Mostly I'm making this thread as a convenience to some friend/members.

However, it's not like there's aren't Kiva fans on DMC (quite a few actually and you know who you are), so this works for you too.

Watched Episode 24. Revealed some stuff to me that is shocking, but with new facts coming to life, Kiva attains the new form, a new name 'Emperor'. It's Finisher- Emperor Moon Break is merely a Drop Kick with the energy wings attached to Kiva's legs attacking the target while the target is kicked.

And this form too will be in the King of Hell Castle movie. Although this form is good, I WANNA SEE ARC!!!

hold your ass D< you can wait to see the giant rider soon enough

i was pretty happy to see that Emperor Form came out before the movie, it seems pretty awesome looking, though it would've been cooler if Wataru actually used the power his mother gave him(changing day to night i mean)

T~T argh, i can see it now, Mio is a descendant of Queen, Tatsulot is an annoying little dragon that makes too much noise >.<(thank god he doesn't talk while kivas in emperor form....much) and where the fucked did Shizuka go to?!

Shizuka will be around ep. 25.

And a new chess piece will appear by then.

I expected the Tatsulot to be annoying- Akira Ishida is the voice actor of Bae of Gekiranger, amongst others.

ugh, well in any other case, as far as we know, Queen likes Otoya(because of his awesome ability to rationalize with fangire *cough omura* i mean it's pretty obvious that Queen is Wataru's mother....but i'm starting to think that Mio is infact Queen without recollection of who she really was*cough!!Rook*

but then again she could also be possessed by Queen/Watarus relative of some sort(sister or otherwise) though i hope not, because they make a great couple

SUPERNOVA!!!

Emperor Form's theme song!!! (FULL SONG, NO PV). Enjoy!

So... Kiva 28 went up on TV-Nihon like last night or today. It was crazy, very much so.


And I was proven correct on one thing and shocked by something else:

1986:

Then later in 2008:












QUEEN IS WATARU'S MOTHER!!!

And Nago is in love with her and this means that Queen and Otoya do in fact do the nasty. Maybe Otoya cheats on Yuri, maybe that's makes them break up. Or maybe they break up and then he goes after Maya/Queen86?

I still want to know who Megumi's father is, since Yuri has to live long enough to give birth to her.


Plus to be honest, I would have been happy also if Maya/Queen turned out to be Nago's mother, then he would be half-Fangire and end up having to go "What...? Now I must return my own life to God?!" That would have been perfect for that prick.

never would've guessed... even though it was probably hinted during episode....whatever the one where otoya went all"holy crap, love at first sight" mode

either way, it's still interesting

Rook is dead, Mio has attacked Wataru.

Saga AKA The King will finally appear this coming sunday.

Something's gonna happen good or bad... Hopefully the either of the lovebirds DO NOT die...

well considering that the mio was able to beat Kiva(hopefully still in empire form because if not, then it's just a joke!) then that shos the level of power she has....and now i just wonder if anyone is going to take rooks place as...well...rook!

There is a love triangle up front and the King of Checkmate 4 appears. Wataru speaks anger in the next episode, while the King erases a traitor to their race.

What shall be of Wataru and Mio?

Just saw Kiva 31 subbed. All I have to say is this: BEST EPISODE IN THE SERIES TO DATE!

I loved it too. Nago should do the IXA Judgment- the Megumi way.

Ep. 33 is where hearts are broken, loyalties are broken and the king is awakened, breaking a traitor to all of the Fangires.

What shall happen next?!

yosh! Saga is revealed to us!!, a fencing type rider seems different though( since as far as i remember most riders that used swords weren't fencing types....besides Sasword(can't remember his off the top of my head)

also about the movie...i think we find out what Wataru's Fangire form is!! and though wikipedia brings up something like it being called "Emperor Bat" i'm going to wait >o> because i don't believe wiki sometimes

anyway!! surprise! Maya isn't dead yet and O.O she's missing an eye!! D< i have a feeling of who Dark Kiva is >o>

Mio meets old Maya w/ Eyepatch, Kengo becomes a jock, Taiga just LOVES his job, and WTF- a party for Wataru's breakup with Mio?! OMG...

Roots of the KING seems nice. Expect it November 12.

Oi! he also loves Mio and...probably Wataru in a brotherly fashion *nods*

also how is Nago being a jock? maybe a Jack but nothing close to a jock

and Dx MAYA-SAMA!!! NOOOO!! Dx her beautiful face tarnished by a simple piece of eye fabric...grr whoever hurt her >x>

Omega, it's Kengo, not Nago. Kengo- the rocker Wataru met and became friends with episodes ago? The joyful guy turned Army Tough Guy recently?

....eh hehe i misread that ^^;; sorry

A bit off topic, here, but is it jut me, or doe Jiro's Garuru form look awfully like Grand Duke Org Loki/Zen-Aku? For some reason, the two outfits just scream to me "THIS WAS REUSED!!!", especially the horn on both costume's forehead. Not that I don't mind, but I just can't help but think they reused Loki's costume for Jiro.

Side by side comparsion of the two. The only similarity is the fact they both have a horn. Loki is more a guy wearing a wolf mask in body armor, while Jiro is actually in a werewolf costume.

They still look really similar to me; just remove the cloak bottom of Loki, stylize the chest and shoulders a bit more (and give him those thigh guards), and paint it all blue. Voila! Instant Jiro! And really, it's not like it wouldn't be that hard to imagine both costumes being the same one, just retouched; from what I remember, toku shows love to recycle old costumes and costume parts for their new monster costumes, if they're in good enough condition.

....that's the only way that they would look similar, also Loki's face looks nothing like Garulu's, the legs are also much different, with actual texture then just being a pair of latex bottoms

actually in retrospect, they look nothing alike besides the fact that they're wolf based characters

*sighs* Does anyone agree with me that they look similar? I posted this up on another Sentai-only board, and they got on my case about it, too. Seriously, how do we NOT know that they're not the same costume, recycled? They reused the Beetleborg costumes for the baddies in Forever Red, they reused parts of old monster costumes for the Mut-Orgs in Wild Force, the monsters in Zyuranger were reused from Turboranger (would YOU be able to tell which Zyuranger monsters were made from which Turboranger monster costume?)... It's not like they haven't done this kind of thing before. And Toei DOES own both Super Sentai AND Kamen Rider.

All I'm saying is that, to someone who isn't so nitpicky and lavishly devoted to either show, they ARE similar enough for them to possibly be from the same costume. And if they're not, then tell me what they did with the Loki costume. I heard that one of the monsters in Boukenger was based on Loki, so if it wasn't converted to Jiro's Wolven form, then maybe it became that monster?

The enemies in Boukenger were based on mechs from previous series. Though, you're somewhat correct as Ouga was based on GaoHunter(Loki's mech).

Saga LOVES his job (I love Roots of the KING), Otoya completes the Bloody Rose and plays it for Maya, Wataru fixes broken Bloody Rose and gets help from Jiro, Kengo is now IXA's user (To prove it- he beats Nago up), Wataru unleashes his VERY full form (Also done in the Hell Castle movie against Arc's Legend Form), which Eyepatch Maya is now aware of and creeped out on. While being creeped out though, Eyepatch Maya now worries of Wataru.

Next Episode tells of friends unknowingly fighting each other and the appearance of a badass piece of the whole Checkmate Four. A new sword appears.

They got in your case, because it is nitpicky and you went all over creation trying to get someone to agree with you more than hear what was said. Knowing when to drop something would help.


If it looks similiar to you or someone, that fine, but you make it sound like it's so special or something never done (regardless of you claiming to acknowledge that fact, your actions speak of your intentions). Why make such a CSI case out of it like you'll solve some unique mystery if you win. Do you just want someone to agree so it can be a closed subject? Is that what it'll take?


Hell, Titanium Ranger was a Turboranger redone, and Magna Defender's PR henshin device was actually just the unused one from Dairanger since MMPR never switched costumes. Even Den-O, the most popular Kamen Rider series since Black RX (Den-O is so popular that it has OVAs just for the Taros and 3 movies to all to itself, which no Rider has ever), recycled that damn Rabbit Imagin like 3 times.

For that matter, it's not like American shows haven't recycled ever. "Hanging with Mr. Cooper" used the exact same set as legendary sitcom "Growing Pains" for a time before it was changed around to stop people from going "Hey, isn't that the couch from Growing Pains?" Even spin-offs count as a form of recycling. Hollywood has proven itself to borrow sets and pieces from older movies or older ideas.

Why make a fuss (and it is a fuss by now)? Would you even care except that it's yet another beast? Is there any other recycling you've put this much energy into looking out for, honestly?

Shinobi, you're missing the point. The point is that these guys automatically discredited the idea that they could be the same costume recycled on the sole premise that they look too dissimilar, despite both shows being notorious for recycling old props (like you just proved). Again, I have to ask, would even the most hardcore Sentai fan be able to tell which Turboranger monster became which Zyuranger monster when they're compared side by side? I doubt it, depending on how heavily the costumes were modified.

For instance, take the Machine King Remnant generals in "Forever Red"; it was obvious that they were just recycled Beetleborgs costumes, because there was so little of the costumes changed. On the other hand, how would you have guessed without anyone telling you that the Mut-Orgs were a mishmash of parts from previous Power Ranger monster costumes, let alone be able to tell from WHICH monster each of the parts came from?

There's just no explanation that these guys are giving me on why my theory that Loki and Jiro may be the same costume revamped is wrong other than "They're different, moron, anyone can see that!" I'm not saying that they're wrong, I'm just saying, HOW do they know? That, and they assume that my only basis of comparison between the two is that they're based on wolves and they have horns on their heads. That's not true; the first thing that caught my eye about them was that the shape of the head and the details on the chest of both characters looked fairly similar to one-another, almost like they took the Loki costume and added some more foam to it to make it look more organic and less like armor. Just cut off the trenchcoat part on the bottom, add in some new stylized arm and leg armor, and paint the whole thing blue, and there you go, Jiro.

All I'm asking them is how they know the two costumes are totally different; all they needed to do was say what happened to the Loki costume, and that would've been the end of that. Instead, they just called me stupid for not being observant enough and left it at that. If they really were that big of fans of the show, then they would've been up to date on the condition of those costumes (and, considering it's THE premier English-speaking Toku board on the internet with people actually SELLING the kind of props and costumes we're arguing over, that seems very likely). I just want to know why they look so similar, that's all, whether it be from a recycled costume or merely something that Toei likes to do with all their werewolf-based characters.

Speaking of which, I noticed that most of those characters DO have a horn on their head. Any reason why? Is it just creative license, or is there some sort of mythological basis for it? I know that in-story, Loki's horn shows him to be a Duke Org, and that wolf baddie in Boukenger was based on the Predazord when Loki was in control of it, but that doesn't explain why Jiro's Garuru form has one, or why - if all of these wolf characters have one - GekiWolf's werewolf form DOESN'T.

Call it nitpicky, but then again, I'm the kind of person to notice and question little nagging inconsistencies like that (don't EVER get me started on Aisynia being alive in SPD, or what happened to Lord Zedd, or why the packages for the Jungle Fury merchandise doesn't have a blurb for the show's storyline on them like all of the other Ranger merchandise does...)

hmm well maybe it has something to do with bringing things up that only bothers you because you see the need to try to answer questions that are, in basis all just rhetorical and thus answer themselves

what happene to zedd? he was returned to a good human and now lives with rita in...some strange planet. why does the jungle fury merchandise not hae anything on the merchandise that relates to the show? because they're being lazy and seem to not need to actually add it on the box....

about gekivoilets werewolf form... not all wolf-based characters will have horns on their heads, remember garulu isn't really a werewolf, he's a demon that bears the form of a wolf, most likely formed more like a hellhound then a werewolf but still resembles a werewolf because of the way he transforms...atleast that one time. Gekivoilet is an actual werewolf that changes his form to that of an actual beastman that bears the same jyuuken spirit that violet uses because he used a secret ringi that transforms him into a werewolf during certain periods of times...

anyway....thanks for pushing me int o bringing that up...but anyway

there isn't any proof that Toei recycled the loki outfit to create Garulu as Garulu would still have remnants of Loki lingering on his azure-furred body, which he doesn't. Everything you say is speculation that Toei re-used Loki to create Garulu...and while I will not agree to this, it may be a possibility that Loki could have been a basis for Garulu's form, but is in no way recycled....example

Loki's armor is more...squarish and, as Shinobi said, looks more like a man wearing armor then a beast on two legs

Garulu's body has much more detail, as the maw is a tad shorter then Loki's, the shoulders, body and legs have much more detail, almost too much to just be foam on latex, the teeth are much more pronounced and much larger then Loki's, I'm not going to say anything about the hair because...well it's irrelevant to the case at hand, the legs actually look more rubber then latex to be honest

and that's just my diagnosis on the matter, please read thoroughly

I meant what happened to Lord Zedd after Countdown to Destruction, since he's not mentioned when Rita shows up as the Mystic Mother in Mystic Force, or by his own son Frax when he showed up in Operation Overdrive. I read there was something in the anniversary edition of the latest Power Rangers game that covered it, but I doubt it's canon.

As for the Jiro/Loki costume, we just don't know which way it went without knowing what happened to the Loki costume. It's just...why are they so similar if they're not the same costume? I haven't been given any real answer to that, yet.

uh huh...well anyway let's just push that argument out of the way for now

i wonder why Maya is so sad that Wataru has invoked his fangire nature and thus, flight style(or the emperor bat)...it's almost as if she assumes that he's going to take the same route that whoever Dark Kiva was took

personally i would be happy that Wataru has become stronger because it means that he's found both the desire that his father had and the power of his origins ....and soon a new member of his chibi monster family....i also wonder where Goldy sleeps ...or if he ever sleeps....the hyper-active flying lizard

Avex site for Kiva music

Roots of the KING preview is in he front page of the site. Love it.

Review of episode maybe tomorrow or monday.

Now that's a theme for an evil Rider. ARGH, no full version till the 12 of the November :penguin_9:.

08- Kiva and Saga fight, but the fight ended with no one dying. Sadly, when Wataru comes to Mio, she admits her love for the formerly-shyboy, which Taiga saw, and began to cry about.

Nago prays why IXA was taken from him, unveiling something funny.

Kengo wants Mio, to which he wants to beat Taiga for 'protecting' her and punching Wataru.

The 3 Arms monsters try to pull out the sword in the wall in vain. Jiro asks help from Wataru, but the sword stays.

86- Otoya plays for Maya in a restaurant, then Yuri beats up a fangire to vent out. After that, the 86 King appears with the Imperial Blade

Next Episode (Triangle: Behead the King) will awaken the Imperial Blade, and hopefully will not 'Behead' the King.

Hopefully, a cooler voice actor can fill in Zanbat.

ahh yes, zanbat....just needs the O at the end and he'll be zanbato >x> ...even though he slays fangire....and not horses

'85 King/Dark Kiva(supposedly) finally appears and looks as if he should be in malice mizer or moi dix mois ....i mean, (jokingly) i'd go gay for king >x>, i just wonder if he'll actually have a name that we can properly call him besides 'king' because, though it's more respectful to call him king, it just feels strange to call him that...as calling him 'king' reminds me of another 'king' from a certain anime series...but he doesn't seem like he'd be the type to be a douche

also i'm wondering which of the two has the surname of nobori, i'm guessing king....most definitely king

also i've noticed that no one is using their almighty night-to-day changing ability, besides saga....actually i guess it's only exclusive to maya, moi, wataru, taiga and ....'86 king or...Mr. Nobori i suppose...

also i guess that this disproves Otoya being Dark Kive, doesn't it?(then again i could be wrong because the idiots on wikipedia like to just throw those random things out )

86- Yuri vents some more, which leads to stealing IXA, weakened by its prototype flaw, then saved by Maya as Yuri is about to die at the hands of the Rat Fangire. The rat kaijin swears revenge due to the Queen's order to not kill her. The Imperial blade was thrown to the wall by a outraged King, knowing about Maya's relationship with Otoya

08- Taiga is no longer friends with Wataru, Wataru defends Mio in vain, but Taiga saves Mio from them. Wataru now pulls off the Zanbat Sword from the wall, awakening his Fangire heritage at a cost, thus the 3 Arms Monsters (Jiro, Ramon and Riki) combined into Zanbat the Bat to control the blade's power. Kiva comes into field while Saga defends Mio from the multiplied Rat Fangires. After destroying the Rats, Kiva and Saga fight, then Mio comes in, shifts to her Fangire form to eliminate Kiva, but after she fires her pearls, the battle is over. Wataru, Mio and Taiga now know of each other's true forms after they all shifted back to their human forms.

NEXT EPISODE: Some of the Fangires that were fought in the past episodes come back, Kengo proves his worth as IXA, and the King and Kivat the 2nd transforms into the threat of humanity.

wow.... i wonder if Zanvat is going to have part of the three arms monsters' persona's ....also wonder if they'll ever split from being zanvat to the arms monsters again....guess we'll just have to wait and see i guess

also that was pretty interesting, makes me wonder how wataru would fight without zanvat...actualy that probably isn't a good idea >x> probbaly just end up being dark kiva all over again

and lastly, damnit, wataru reminds me too much of inuyasha....except his teeth and nails don't grow out and his eyes don't glow red...well they grow green for a moment or two but still, that doesn't change anything

I'm not saying it leads to anything, this is just an observation.


Anyone else think it's strange that Wataru looks like 1986-King and Taiga actually looks more like Otoya.







It would be tragically funny if it turned out Taiga was the half-human with Otoya and Wataru was actually King's son complete with inheriting Kiva directly. Just Wataru was told he was Otoya's son to keep him from becoming the new Dark Kiva and resuming King's quest to DESTROY HUMANITY.

Just think about it.

Maya has the child with Otoya, it actually Taiga, but to protect both children, they switch them. Taiga becomes a red herring and is under the protection of the Fangire Court while Wataru (King's true son and inheritor of the Dark Kiva) is kept secret and safe with Otoya and when he died, he planned to have the Arms Monsters protect and guard Wataru and help him manage his powers to keep him from turning Dark Kiva also while having him (ironically) fight the Fangires to protect humanity (vs. his original destiny of destroying it).

Jirou keeps saying he promised Otoya he would protect Wataru. What was so major that Jirou would even have accepted that promise?


Just a scenario. Not saying that is the case or will be, but it would be funny if it was.

well for one, it's been known that taiga is infact a full-blooded fangire(as stated in the show) so taiga and wataru, though technically being half brothers born from the same mother, would be impossible for wataru to be a full blooded fangire since...well i supose that since he's only half-blooded it would be the reason why he turned into a berserk inuyasha(just noticed the eyes were the same). also, king himself stated that taiga was his son so there isn't any way for maya to do the strange swap between the two

anyway i highly doubt that wataru would become the second dark kiva because he values human life and would do anything to protect someone, fangire, human or whatever...though if zanvat was to be relinquished from the zanvat sword then...well i guess he'd just go berserk(but not the 'i want to destroy all life' berserk...just berserk)

and fianlly, the reason Jiro desires to protect Wataru is because of his respect, experience and friendship(maybe?) with Otoya, and wishes to help Wataru cotninue his fathers legacy and to become stronger for both himself as the sone of Otoya Kurenai, the ladies man and gtreatest violinist of his time, but also as Kiva...which i would also think that the arms monsters are merely using Wataru as a conduit for their own vengeance

Stated by producers or said on the show? If you mean ONLY on the show within the context of the story, then it holds no water because anyone could just say that because they don't know otherwise and others could just be lying (Maya especially).

If your husband was the all-powerful Fangire King and he found out you had an affair with a human that lead to a child, wouldn't you lie? The King can say it's his child all he wants; he doesn't know any better if the woman is lying to his face and he had no reason to doubt her outright. How many times in real life is the guy determined in thinking the child is his and then they go on Maury and hear "You are not the father."



There's a difference. Even Bishop didn't know Wataru was Maya's other son. I mean my point is Maya could easily lie to protect Taiga's true identity. Also, I think Jirou is hiding plenty more than he's letting on. He's practically the hero side's Bishop only he seems to actually know even more and admit to even less.



And of course, Wataru values human life, he was raised with them. Maya tried to have Taiga respect humans too and that failed being raised around King, especially finding out his own mother had an affair with a human.


BTW-- If Zanbat Imperial Sword is proof of the true King and the bloodline, why is Wataru capable of pulling and using it? Having only the Queen's blood shouldn't allow that, right? Just saying the theory is sound and possible whether it is the case or not.