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Title: 4Kids might lose the rights to Yu-Gi-Oh!.
Description: UDE wasn't alone in being shady with it.


SearchmanDS - March 30, 2011 06:32 PM (GMT)
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/y...nates-us-172273

I thought I'd post this here since putting it anime forum would feel off, but feel free to move this to a more appropriate place if you deem it.

Edit: Another Source http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-...-deal-sue-4kids

Valentin - March 30, 2011 07:10 PM (GMT)
Well, given how critized their work is by fans, and how weak their releases to Latin America and Europe have been during the 5D's era, causing a decrease in the interest in the franchise by kids in those areas, is not hard to understand why this might happen...

a-hole w/ 9000atk - March 31, 2011 02:38 AM (GMT)
MWAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHA
HAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Boy, this franchise has some shitty luck on their Western marketing, don't they?



Look, in all seriousness, not EVERYTHING 4Kids has touched has been a shitfest, but after this franchise, One Piece, and Megaman .EXE, they DESERVE this.

SearchmanDS - April 10, 2011 02:27 PM (GMT)
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/4Kids-Entert...3.html?x=0&.v=1

Serves 4Kids right. I'm amused that is is paralleling the UDE business even more. Claiming they are in the right and victim when evidence clearly says otherwise.

Shinobi Phoenix - April 10, 2011 06:18 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SearchmanDS @ Apr 10 2011, 10:27 AM)
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/4Kids-Entert...3.html?x=0&.v=1

Serves 4Kids right. I'm amused that is is paralleling the UDE business even more. Claiming they are in the right and victim when evidence clearly says otherwise.

QUOTE
The 4Kids bankruptcy filing automatically “stays” the lawsuit filed by the licensors of the Yu-Gi-Oh! property, Asatsu-DK Inc (“ADK”) and TV Tokyo Corporation, (collectively, the “Licensors”) on March 24, 2011 against 4Kids, until such time as the Court may order otherwise.

"We have made every effort to reach agreement with the Licensors," said Goldstein. "When the Company did not receive a positive response from Licensors to its settlement proposal, the Board of Directors was left with little choice but to authorize the filing of a bankruptcy petition under Chapter 11 in order to best preserve the business and assets of 4Kids Entertainment. We continue to believe that the purported termination of the Yu-Gi-Oh! Agreement was wrongful and that 4Kids’ assessment of the audit claims will be vindicated in court. If the Court rules in favor of the Company, 4Kids will pursue the full measure of damages for the significant injury the Licensors have caused to the business of 4Kids," concluded Goldstein.




Take a guess what Deck 4Kids likes to run...


If your answer wasn't "STALL DECKS" you should be a shame of yourselves.

a-hole w/ 9000atk - April 10, 2011 06:48 PM (GMT)
That's the first time I've seen a company file bankruptcy to hold off a lawsuit.

This is frigging hilarious. :P

a-hole w/ 9000atk - May 20, 2011 01:02 AM (GMT)

Belmot - May 23, 2011 02:06 PM (GMT)
Well, sucks for America. But for the rest of the world it will most likely not really matter.

Remember, the german version of the Second Season of 5D's was already based on an international master of the Japanese Version. And this was long before NAS and Co. found out the 4Kids had screwed them.

a-hole w/ 9000atk - May 24, 2011 03:48 AM (GMT)
Sucks for America? How in any possible way? Look, they did well enough with the DM dub, I'll admit (except for some obvious flaws), but they just got worse as time went on.



Soooooo, I guess I'll ask the question that Janime-ers are all discussing right now: Which dubbing company would you like to see take over?

The debate over there is mainly between 3 major ones: FUNi, Viz, and, one I almost forgot did anime, Nelvana.


FUNi: Ah, the irony if they got to take over, since they were the other ones involved with the shady dealing. I think they're actually the LEAST likely. Yes, they fixed One Piece, but they're too tied into this now, and they still have their own mess with DBZK to clean up, if they haven't done so already.

Viz: I like these guys. Now, I know not too many of you guys like Naruto beyond me & Omega, but I do, and their dub of it is great. The funny thing is, although they seem to be the best in accurate translating in anime, that doesn't explain why their GX translations are so shitty.....

Nelvana: Hell, I know them more for the American cartoons I grew up with than anime, but they seem to excel at, given the anime dubs they're currently running, ones with major marketing attachments. What better for them than to take over the top of the food chain? They may not have hung on to Duel Masters, but from what I understand, it was no fault of their own, so this could be their second shot at the big time since they're working with something backed by a stronger company (and just one other company instead of two).


I know there are others, but those are the 3 most likely.


Oh, and the Anime News Network article has been updated with specifics. DAMN, that's a lot of money they were screwed out of.....

SearchmanDS - May 24, 2011 11:28 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (a-hole w/ 9000atk @ May 23 2011, 09:48 PM)
Sucks for America? How in any possible way? Look, they did well enough with the DM dub, I'll admit (except for some obvious flaws), but they just got worse as time went on.



Soooooo, I guess I'll ask the question that Janime-ers are all discussing right now: Which dubbing company would you like to see take over?

The debate over there is mainly between 3 major ones: FUNi, Viz, and, one I almost forgot did anime, Nelvana.


FUNi: Ah, the irony if they got to take over, since they were the other ones involved with the shady dealing. I think they're actually the LEAST likely. Yes, they fixed One Piece, but they're too tied into this now, and they still have their own mess with DBZK to clean up, if they haven't done so already.

Viz: I like these guys. Now, I know not too many of you guys like Naruto beyond me & Omega, but I do, and their dub of it is great. The funny thing is, although they seem to be the best in accurate translating in anime, that doesn't explain why their GX translations are so shitty.....

Nelvana: Hell, I know them more for the American cartoons I grew up with than anime, but they seem to excel at, given the anime dubs they're currently running, ones with major marketing attachments. What better for them than to take over the top of the food chain? They may not have hung on to Duel Masters, but from what I understand, it was no fault of their own, so this could be their second shot at the big time since they're working with something backed by a stronger company (and just one other company instead of two).


I know there are others, but those are the 3 most likely.


Oh, and the Anime News Network article has been updated with specifics. DAMN, that's a lot of money they were screwed out of.....

Either Funi or Viz would be good. I favor Viz slightly more since they have access to BangZoom and Blue Water Studios for dubbing. I'd hope they'd be able to retroactive license 5D's so it could get a proper dub. But, holy hell, NELVANA STILL EXISTS!?

a-hole w/ 9000atk - May 24, 2011 02:51 PM (GMT)
Yeah, they're still around; they have Bakugan & the new Beyblade under their wing, I think. Which is why I think ZeXal would be perfect for them, as it's more in their category than other YGO series.

But yeah, they've taken a serious backseat to everyone since the old days.....



Ah, so BangZoom is in cahoots with Viz?

a-hole w/ 9000atk - October 8, 2011 05:30 AM (GMT)
:shockedfoof: :penguin_1: :penguin_3: :penguin_12: :penguin_17: :penguin_22:

OH.
MY.
FUCKING.
EGYPTIAN.
GOD.
CARDS.



How in the fuck........I can't believe it.....

4Kids has pulled a Karma Houdini of immeasurable proportions.



Regardless of anything they may have done right (and there HAS been some instances, mind you), they still butchered 2 franchises in varying degrees (One Piece, and Mega Man (Rockman) .EXE) on top of the YGO butchering and their apparent shady practices; and yet.....well......they still have this franchise by the balls.

The only solace I can find in this is that ZeXal is so fucked up, 4Kids might actually make it BETTER. Ah, good ol' Mr. Irony strikes again.....



So, FOUR MORE YEARS OF 4KIDS, FOLKS........literally, as that's when their license ends.

a-hole w/ 9000atk - January 4, 2012 02:22 AM (GMT)
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU :penguin_8: :penguin_8: :penguin_8: :penguin_8: :penguin_8:

a-hole w/ 9000atk - May 12, 2012 06:25 PM (GMT)
Hallelujah; it's the beginning of the end of this continual pile of garbage. Here we thought we'd have 4 more years of dumb shit, but we lucked out.

Possibly.




In case you haven't heard, 4Kids has been selling off their stuff in a futile attempt to avoid completely going down the toilet. Including Yu-Gi-Oh.

Guess who's set the floor price for the YGO bid, and has already taken a large chunk of their stuff, including the CW programming block itself?

The company that both brought Digimon to the top AND ran it back down into the ground, of course.

Well, an affiliate of theirs, anyway, which is a hybrid of Nelvana, the formerly-known-as DiC, and some other European company, and was in turn bought by NBC Universal. Dunno where Saban fits into it, but they're involved, too.

The reason for the sudden sale of all this is apparently due to CW being owed $3 million bucks in contractual fees by them, or else they lose the block; guess they couldn't afford it anymore.



As far as how I feel about Saban itself/himself, well, they've had a track record of pissing off their employees. A looooooooot of Power Rangers actors got up & left due to various issues, and as far as Digimon, the only leash their dubbing group had (Jeff Nimoy) got fed up with the overuse of unnecessary comedy being shoehorned in, and basically said 'Fuck this shit; I'm outta here!', resulting in a noticeable lack of quality between the latter half of 02 / the entirety of Tamers and Frontier, when Saban lost it & Nimoy went to work for the guys who picked it up. In speaking of that, 02 was crap (do I have to explain Daisuke's character assassination?), and Tamers had a lot of unnecessary shit put in it - unfortunately, I never got to watch the entirety of that dub.

But, they did give us a lot of awesome stuff over the years, and, if their Digimon work has showed us anything, we can count on them to cut the 'Shadow Realm' crap once & for all. So, I have mixed feelings on this one; it could seriously go either way, here.







The irony is, last I checked, ain't Saban an Egyptian guy?

a-hole w/ 9000atk - May 28, 2012 01:44 AM (GMT)
Apparently, the KidsCo I looked up on Wiki, and the KidsCo attached to Saban are two entirely different companies, hence my earlier confusion. And, as far as Saban's Digimon foopahs, they were apparently a result of Fox Executive Meddling, and not Saban itself, which makes me feel a little better about them (and redirecting my frustration towards Fox).

With that out of the way, I give up on hoping for anything good out of this. Why? This, as explained by Ark in NAC's thread:


QUOTE (Ark)
Updates:
So I was wrong on Saban having everything but Yu-Gi-Oh!, the entire bundle is still for sale.

But:

QUOTE
The CW filed a limited "Objection to Motion for Order Authorizing and Approving Sale of all of Debtors Yu-Gi-Oh! Related Assets" saying the programming Saban says it will provide will meets The CW need. But if any other company wins the bidding and they don't think that company programming will meet their needs, they'll object to the sale.


QUOTE
in the event that Kidsco is not the winning bidder, Licensors [sic: Toei and TV-Tokyo] hereby reserve their rights to object to (i) any sale of the Assets


For simplicity's sake, if anyone OTHER than Saban wins, Toei, The CW and TV-Tokyo have the right to reject and refuse sale if the company who won cannot meet their demands Toei has to have someone who can handle Dragonball Z Kai's broadcast TV dub, TV-Tokyo to ensure we have a Yu-Gi-Oh! dub on the CW, and The CW says that whoever wins other than Saban must have enough children's programming that is acceptable for Standards and Practices' demands.

For simplicity's sake:
There's still going to be a shitty as fuck Yu-Gi-Oh! dub. It's contractually required.

Why?
- You must use the dub card and character names
- You must promise to air it at least on the CW
- You must edit it to fit the CW's Standards and Practices (No violence, death, or bad things.)
- Cards must be edited to avoid trouble from the FCC


AND THEY WONDER WHY PIRATED SUBS ARE SO POPULAR.

The anime is run by morons.

a-hole w/ 9000atk - June 16, 2012 08:16 AM (GMT)
Ok, so here's where shit gets interesting.

As it turned out, someone else threw their bid into the ring in addition to Saban.

The kicker?

It was KONAMI.

No, you ain't readin' that wrong. Konami threw in a bid. Now, granted, they've dubbed plenty of games before, so it's not like they don't know how to dub something; it's just that no one ever expected to throw in a bid when they've never done an anime dub before.


So, what happened?


Saban & Konami got together, and came up with a deal: Saban takes the CW block & a few shows, and Konami gets not just Yu-Gi-Oh......

......BUT 4KIDS HEADQUARTERS ITSELF.

In other words, Konami has just euthanized 4Kids - at least in the anime business.



So, basically, Saban gets to attempt Fox Kids Second Coming after many years, and Konami has a middleman-less monopoly on Yu-Gi-Oh & gets to air the series on said Second Coming. It's the most interesting, unexpected outcome possible.

Discuss your new Konami/Saban joint overlords.

Shinobi Phoenix - June 22, 2012 08:53 PM (GMT)
Can you post links to these news stories, that is definitely interesting and I would have taken it as rumor except you are stating it as fact, so I really want to read this.

a-hole w/ 9000atk - June 22, 2012 09:23 PM (GMT)
Oh it be the truth, all right.

Here's the legal mumbojumbo version of it.

Shinobi Phoenix - June 22, 2012 09:36 PM (GMT)
Shriek already linked me to this version:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-...r-proposed-deal


But... WOW..................


They even get the offices?!


But .... wow...

This could mean they could STOP using horrible dub names.

This could mean they could use the REAL songs and music since they have the rights for the music.


Who would they hire for actors?!! The original actors under 4Kids employ? They could hire someone else to replace them as they saw fit.

a-hole w/ 9000atk - June 22, 2012 10:29 PM (GMT)
According to Ark, unfortunately, stupid dub names won't stop, as those stupid names are actually NAS' idea.

As far as the OST goes, I dunno'; that might still be possible, given Konami's connected to NAS with this franchise anyway, and wouldn't need to pay, possibly.

As far as the VA's, well, since they have their office, it'd all depend on whether or not they can go for cheaper with their current acting pool.

a-hole w/ 9000atk - June 27, 2012 08:54 PM (GMT)
Courtesy of Ark, in the thread at NAC; dunno the source:

QUOTE (Ark)
1. Saban and 4kids have be talking since January 6th, 2012.

2. Konami and Saban are now officially bidding as part of a double bid by both companies together to acquire 4kids' assets. Certain licensing and broadcasting details and agreements are now to be held jointly by the companies.

3. All dealings will be consummated on July 15th, 2012 at the Los Angeles offices of Morrison & Foerster, who I believe are Konami's lawyers for this bid (and for the counterfeiting lawsuit with regards to Upper Deck Entertainment)

4. 4kids will be paid 15 Million Dollars by Konami & Saban should the deal close.

5. Chaotic's broadcast rights are still on the table.

6. Konami entered bidding talks with this shtick in may with CW, asking for certain modifications. The CW basically was leery since they much much prefered dealing with Saban.

7. Because The CW was so testy over Konami approaching, and the lock-stock-barrel of the CW's demands with regards to the bid, 4kids doubted Konami would ever place a bid.

8. 4kids, doubting the bids and auctions due to this, suggested offering splitting the sales between the Yu-Gi-Oh! (which it believed Konami wanted for its card game) and the block for Saban, and that the two license out a portion of time for Yu-Gi-Oh!

9. Yu-Gi-Oh! MUST air on The CW Saturday morning kids block until the end of the 2015-2016 broadcast year, as according to deals made between Konami and Saban. So yes, expect the same ludicrous edits as before, gaiz.

10. 4kids now only has 60 Employees. As a part of this joint bid, Konami wants to retain 30 of the employees for their own purposes, and Saban 6 of them. So those who feel bad for the employees losing their jobs, at least 7/10ths of the staff remaining will still potentially have jobs. That said, anyone who agrees to take up a job at Konami or Saban will have to waive any and all Severance pay from 4kids.

a-hole w/ 9000atk - July 3, 2012 09:00 PM (GMT)

a-hole w/ 9000atk - July 12, 2012 08:39 PM (GMT)




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