.. *brushes sleeves*. gotta be a new record. cool.gif

Anyway... sorry alaska if my character seems to bother you.
But i DO recall inquiring as to the nature of 'vampires' and 'age-effects' before i even contemplated casting a character.

But if it'll make you happier... i could re-write my character completely to be human, around 35 yrs old.. and is of asian decent. Put him (or her even would be funnier) with a historical background of all martial arts training ninja.gif from the age of 3. That way SHE could take something as simple as a sewing needle and fling it into your eye, to kill you....all the while not even messing up her sweet hairdoo.

Now how silly do you feel about trashing on my vamp character? Since you just got pwned by a girl martial arts master character? ninja.gif

If the general consensus is for Rhodes to be a 'younger', more youthful looking vamp with the basic falliaces as the old one has.... (and yet to show in a mission)... I'll be more than compliant to acquiesce to the reconscript of his history and background.


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Jay
Posted: Nov 30 2006, 08:44 PM


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QUOTE (Rhodes @ Dec 1 2006, 09:24 AM)
well well well... looks like i've raised the dander up on someone... all within less than 20 posts.. *brushes sleeves*. gotta be a new record. cool.gif

Maybe for you. I did it to two people with just three (see Raike and Itachi Shinoba topics). tongue.gif

But that's beside the point. I've tried to stay out of this argument, and I think there are valid points on BOTH sides.

Vampires do age. Cosmetic surgery would slow the visible process down. Vampires appear to age SLOWER than humans, so after 133 years, I'm guessing that you'd look about 50-60ish. Plastic surgery would probably make you look around late 30s, early 40s. But Alaska is right in that nothing short of a complete body restructure would make you look right. You would have already begun to display vampirical signs of ageing, such as the curved spine etc. So, all in all, this particular Rhodes would probably look like he has a face made of plastic and Botox, and has a hunched back. Maybe making him a bit younger (I don't know, maybe 80, instead of 133) would also help.

It's up to you. These are just my opinions.
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Templar
Posted: Nov 30 2006, 08:50 PM


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Good points Jay. Vincent is indeed guilty of the whole "immortal vamp" deal, but he is only about 60 years old, 32 of those being a vampire. Rhodes might want to change his age a bit, now that Jay has pretty much opened my eyes to that detail, but I don't feel that anything else is a matter.

Woot. That is all.


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Cyber78
Posted: Nov 30 2006, 08:55 PM


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Don't worry about it Rhodes, unless there's been a massive overhaul of the FVZA's vampire biology page within the last week I'd say you're perfectly clear so long as cosmetic's are involved. Although for balance purposes let's all just remember that cosmetic's aren't perfect, and don't hold up 100% of the time during rought situations.

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You know what about this pisses me off? All of it. "Well... I want to be cool. So I'll be a vampire. But wait, to make me seem even cooler, and wiser, I'll be really old, but I'll look young... With... Cosmetics! Yeah! Then I can ignore the aging part of vampires and just be a Cliché-as-fuck Immortal Vampire like that bullshit show Buffy! I rock..."

Like it or not, old people do the same thing all the time. And keep in mind that for one to survive the FVZA from back in the day you'd have to be a pretty smart and pretty adaptable vampire.

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No, no fucking way. Screw the fucking cosmetics, if you want to be a Vampire and look young, then actually be young.

I'll allow it so long as it doesn't conflict with reality and doesn't destroy the story. So far I've seen no evidence suggesting it conflicts with the reality established by fvza.org. And my past expirience (well mainly DF's, I just watched) with Rhodes tells me that he's either extremely good at fiction and always has his facts straight, or he's actually a psi-vamp who always has his facts straight. Either one of those is more than I've seen from the majority of the other member's on any RPG or forum I've been to so I'm going to put my trust in Rhodes to keep it balanced.

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And besides, you'd of had to have become more and more active over the years Alive, and you'd have become one during the beginnings of the FVZA. I'd bet more than a reasonable amount of money that that couldn't happen, again, so it becomes both Physically not possible to look Thirty, let alone for you to remain alive.

I'm curious as to where you're getting this from. That may apply to human biology, but the vampire biology of the FVZA says otherwise. From my understanding vampires don't age like humans do, their appearance does change over time, but they do not become weaker like humans. No known vampire has ever died of old age, most older vampires are injured severely and die just like the younger one's do.

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Stop the bullshit and fucking play legit, because I don't give a shit about your age. What Alaska would see is a decrepit old Vampire able to be dropped with a single punch, let alone a shot to the stomach.

As it stands both the moderators/the admin of this site don't mind the profile. And if you try imagining Rhodes as a feeble old vampire that can be dropped with a single punch then be my guest. You can go charge into battle expecting an easy victory, but be warned that anyone who's stupid enough to charge into battle that way is quite susceptible to a PK.

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You can revise it or I'll go to Pecos. Until then frankly I can see nothing but Bullshit.

Go for it. I'm honestly curious as to what he has to say about what goes on this site. But personally I don't think he honestly care's enough to come on and correct every single little thing. You can go to him if you'd like, I'll change what needs to be changed according to his word, but I doubt he's going to say much.


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Rhodes
Posted: Nov 30 2006, 08:56 PM


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Hey.. whats 53 yrs? pfft.
80 yrs of life experience would be just as good. wink.gif

The 133 incidentally came from the time he was turned... so technically he was in his 30's when changed... add the current time... so 80+33=113years old.
Meh, whatever. i can work around it.

I mean its not like im running around with an invincible character. rolleyes.gif

I have no problem modifying it... in fact... i'll do that just now.... so's not to pee in the pool.... being a newcomer and all. wink.gif



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Alaska
Posted: Dec 1 2006, 03:42 AM


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Ugh. Rhodes, I haven't been trying to make you feel bad, although I think I've done a helluva good job doing so, but frankly, the old RP died to many factors, and this carries under some of those factors.

Hold on, though, for a moment.

Naturally, Cyber, I have to counter each of your arguments.

Intro
Your argument They'd have to be smart and adaptable,
I'll cover it in the Life-stuff

First few lines- Age-appearance
Your Argument- Okay so long as it doesn't conflict with reality, basically any cosmetic argument, aging shit, etc, is set off by this photo. On an instant.

user posted image I do believe I've just pulled the Your-ass-is-now-mine card.

That's a 125-Year old Vamp, now tell me, as Vampires feast on blood, how the fuck cosmetics are going to make anything at all resembling that disappear. Tell me that.

Basically that picture says it all, what the Cosmetics can cover is the Face, maybe. The back, you're life is fucked. No way in hell the stomach, feeble in general, sure, fierce as hell, sure, strong enough to stay incognito for say, 100-years? No! I've already E-Mailed Pecos, and when he responds I'm more than ready to be directed RIGHT BACK TO THAT PHOTO. Sure, I'm being hella bitchy, sure, I'm being an all-around jackass. But no, this kind of thing simply can't happen. With cosmetics, even. And about Templar, more open, it's more reasonable, because he's younger and has been a Vampire for a shorter time, but it couldn't happen. I can't see it happening, the site can't see it happening, with evidence, and I'm sure as Hell Pecos can't see it happening either. So I ask you, Rhodes, with the least amount of asshole-ivity possible, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH BEING THIRTY.

Oh, and Cyber, I'd take the guy if I wasn't the type who hates PKing.
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Cyber78
Posted: Dec 1 2006, 04:26 AM


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Well I must say that I at least admire that you're backing up your arguements quite well, even if I do disagree.

First off, you're absolutely on your conclusion that the face can be fixed, and that the whole body is pretty much beyond repair. However my conclusion is that the vampire in that particular has either not exercised in very long, is suffering from malnutrition, or is just flat out deceptive in appearance. First I shall quote the biology of vampires;

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While no vampire on record has ever died of natural causes, vampires do undergo an aging process, just not in the same way as humans. Vampires do not age on a molecular/genetic level, but their life of hunting and eluding capture creates tremendous wear and tear in the form of injuries to bones and tissue.

Because they presented such a danger to society, most vampires were destroyed long before the outer limits of their life span were determined. Ancient history offers some clues, however. In Ancient China, there was said to be one vampire in the emperor's court through the entire (eastern) Zhou Dynasty, which would put his age at 550. More accurate modern records have certified vampires of over 200 years old.

Contrary to the opinions of many theologians, vampiric longevity is not the result of some pact with the devil, but rather an ability to ward off the DNA damage that occurs during cell division in normal humans. Specifically, the protective caps on the ends of chromosomes known as telomers get chewed up over time in humans, but not in vampires.

Though their DNA may have the ability to resist aging, a vampire's appearance will change dramatically over time. Vampires lose all of their hair within 10 years of transformation. Over time, a vampire's fat stores shrink away and its skin becomes thinner and more transparent, giving it a withered, dried appearance. Aging also leaves vampires with a pronounced curvature of the spine.

Despite their rather feeble appearance, older vampires are still extremely powerful and agile. Many a vampire hunter has made the mistake of underestimating them.


Thus it is reasonable to assume that a very old vampire could indeed disguise their facial appearance. However I'll agree that it'd be difficult to cover up a vampire's overall appearance. Yet at the same time due to this and sensitivity to sunlight it is logical to assume that a vampire would indeed wear clothes that fully cover the body once their appearance has begun to change.

Therefore any vampire with enough money could easily cover their faces. It wouldn't even need to be cosmetic suguery, just a wig and some skill with makeup can easily do the trick as many female's can prove.

Now as my next point I'll demonstrate the Dr. Peco's will not agree with you, at least not without contradicting himself on the story of Nephilis;
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A: Without question, the biggest thorn in the side of the FVZA was Nephilis, an Alpha vampire who eluded vampire hunters for well over 300 years.

Nephilis was born in present-day Germany in 1688 and grew up in a world of privilege as Wolrad, Count of Ottweiler. At 6'6" tall, he was a commanding presence and a noted patron of the arts. He also was a notorious womanizer whose exploits earned him the ire of many a cuckolded husband. Fortunately for him, he was an outstanding swordsman and never lost a duel. Wolrad's libidinous pursuits finally landed him in real trouble in 1715, when he was turned by a vampiric prostitute.

The former Wolrad embraced the life of a vampire and changed his name to Nephilis, a nod to the race of beasts in the Bible known as the Nephilim. As was customary among vampires at the time, Nephilis "hid in plain sight." He moved easily through the upper crust of society and eventually married a Hapsburg princess named Elzbieta. He turned her on their wedding night and they lived together for more than 150 years.

Despite Nephilis' stature in society, his activities inevitably drew unwelcome attention and he had to move his base frequently; he lived, for a time, in Amsterdam, London and Madrid. Nephilis' life in Europe came to an end when the King of Spain put a bounty on his head. He made his way to America in the hold of a clipper ship and resumed his pattern of finding wealthy patrons to harbor him until the scrutiny of law enforcement forced him to move on. In the 20th century, he increasingly associated himself with bars, speakeasies and nightclubs, where his nocturnal lifestyle wouldn't stand out and where he could easily lure fresh blood. Since he had always been astute at moving around his vast fortune to avoid seizure, he never had trouble buying property or bribing the right people.

Nephilis saw himself as the Vampire Messiah that Quadilla had written of in the Middle Ages. He spoke 12 languages fluently, was a virtuoso on the piano and was able to attract followers and benefactors with his easy charm. Like a vampiric Forrest Gump, he was allegedly present at many historical events, including the sacking of the Bastille in Paris (1789), the first performance of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony in Vienna (1824), and the San Francisco earthquake and fire of 1906.

Vanguard agents hounded Nephilis relentlessly through the 1950s and 60s. Our closest call came almost by accident in 1971, when a team stumbled upon his base during a rescue operation at a New York City nightclub. However, Nephilis killed an agent and escaped by leaping atop a moving subway train. After he fled, agents were shocked to discover a labyrinthine complex under the nightclub, including a chapel decorated with human skulls, a pit for live captives and a laboratory where the legendary vampire appeared to be trying to develop a daywalking serum. Since then, there have been no sightings of him.

God willing, we have seen the last of him. But I wouldn't bet on it.

Considering that the man killed an agent and then leapt on to a moving subway train I'd say he was in pretty good shape back in 1971. And since he was born in 1688 that means that he was 283 years old and still very capable.

Now I understand where you're coming from on this on how a lot of stuff killed the RPG. However Rhodes is the succesor of Darkfox for the throne of moderator of the vampire forum over on the FVZA's main forum. It just so happens that he's a very intelligent guy who I'm willing to trust with advanced age. If somebody we can't trust comes along and wants to be Dracula or something then we'll definatley force some edits. But Rhodes is probably the only person I've ever had the privledge of talking to that knows anywhere close to as much about vampires as Dr. Pecos or Darkfox knew. So ultimatley I'm leaving it up to Rhodes as to whether or not he wants to be old or younger.


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Alaska
Posted: Dec 1 2006, 07:29 AM


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Damn good point, Cyber. Damn good point. Ugh, you've got me there. But my only problem was the appearance thing, Cyber, alright. Not about capabilities, please remember that.
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Rhodes
Posted: Dec 1 2006, 12:29 PM


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As much as i love a good heated debate... in my 'old' 33 yr crotchety age, i'd sooner get down to brass tacks.
Perhaps Rhodes has a mutant strand of dna in him that keeps his youthful appearance or he eats healthy, exercises...govt shot him full of somekinda goo...who knows... who really cares... doesnt matter... history has been rewritten.

Thank you fellas for all the wonderful words of encouragement and praise. I'm simply glad to be able to join in the fun!!

Now,
Don't worry alaska there's literally nothing short of a baby getting run over by a truck that'll make me feel bad. Your words, however asshol-ishly you want to put them... is nothing more than your opinion and that's how i'll see and take them.

The 'Your-ass-is-mine-card'.... LOL.. i like that one... you got spunk kid. laugh.gif
Just don't feel bad tho when you feel a sharp pain in your rather large 6'6 kneecap
when the snipers bullet tears thru the ligament and cartlidge. wink.gif Cuz at 6'6..thats a BIG ol'target.

FYI: I couldnt view the image...came up as an X user posted image.


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Cyber78
Posted: Dec 1 2006, 10:31 PM


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With appearance I just figure it'd be possible to cover the face with commonly availbile cosmetic items, but I completely agree that if say his shirt were ripped off it'd be obvious he was a vampire. Or just yank off his wig.


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Templar
Posted: Dec 3 2006, 02:32 AM


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Well, I dunno, maybe the fangs would to the trick too. They tell me vampire's teeth are quite interesting to look at. But then again, by the time you notice that the vampire had large fangs, it would already most likey be too late... and then again there are always those Goth types that want to be walking vampires.

Remember, real Goths would rather be sacking Rome.


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Cyber78
Posted: Dec 3 2006, 05:03 AM


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Or just don't smile much which is what I did for a while after I was told I'd need braces a few years back.


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Templar
Posted: Dec 3 2006, 05:17 AM


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They don't call me "Smiling Jack" for nothing. That is like telling a rat to stop being a sewer dwelling, trashing eating bottom feeder.


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Judder
Posted: Dec 3 2006, 05:23 AM


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QUOTE (Templar @ Dec 3 2006, 05:17 AM)
They don't call me "Smiling Jack" for nothing. That is like telling a rat to stop being a sewer dwelling, trashing eating bottom feeder.

Well put.
That is also like telling a person who has owned guns all thier life
That it is illegal and to hand them over


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Alaska
Posted: Dec 3 2006, 03:17 PM


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Meh. Alaska would be a big target, anyway. Strength training to become hella strong [And the possibility does exist to become strong enough to overpower Vampires] In the Marines alone, and he's a Sniper, anyway. And I'm not worried about a jittery old man with a Sniper, thanks.
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Judder
Posted: Dec 3 2006, 05:26 PM


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QUOTE (Alaska @ Dec 3 2006, 03:17 PM)
I'm not worried about a jittery old man with a Sniper, thanks.

I would be, Those guys are the best. I've seen a 70 year old man, use an ironsighted .308 and out shoot round for round a twenty year old sniper who used an M40


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Alaska
Posted: Dec 3 2006, 08:36 PM


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Let me correct myself. A jittery old sniper who hasn't had the best military backing in the world. (Marines+ Special Forces= Amazing Rifling) And you wouldn't be seeing a Vampire using a Sniper in the first place, close-quarter fighters. And there usually is never an opportunity to use Snipers with vampires, anyway. As it is typically close-combat.
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Templar
Posted: Dec 3 2006, 08:55 PM


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Jittery old man with a sniper you say? That reminds me of "The End" from Medal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater. He was "over a hundred years old", had a photosynthetic body, color changing leaf camoflauge, spotter birds and a trank shooting Mosin-Nagant rifle.

Let me tell you, he was a hard fight. There are ways to cheat him and avoid the battle, but I did it the hard way and found out why old guys with rifles are a force not to be underestimated.


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Jay
Posted: Dec 4 2006, 03:18 AM


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QUOTE (Templar @ Dec 4 2006, 09:55 AM)
Jittery old man with a sniper you say? That reminds me of "The End" from Medal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater. He was "over a hundred years old", had a photosynthetic body, color changing leaf camoflauge, spotter birds and a trank shooting Mosin-Nagant rifle.

Let me tell you, he was a hard fight. There are ways to cheat him and avoid the battle, but I did it the hard way and found out why old guys with rifles are a force not to be underestimated.

Don't even mention The End. Bad memories all around. It took me ages to come up with a strategy to kill the bastard (scope glints, heavy breather etc.). This is one fight I do not wish to repeat in a hurry, and I think it does drive home the point that experience rather than youth counts when it comes to firearms.
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Cyber78
Posted: Dec 4 2006, 03:25 AM


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Yeah, I once heard a story of an old woman that I belive I heard from my grandfather.

You see there were these younger gentlemen who decided they'd go and skeet shoot with some nice shotgun and fire from the hip. Didn't hit anything. Then came the old woman with her shotgun. She appeared as though she were ninety years old but she was a superb shot and took the recoil as though she'd known it for longer than the younger guys had been alive.


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