Odd idea for a topic, mostly needed for research in other things as well as a good discussion.


OK so, last night I got to thinking about all the things that make dueling in the anime a completely different experience from playing in the real world and vice versa. The things that wouldn't be possible in one side or the other (as in things or cards that would never work as well on anime or real life as they do on the side you are referring to).

So what I'm talking about are the things Duelist in the anime always do or things people do in real life that don't happen in the anime. They never say why or it if it was a rule, they just act on it.

For example (just what I was thinking about last night):

-- Anime Duelists pretty much never check either other's Graveyards and barely their own. Always acting surprised when something comes from there. I only recall twice where checking the Graveyard was a point (as opposed to just remembering so you can use Monster Reborn). 5D's-Season1: Ushio checking Yusei's GY to see he used Slip Stream. GX-Season4: Yusuke uses Memory Snatcher against Fubuki, preventing him from checking GYs. I don't seem to remember people checking GYs very often in the first place.

-- Anime Duelists don't really show anything they've pulled from Deck unless the card required it, they just show that it was just that. This is opposed to real life where your opponent apparently has to do handprint analysis on it, check every card on their field and then when they feel they have been satisfied, gives it back to you. In the anime they MIGHT show it and when they do, it's for a half-second, just like in the video games. I think I prefer it that way.

-- Anime Duelists don't bother to check most of the time when a card is played or summoned. Usually someone will explain it or they just already know what it is even if it's a new card to us. Opposed to real life where AGAIN, your opponent has to check everything on his field the moment a card is played, ask to check and read your card and then 5 minutes later when he's sure he's fucked, he'll give it back and resume play.

-- Not sure about this one completely, but it seems like if a card wasn't released before it premieres in the anime, the main character (if he's not using it) will not be surprised by it and sometimes even know already what it does. If not, someone else will know already besides the guy who played it. Yet, if the card was released prior to anime premiere, the main character will be surprised and confused by it. People will even act like it's new or never normally seen before. Strange irony, but I could be wrong, I've just noticed it sometimes, but not always.


Much of this completely changes how people would react to a card and therefore, its usage. Especially since a lot of cards aren't so effective when you know it's coming or play something just because someone put it down on the field, even if it had nothing to do with that monster.


Basically, let's help define exactly what those real differences are. Also, please, no need to be overzealous. I don't think anyone's expecting a quick answer-to-all. I'm talking about the ones that were consistent through out the YGO trilogy itself. Also, I'm not talking about rules or cards that break mechanics of the game (IE: face-up Defense Position - which we know isn't legal in RL, or cards that had different effects in the anime).


So yeah, what else am I not seeing? What am I seeing that isn't there? What isn't as consistent as most or more consistent than most?

How about the fact that the Opponent usually goes ahead and starts his turn immediately following a strong move. Just because they get knocked down a peg on the LP meter, they subsconsciously will that the turn is done, and then make their Draw. IRL, they'd get clocked upside the head for jumping the gun like that, but in the Anime it's completely ignored, even though the following turn will usually put the protagonist into a precarious situation.

There does not seem to be a RFG zone at all and the duelists do odd things with cards that do get removed from the game like sticking them in there pocket.

As far as I recall, RFG'ed cards are always put in the Duelist's back pocket. You quite often see them fiddling with their right buttock briefly when a card of theirs is RFG'ed. However, what about the mysterious Fusion Deck? It's argued that Fusion Monsters are kept in the Main Deck (which is evidenced quite prominently in Ryo's Duel against Inukai, where he throws his Main Deck through the air and grabs Chimeratech Over Dragon from amongst those cards). However, if this is the case, then how come we never have an anime character facepalming at them having drawn a Fusion Monster from their Main Deck?

Also, in relation to one of Shinobi's points, does anyone remember Judai's first ever Duel against Johan at the start of Season 3? Everyone was ZOMFG'ing over the Gem Beasts, a mysterious series of cards which no-one knew anything of other than the name. Am I the only one who was a little confused at how, when Judai activated Aqua Dolphin's effect, he somehow knew that Johan's Ruby Carbuncle had 300 ATK (because he declared to 'destroy the 300 ATK monster' in Johan's hand), despite the fact that the Gem Beasts were a series of one-of-a-kind cards that Judai and co. had never encountered before, coupled with the fact that Judai and Johan were standing, what... 20-25 feet apart? Do Judai's eyes have a zoom function or something?

I hadn't thought of that at all, but I'm totally with you on that, especially because I know the perfect example. It was recent too.

Episode 2 of 5D's:
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Before:
Yusei's Turn, but focus is on Jack for this. Yusei was about to attack and Jack was goading him. LOOK AT JACK'S HAND. There's 2 cards in his hand right now before Yusei's attack.


After:
Yusei has attacked and as we already know, Junk Warrior is struck by old fashion Shadow Spell. What's important here is his hand and this exact moment. He's calling Mad Daemon to attack, but WAIT A MINUTE? When did Yusei's turn end? Moreso, count Jack's hand again. IT'S STILL TWO!!! Last I checked Shadow Spell didn't force monsters to battle and it stopped Junk Warrior from coming in to attack anyway so it never engaged Mad Daemon. Add that to the fact he still has two cards in his hand, which means he didn't even DRAW, just went straight for the attack win.

So that means one of 3 things:

- Jack somehow attacked on Yusei's turn.
- Jack skipped the rest of Yusei's turn AND his own Draw Phase, and went straight to Battle.
- Jack skipped the rest of Yusei's turn AND is so arrogant that he didn't even bother to draw a card regardless and went straight to Battle.

WTF?!!!

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I feel you, too. But unlike the point Eagle brought up, I never even considered this one before. I actually started to at least look at some of the previous 5D's episodes to see if you even see them handle the Synchro or Fusion Monster cards, let alone where the Extra Deck is.

Seems you only see Yusei handle a Synchro during the commercial eyecatch (holding Junk Warrior of course). Jack has already been shown playing with his deck in his room and Red Daemon's Dragon is pulled out of it regularly, but I don't remember seeing him even get it when he Synchro Summoned him. Especially with 5D's, it's weird because everyone has their card locations in different areas. Such as the Graveyard, where Yusei and Jack's are on their left wrists with their Deck and hand holder (Jack's in a different place), but Ushio's is on his D-Wheel.



On the same topic:

Goyou Guardian mixed into the rest of the deck. (Off-Topic: Notice it's Ultra Rare in the anime too).


Jack slipping Stardust Dragon into his Deck and we know in later episodes when playing with his deck in his room, he turned Red Daemon's out of it as well.


If this is the case, Judai must have been a top-decking fool with all the E*Hero Fusions he had.

Where the hell is the Extra Deck?

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And just to drive something else home:



Yep, he is putting them right in his back pocket. Amazing what technology can do. Gives special effects and holograms for putting things in the back pocket of your denim jeans and khakis.

Anyone notice how Traps remember things that trigger their effects BEFORE they were activated, like when Jack Used Stargate, or when Johan used Rainbow Life against Kaiser? That's always bugged me, since gate remembered the battles, and Rainbow remembered the LP damage and restored it.

I just remembered something else that was sort of unusual. These cards are actual paper-thin technological wonders, right? Then why is it that, when a Card is Returned to its Owner's Hand, it magically appears back in said hand with a quick rectangular flash? This is seen SEVERAL times in the series, though the most notable to my mind is Raphael's DeathScythe. It magically dissolved the cards in Raphael's Hand. Weird...

Outisde of that, the Extra Deck seems to be the Deck itself, but the Fusion Deck has hopped all over creation. I mean, originally, it didn't even exist! In the Battle City Arc, they just fuse Monsters together. In GX, we see Judai holding his Fusion Monsters, but never see him place them in his Deck. Hellkaiser's duel against Inukai is about the only evidence we get of anything of this sort (unless you count the dub Jounouchi, "Summoning" Gilita D. Knight without Tribute. I'm pretty sure it was a Non-Effect Monster in the JP version, though).

Actually, this one is easy to explain.

Jack activated Shadow Spell during Yusei's turn, but during the Damage Step, just to decrease Yusei's monster's ATK, not negating the attack itself.

So, he said "finish him", because Anime use to show the counter-attacks like if they were turn attack themselves (do you remember Yubel's effect, for expample?)

Actually, there are some real life's Trap cards that remember things already happened in the duel, like Life-Absorbing Machine, that remembers how much life you paid, even if it is activated later.

I don't think they are like paper. They even have been put on water with not much damage. I think anime cards are more like plastic, much like credit cards.

Even, Kaiba stoped a gun from shoot with a card...

Also, maybe Duel Disks have some kind of teleporting device or something...and maybe THAT makes that they just don't search into the deck, and cards "pop" from the deck itself to be add to the hand.

So instead of using this teleportation technology Kaiba has developed for something like oh say teleporting people to the hospital when they become deathly ill and/or dying or some other huge advance for mankind...they use it for children's card games? My brain hurts.

I disagree.




Even the subs says it stopped the attack. Janime confirms this as well. In fact, he didn't even say anything about the drop in ATK.

Anime fucks around I say. Plus this isn't the first time this sort of thing has happens as Eagle was saying.


Besides who said all that damage step and rules crap even exist in the anime. They have used Soul Rope doing battle, something they insist on saying we can't do in real life if it's destroyed in battle.

LoL...

Nope. Most of fiction science says that living beings' teleport is very dangerous and should been only applied to non-living elements.

And stop calling it "childrens card game"...that's just annoying coming from (mostly) adult players =P

Anime never has shown this as a "just for children" game, applying to kids only...it SHOWS that many of the most reconogized players are in fact adults.

The fact that children play a game doesn't make the game only for children. It's like the typical adult closed mind:

- "Look at that, 8 years-aged boys playing basketball". "Yes, they are playing".
- "Look at that, 30 years-aged men playing basketball". "Yes, they are practicing a sport".

Do you understand my point?

Watch moar Yu-Gi-Oh abridged.

Teleporting people isn't good idea, but still using the technology around people is fine? What if it malfunctions one day and oh say teleports someone's body part away.

"I return (insert card) from the field to my dec-OH MY GOD! MY HAND IT TOOK MY HAND!"

It's all fun and games until someones hand is teleported to another location (dimension?).

Another thing.

In the anime and mangas, battle replays if they happen at all, are very rare. Pure example would be GX Manga Chapter 1. Normally, using something like Another Fusion would count as a replay, but Cyber Dinosaur got owned anyway.

I thought of something else strange.


Ever notice when ever a person search their deck to pull out a card directly, the cards in their hand disappear?

Basically:
- You only have two hands. Normally one is holding your hand and the other you keep free to draw and place cards.
- You activate a card that requires you to search through your deck for a card.

Now here's where it gets strange. They always pick up the whole deck and spread it open with their right hand and remove the desired card with the left (though that can easily be reversed).

So... what happened to the other cards in their hand? Sometimes, they have them but most times they don't. So where's this 3rd phantom hand that all duelist apparently have just for Dueling?


I guess on top of solid light holograms and teleportation, Kaiba developed psychokinesis just for Dueling purposes.

Maybe they switch it to a clip on the underside of the deck holder (or the duel disk itself), or do some really fancy palming.

Something new occurred to me, mostly brought up by the CAC Tournament, and I noticed it applies to real llfe, but never in the anime.


- Contents of a anime Duelist's deck is NEVER fully revealed or known to any amount of people at any given time. (spiritual extension of never reading cards during an anime duel)

Vs. Real life where not only does everyone and their mother knows the ENTIRETY of your deck, you have to register it... AND as usual, when people know what you have, they adjust their own decks accordingly (very definition of a "metagame"). I find that BORING.


Now imagine how different things would be if NO ONE knew what you had, or you could change and throw people off, even if you were well known. Side-decks would be better planned and based more on handling your weakness, netdecking would be a thing of the past, and duels would be far more interesting with so many surprises. Never knowing what a Duelist was planning or going to pull on you (unless it was too obvious). I would welcome that.


Remember, in almost EVERY game, especially RPG, you don't know much of what is coming and it is far more of a challenge and a test of your skill. Some people utterly refuse to look at strategy guides or FAQs, because that prior knowledge makes things easier, often TOO easy. Some won't even read instruction booklets, but that takes things to an extreme. In YGO games (especially EX games), you have NO CLUE what a duelist AI will run until A: you already dueled them or B: you looked ahead on an FAQ and someone else still had to go in blind to make that FAQ. Just saying.

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Also:

- In anime, no one cuts their deck or someone else's deck. in fact, the most they do is shuffle using the auto-shuffler in their Duel Disk.

To be honest, I don't trust most people to cut, especially after I not only witnessed people at tournaments fucking with people's decks when they cut them, but i heard people DISCUSSING HOW DO TO IT. The reverse is people "fixing" their own decks when they cut and shuffle them, more so with the cut.

I can see why they make people register the deck, there's no honor at tournaments, let alone honor system. I don't agree with your deck being revealed publicly AFTER you register.

Duelist Kingdom, Yugi vs Pegasus. That's like the ONLY instance in the entire show of a Duelist cutting their deck, but that was before Duel disks. And level limits for that matter...

During Battle City, Odion (Rishid) and Joey (Jonouchi) shuffled their opponents deck.

But compared to the rest of the entire universe?

Especially since GX started the auto-shufflers thing.


We're still talking like over 90@ of the YGO universe never seen to be shuffling or cutting each other's Decks. And Odion was an asshole anyway.