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Posted by: haliman111 Aug 5 2009, 03:24 PM
I'm interested in attacking Ridleybank again this year. You can all say "Oh it's useless!" or "free brains!" However, it gives survivor an excuse to turn the tide on zombies, and plan a large scale attack on the heartland. Ridleybank.

For years I have seen humans go from balls to ball less, the zombies have begun to dominate the game, now it is time to reclaim that title back. For too long we have feared the zombie menace. Well I say NO MORE! We strike back, this Fifth of November we shall give the zombies something they will never forget, in one swift move we will reclaim Ridleybank from the zombie menace. I ask for your help, this task shall not be an easy one, people will die, zombies will rise, and in the end we will be able to look the zombies in the face and tell them WE WILL NOT GO QUIETLY INTO THE NIGHT WE SHALL NOT VANISH WITHOUT A FIGHT.

I'm posting this here to try to scope out who will be helping. My group will be attacking regardless of how many others join us.

The IRC is #5oN. Server: Nexuswar. Go there, and The Colonel or I will fill you in on what we're trying to do!

~H

Posted by: The Colonel Aug 5 2009, 03:33 PM
for the record i wrote 1/2 his little speech hes too lazy to do his own

and you will be speaking with me on the IRC

Posted by: Misanthropy Aug 5 2009, 03:42 PM
Zombies control the game? Since when? stuffs and giggles might be had though.

Posted by: haliman111 Aug 5 2009, 03:52 PM
QUOTE (Misanthropy @ Aug 5 2009, 03:42 PM)
Zombies control the game? Since when? stuffs and giggles might be had though.

It means whenever they feel like taking something, they do it. Let's go and take something back.

Posted by: Crotch of Tamerlane Aug 5 2009, 03:53 PM
...

Subotei is gonna eat the hell out of you.

Posted by: Matson Jade Aug 5 2009, 04:08 PM
Zombies win the game because there's no such thing as a zombie noob - most of the trenchcoaters and chumps you see play as human exclusively, so the reason you see the zombies dominate is because to be a career zombie is to already be a competent and intelligent player.

Posted by: Misanthropy Aug 5 2009, 05:07 PM
QUOTE (Matson Jade @ Aug 5 2009, 04:08 PM)
Zombies win the game because there's no such thing as a zombie noob - most of the trenchcoaters and chumps you see play as human exclusively, so the reason you see the zombies dominate is because to be a career zombie is to already be a competent and intelligent player.

It's more to do with it being easier to jerk up if you're a human, zombies can literally stand up and brush themselves off a lot easier, so new zombie players are punished less by the game for their mistakes.

Posted by: Thanos Aug 5 2009, 05:15 PM
Well I'm all infavor of something like this but.... Nice giving them advanced notice.

Posted by: Vilien Aug 5 2009, 05:16 PM
Looks like meat's back on the menu boys.

Posted by: Visible_One Aug 5 2009, 06:32 PM
What, again? You poor chumps sure are suckers for punishment...
Do something useful instead. You talk of taking back - well, how about taking back the parts of the city which would actually be livable, where ordinary survivors might actually GO?
Enough of this suicide charge nonsense. You want a Battle of Beersheba, not a Charge of the Light Brigade.

Posted by: Kamden Aug 5 2009, 06:44 PM
QUOTE (haliman111 @ Aug 5 2009, 01:24 PM)
I'm interested in attacking Ridleybank again this year. You can all say "Oh it's useless!" or "free brains!" However, it gives survivor an excuse to turn the tide on zombies, and plan a large scale attack on the heartland. Ridleybank.


What you should really say is, on the 5th of November, which will be proceeded by days of barricade strafing, survivors will repair and rebuild the Blackmore building, followed shortly thereafter by a strike by TA, and reruining of Blackmore. Again.

Pointless attack is pointless.


Posted by: Hal Jordan Aug 5 2009, 07:10 PM
I'll be sure to be there, putting bullets in you. Thanks for the notice.

Posted by: bigdaddy2 Aug 5 2009, 07:20 PM
QUOTE (Thanos @ Aug 5 2009, 03:15 PM)
Well I'm all infavor of something like this but.... Nice giving them advanced notice.

Giving them advanced notice of an annual event?

I would hope the RRF knows about the 5th of November by now.

Posted by: Misanthropy Aug 5 2009, 08:09 PM
QUOTE ("bigaddy2")

I would hope the RRF knows about the 5th of November by now.


I'm surprised there's anyone who doesn't know about my missus' birthday. Course, she doesn't play so it's not like your efforts are noticed.

Posted by: labine50 Aug 5 2009, 08:52 PM
Calling it right now. This is going to turn into "The Battle for Blackmore (#+1)" by the 8th of November.

Posted by: pakopako Aug 5 2009, 09:03 PM
Here's where my memory goes nutty and my internet connection flickers in and out.

Isn't it every time Ridleybank gets attacked, the zombies swarm somewhere else as well? Last time they attacked the south right? Before that, the east was hit. And before that the north was decimated...

Posted by: JWC Aug 5 2009, 09:12 PM
So Now the will attack the west?

I might have a Alt that can be free to attack if my main is not able to by that time. I enjoyed last November.

Posted by: The Colonel Aug 5 2009, 11:18 PM
What's this, none of you have balls to come out and play? Maybe Iscarot was right there are no more heroes. It shames me to say that, we weren't planning some typical trenchy madness like every year, I can't take anything seriously which is why I'm helping organize this, hopefully my lack of seriousness will make for an enjoyable time. The reason it is announced now so that we can coordinate with groups who actually have balls so far the only real people to agree were at one time enemies in game, that being Umbrella and UBCS. I mean common, 404 is playing naked twister right now with Feral Undead and your telling me none of you will ever come to Ridleybank. Dogs all of you, when faced with danger you tuck your tail between your legs and walk away.

Posted by: Kamden Aug 5 2009, 11:19 PM
QUOTE (labine50 @ Aug 5 2009, 06:52 PM)
Calling it right now. This is going to turn into "The Battle for Blackmore (#+1)" by the 8th of November.

It's going to be called that by the trenchcoaters who decide to follow through with this.

Posted by: Crotch of Tamerlane Aug 5 2009, 11:50 PM
QUOTE (Matson Jade @ Aug 5 2009, 04:08 PM)
Zombies win the game because there's no such thing as a zombie noob - most of the trenchcoaters and chumps you see play as human exclusively, so the reason you see the zombies dominate is because to be a career zombie is to already be a competent and intelligent player.

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It's more to do with it being easier to jerk up if you're a human, zombies can literally stand up and brush themselves off a lot easier, so new zombie players are punished less by the game for their mistakes.


I disagree with both of you, actually. Trenchcoaters are a minor factor, and... seriously? You ever try being a new zed? It sucks.

And that, I think, is the problem. Baby zombies have no fun unless they fall in with a good horde right away (Note to exceptions to this rule: I don't give a freg.). This leads to an imbalance of humans:zombies, which (presumably; could be he's just pulling things out of his ass) leads to Kevan trying to buff up the zombie side to try and get more people to play as zombies. Unfortunately, he just improves zombies that are already high-level, meaning that the original problem (baby zombies suck, creating number imbalances) is not addressed, and combat between high-level survivors and zeds is crap.

Another part is how communication is handled. Ironically, the limits on zombie speech may have actually helped their organization. With so few means of communication in-game, non-metagaming zombie players are naturally weeded out. In theory, at least.

Anyway, yeah, I hope November 5th gets big. Hope you get all the survivors you can. Hope every single DEMer shows up. Randoms, Fortress, Umbrella... hope you're all there. I need something to bring Subotei out of retirement. Some mass preaching might be just the thing, yeah?

Posted by: labine50 Aug 6 2009, 12:20 AM
QUOTE (The Colonel @ Aug 5 2009, 10:18 PM)
What's this, none of you have balls to come out and play? <snip>

I was at almost every major battle for Ridleybank and Blackmore in 2006. Believe me when I say it's pointless.

Posted by: haliman111 Aug 6 2009, 12:25 AM
QUOTE (labine50 @ Aug 6 2009, 12:20 AM)
I was at almost every major battle for Ridleybank and Blackmore in 2006. Believe me when I say it's pointless.

The what will you be doing November 5th? Restocking in a green burb?

Posted by: The Colonel Aug 6 2009, 12:35 AM
QUOTE (labine50 @ Aug 6 2009, 12:20 AM)
I was at almost every major battle for Ridleybank and Blackmore in 2006. Believe me when I say it's pointless.

I've been playing this game since 11/05
I was at Blackmoore when it was held and fell, i died a couple times back then



This isn't your typical Fifth of November it will be remembered i promise you that

Posted by: Hal Jordan Aug 6 2009, 05:05 AM
I'm bored already

Posted by: Revenant Aug 6 2009, 06:57 AM
QUOTE (Thanos @ Aug 5 2009, 05:15 PM)
Well I'm all infavor of something like this but.... Nice giving them advanced notice.

Trenchies always do something entirely pointless, self-congratulatory, and masturbatory involving Ridleybank for the 5th of November. No notice required.

Posted by: NemesisGod Aug 6 2009, 09:29 AM
Yeah! i am going to be there! to kill everybody!

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Like 5th November 2009:Kill all trenchies for free!!

Posted by: Paddy Dignam Aug 6 2009, 11:21 AM
Johnny hasn't seen this thread yet? Maybe he's laughing too hard to type anything?

Posted by: Ulfgard the Unmaker Aug 6 2009, 11:24 AM
Wow, alright. With so many points to address, where to start? I suppose I'll open by saying that while I sadly cannot quote siglines or images containted therein, I'd like to reference the signature of Visible One as seen on the first page of this thread. It reads, "It's about sending a message!" That is exactly right. He almost certainly did not mean this signature to apply to the 5th of November. However, the 5th is not just a welcome change of pace (no matter how welcome it is), but yes, it is to send a message that the survivor groups of Malton haven't laid down to die quite yet. We cannot afford to cower in an established suburb... We likely cannot hope to completely reclaim Ridleybank, even with every survivor in Malton among our ranks, but that doesn't mean the fight is not worth it.


This brings me to Kamden's comment:
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Pointless attack is pointless.


As long as survivors can continue to show that we can still defy the zombie hordes, it is not pointless. We may not "win" in terms of reclaiming land area. That is a pipedream. We can prove that we still have backbone, if nothing else. Why should the survivor groups of Malton bicker amongst ourselves when we can spit in the face of the zombie plague in their very capital??


I have to agree here. I'm glad someone else said it so I don't have to.
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QUOTE (Thanos @ Aug 5 2009, 03:15 PM)
Well I'm all infavor of something like this but.... Nice giving them advanced notice. 


Giving them advanced notice of an annual event?

I would hope the RRF knows about the 5th of November by now.



That said, I have to object to this statement:
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so far the only real people to agree were at one time enemies in game, that being Umbrella and UBCS.


My men signed on before Umbrella. I'd thank you to give us proper mention.


Now, at this point, since I seem to have covered all the points I meant to address, I hereby declare (for the 3rd or 4th time since last night) that the Imperium will march with UBCS on November the 5th. I am Lord General Militant Ulfgard the Unmaker, supreme authority of the Imperium. If any of you are going to use this thread to start trouble, I am a new leader and I have some slightly different policies than my predecessors. I will be more than happy to have a reasonable discussion with you elsewhere. I'm just keeping up with the business of the 5th here.

In closing, while I apologize for the obnoxiously long post (I thought it better than spamming shorter responses) I feel compelled to share with you all some wisdom expressed to me by a dear friend.

One of my men once made perhaps the most profound statement I have heard in all my years of playing Urban Dead. He said, "I think we ought to try it. What's the worst that could happen? We get slaughtered to a man, that's what. But what difference should that make? We can stand up and go get a revive somewhere. Death doesn't really matter in a world where you can stand up and get a needle stuck in you, as long as the player doesn't just up and quit the game." He's right, you know. What do we have to lose? Maybe a few suburbs get a bit trashy while the ever-vigilant defenders decrease the garrison for external operations. Okay, these can be retaken. "But there are dozens of zombies in most of the buildings!" Fine, get help to solve your problem. One group might not be able to do it alone, but co-operative retaking of a suburb can forge alliances infinitely stronger than two groups just saying, "Hey, there! Wanna be our allies?" who never support each other, and quite possibly end up warring over the same land in a nearly inevitable contestation of their claims.

So what are you waiting for?

Posted by: Vilien Aug 6 2009, 11:48 AM
What really annoys me about this concept is the way you people talk about non-participants "restocking in a green suburb". Everyone who participates in the 5th of November festivities knows that they simply aren't going to come out on top. Even if the X-th siege of Blackmore lasts a full week, eventually Ridleybank will fall. It's an inevitability. Attacking the homeland of such a well organized horde is not brave or ballsy, or even usefully symbolic. It is a massive waste of resources.

The biggest survivor groups are all going to be spending thousands of APs on a pointless endeavor. You know all those "green suburbs" you talk about? They don't really exist. Yes, there are a bunch of them. The simple fact is that the majority of suburbs are more or less tipping the favor of the zombie players. All of the time you're going to spend stocking up for the 5th, and re-barricading, and healing other players, and killing zombie players could be spent elsewhere. You could be doing this somewhere where it might actually have an effect.

I'll extend an invitation to you all. Resource buildings in Eastonwood don't stay unbreached for a period of longer than three days. Ever. The suburb is an active feeding ground for zombie players. But I can assure you that contributions from organized human groups in the way of securing the suburb could actually make it a safer place to stay the night. There is an entire string of suburbs in the West that are officially ghost towns. Places where survivor activity was once extremely high are now deserted. Go repair those suburbs. Bring them back to life.

Don't get offended when people call you a bunch of trenchie idiots for running off to defend Blackmore. No one cares about this next notch on your group's belt. Attempting to retake Ridleybank when you know that you will fail is as pointless as attacking zombies in the streets. Why don't you do something useful this 5th of November?

Posted by: Johnny Bass Aug 6 2009, 11:51 AM
QUOTE (Paddy Dignam @ Aug 6 2009, 11:21 AM)
Johnny hasn't seen this thread yet? Maybe he's laughing too hard to type anything?

After last year's level of absolute and complete fail, all I can do is sit here and head desk repeatedly until I give myself enough brain damage to make this seem like it is either funny or a good idea. No luck yet, but I'll gladly keep everyone updated as I continue.

Posted by: Misanthropy Aug 6 2009, 12:09 PM
QUOTE (Crotch of Tamerlane @ Aug 5 2009, 11:50 PM)

You ever try being a new zed? It sucks.

And that, I think, is the problem. Baby zombies have no fun unless they fall in with a good horde right away (Note to exceptions to this rule: I don't give a freg.). This leads to an imbalance of humans:zombies, which (presumably; could be he's just pulling things out of his ass) leads to Kevan trying to buff up the zombie side to try and get more people to play as zombies. Unfortunately, he just improves zombies that are already high-level, meaning that the original problem (baby zombies suck, creating number imbalances) is not addressed, and combat between high-level survivors and zeds is crap.

I've had a few low-level zeds (hell, some of my high-level survivors started off as baby zeds), and yeah, it's a slog, but taking a headshot early only slows you down, it doesn't force you to find, and wait for, a revive, possibly deal with an infection when you've got no idea what you're doing, and so on. It's boring, and it's slow, but it's not punishing.

Posted by: labine50 Aug 6 2009, 12:14 PM
QUOTE (haliman111 @ Aug 5 2009, 11:25 PM)
The what will you be doing November 5th? Restocking in a green burb?

As of right now I'm assisting a DEM division that was critically low on personnel. A couple days after I got here an MPD crew moved in as well. We're hoping to be able to get the suburb back on it's feet soon working closely with the locals; it's almost constantly been on the brink since it was first ravaged in a six week attack starting in mid-May.

I'll thank you kindly not to insinuate I'm doing nothing. wink.gif

Posted by: Ulfgard the Unmaker Aug 6 2009, 12:41 PM
QUOTE (Vilien @ Aug 6 2009, 11:48 AM)
I'll extend an invitation to you all. Resource buildings in Eastonwood don't stay unbreached for a period of longer than three days. Ever. The suburb is an active feeding ground for zombie players. But I can assure you that contributions from organized human groups in the way of securing the suburb could actually make it a safer place to stay the night.

The Imperium, for one, will march. There will be no question there. That said, after the 5th of November event, we will probably go check out this suburb. We've been bouncing around the West for a while. Believe me, we know what it's like. We'll head back afterwards. What's a few days going to obliterate that weeks and months havent already?

Talk about poor wording. Rather, we can easily concentrate on those areas both before and after. During the event, yes, things may well get worse, but these areas can always be retaken if it comes down to that.

Posted by: Vilien Aug 6 2009, 12:44 PM
QUOTE (Ulfgard the Unmaker @ Aug 6 2009, 12:41 PM)
The Imperium, for one, will march. There will be no question there. That said, after the 5th of November event, we will probably go check out this suburb. We've been bouncing around the West for a while. Believe me, we know what it's like. We'll head back afterwards. What's a few days going to obliterate that weeks and months havent already?

Not to be picking on you specifically, but a group that can barely defend its own suburbs from PKers probably will bring more bad to Eastonwood than good.

What's a few days? It's another suburb rebuilt, another few safehouses added for low level players to sleep in, and thus, more potential long term players of the game. That's a few days.

Posted by: Ulfgard the Unmaker Aug 6 2009, 12:48 PM
QUOTE (Vilien @ Aug 6 2009, 12:44 PM)
Not to be picking on you specifically, but a group that can barely defend its own suburbs from PKers probably will bring more bad to Eastonwood than good.

Well in this particular case, shouldn't you be glad we're on the march?

ON EDIT: That wasn't meant to be personal, either. The Imperium is under new leadership. The past can be left with the past leaders.

If there's going to be a discussion on that, it had best be in a different thread.

Posted by: haliman111 Aug 6 2009, 01:01 PM
QUOTE
so far the only real people to agree were at one time enemies in game, that being Umbrella and UBCS.


Umbrella and the UBCS will put our past behind us for this event. We have no problem working with them if they give us the same courtesy.

QUOTE
After last year's level of absolute and complete fail, all I can do is sit here and head desk repeatedly until I give myself enough brain damage to make this seem like it is either funny or a good idea.


Last year was bad, yes. Why? It got the same reception it's getting now. Look, just give it a chance. It'll be great.

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It's going to be called that by the trenchcoaters who decide to follow through with this.


If the page is made, it won't be by us. We don't care.

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...more potential long term players of the game. That's a few days.


Older members thinking about leaving are just as important.

Posted by: Lord Moloch Aug 6 2009, 01:33 PM
QUOTE (Misanthropy @ Aug 6 2009, 05:09 PM)
I've had a few low-level zeds (hell, some of my high-level survivors started off as baby zeds), and yeah, it's a slog, but taking a headshot early only slows you down, it doesn't force you to find, and wait for, a revive, possibly deal with an infection when you've got no idea what you're doing, and so on. It's boring, and it's slow, but it's not punishing.

In a game in which playing time is limited to just forty-eight moves per day, headshot takes a third of those moves each time for a new zombie who will also spend two AP per step whilst moving. If that is not punishing then what is?

I've recently started a new zombie and have turned him into quite the killing machine already, but that's because I have been playing this game for more than two-and-a-half years and know how to do it.

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Umbrella and the UBCS will put our past behind us for this event. We have no problem working with them if they give us the same courtesy.


So you're going to zerg rush Ridleybank?

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What you should really say is, on the 5th of November, which will be proceeded by days of barricade strafing, survivors will repair and rebuild the Blackmore building


You flatter them, Kamden. The two most recent 5/11s did not even manage to occupy Blackmore.

Posted by: Johnny Bass Aug 6 2009, 02:10 PM
QUOTE (haliman111 @ Aug 6 2009, 01:01 PM)
Last year was bad, yes. Why? It got the same reception it's getting now. Look, just give it a chance. It'll be great.

I'd give it a chance if everything wasn't essentially copy and pasted from every previous year's Fifth. You've done absolutely nothing to differentiate it from previous ones aside from saying "BUT THIS YEAR WILL BE FUNNY." I see nothing different about it thus far to make it funny. I'm seeing the same groups pop in with the same recycled trenchy propaganda for this sad event.

Want anyone to think this year will be different? Do something different or at least present it differently. Show us what will be different or funny about it this time. "ZOMG WE R GOIN IN TEH RIDELEYBONKZ ANZ KILLUN SUM ZOMBAIZ" isn't differentiation. All I see right now is the same exact original message, the same exact image from 4 years ago, and the same exact goals. Just saying "Give it a chance" isn't changing anything.

Posted by: Misanthropy Aug 6 2009, 02:20 PM
QUOTE (Lord Moloch @ Aug 6 2009, 01:33 PM)
In a game in which playing time is limited to just forty-eight moves per day, headshot takes a third of those moves each time for a new zombie who will also spend two AP per step whilst moving. If that is not punishing then what is?

It slows progress but it doesn't temporarily force you into a whole other play style. I've raised a few low-level zeds entirely by myself, namely my first three characters, and I've never considered it anything more than incredibly annoying.

Posted by: Ulfgard the Unmaker Aug 6 2009, 02:31 PM
I've got a novel idea. Why don't those of you who think it sucks and don't want anything to do with it just not bother posting? Save the thread for those of us who ARE interested. That would save everyone a whole lot of time and aggravation. Start a new thread just to mock us if you want, but, seriously... just because you don't like it doesn't mean you have to come in here and give the rest of us a hard time.

Posted by: Hal Jordan Aug 6 2009, 03:17 PM
QUOTE (Ulfgard the Unmaker @ Aug 6 2009, 02:31 PM)
I've got a novel idea. Why don't those of you who think it sucks and don't want anything to do with it just not bother posting? Save the thread for those of us who ARE interested. That would save everyone a whole lot of time and aggravation. Start a new thread just to mock us if you want, but, seriously... just because you don't like it doesn't mean you have to come in here and give the rest of us a hard time.

Aw, want some tissues? If you can't handle criticism in a thread, how are you going to handle it when your invasion fails?

Posted by: labine50 Aug 6 2009, 03:20 PM
No offence, but the best way to save time and aggravation would be to just drop the entire Ridleybank idea and focus your efforts elsehwere. The 5/11 was amazing back in '06 because it was a challenge. It wasn't that it was impossible, it's just that nobody did it. Ever.

Now, there's been at least 100 missions into Ridleybank, and even the RRF barely cares enough to make offhand "Silly survivors" or "Bring BBQ sauce" comments when they pop up. For this 5/11, why not do something new and exciting? Bring the entire NE back to yellow or green on the suburb danger map. Take back the DMZ or SSZ in one go. Keep Eastonwood in the green for a month. Whatever.

Posted by: The Colonel Aug 6 2009, 03:28 PM
Maybe because the UC, UBCS and Imperium all ready took part in a clearing the NE campaign and yet again Dulston stays Red, Santlerville has become Red thanks to The Dead Bunnies who will move on



the reason the wiki is copy paste of the old is because the guy who started it for us isn't the best at editing so he did a copy paste of the old stuff

im working on it, relax

Posted by: Lord Moloch Aug 6 2009, 03:29 PM
QUOTE (Misanthropy @ Aug 6 2009, 07:20 PM)
It slows progress but it doesn't temporarily force you into a whole other play style.

Forget about play style, mate. Style is pretty much irrelevant next to playing time. What babah zambahz are deprived of is not the ability to play in a certain way, but rather the ability to play at all.

Let's consider this: Babah zambah gets up after a headshot. They've got 34 AP tops. They don't stand up with food immediately available, so they have to walk at 2 AP per step. If they don't get lucky and find anyone to eat then they have to debarricade a building, for which they have a mere 12.5% success rate. Then, when they finally take down the last level of barricades on a building, they can't get in anyway because they can't open doors. If the zombie gets combat revived then it's even worse, as they wind up having to stand up twice, for a 22 AP total loss. Frustrating it certainly is, but I would go one further and say that it borders on punitive. What drives new zombies players away is the fact that for them the game is far too often often over in a single meat-free blink.

We all know that there are both easy and hard options as a survivor. The easiest class to start as is the firefighter, whilst the scout has it comparatively tough. However, with the massive EP gains to be made from healing, the scout doesn't have that hard of a time after all. What makes it more obviously unbalanced is that survivors have the option on whether or not to go 'Hard Mode', whilst anyone who wants to start as a zombie gets the same s**t no matter what due to the lack of zombie classes.

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I've got a novel idea. Why don't those of you who think it sucks and don't want anything to do with it just not bother posting? Save the thread for those of us who ARE interested. That would save everyone a whole lot of time and aggravation. Start a new thread just to mock us if you want, but, seriously... just because you don't like it doesn't mean you have to come in here and give the rest of us a hard time.


I'll give you a hint: This is a public forum. By posting here the call goes out from the leaders for input. Some of that input will be negative and when the idea is as tedious, unoriginal and outright stupid as this one is then almost all of the input will be negative.

In other news:

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Posted by: PrepH Aug 6 2009, 03:40 PM
QUOTE (Lord Moloch @ Aug 6 2009, 03:29 PM)
whilst anyone who wants to start as a zombie gets the same s**t no matter what due to the lack of zombie classes.

http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1430172

I woke him up to be my second rotter but leveling without a feeding program is damn time consuming. He's outside the Cowdry Cinema in Whittenside right now. Any nice rotter that wants to feed me can just drag the meat outside. Thank you! laugh.gif

Posted by: Ulfgard the Unmaker Aug 6 2009, 03:50 PM
Hey, it was just a thought. Believe me, if you want to sit here and try to talk us out of it like we aren't as stubborn as groxes, be my guest. You're going to succeed about as well as we will on November the 5th. Don't be surprised when none of us listen to anything you say.

Posted by: Misanthropy Aug 6 2009, 03:54 PM
Maybe I had it easy as a zed, but combat revives were a rarity, harmans not uncommon, ZKing perfectly viable, and levelling not all that difficult compared to what seems to be the worst-case scenario you're considering. I got Saor Eireann maxed out as a zed in a few weeks, and the only thing that kept Electric Cigarette from being level 43 for so long was waiting for a rot revive. It's slow but not difficult. Awkward, challenging even, but there's not an element iof actual difficulty.

Posted by: 70758552 Aug 6 2009, 03:58 PM
I had better warn my barbahs to stay off the streets of the Bonk for a day whike trenchcoater heaven descends and my UDTOOL goes into a shade of teale.

I mean really I never saw this much self promoting nonsense in all my life. There have been many visitors to the bonk and I have to say it only seems to be Umbrella that arrive to the sound of their own horn. I mean come on, if your going to attack, attack, hold it for a day and then stand stoicly stroking each others hair afterwards, don't post on a public chat forum 3 months out and then whine people are mocking you.

Perhaps you should take on the Molebank Zerger for some real action.







Posted by: The Colonel Aug 6 2009, 04:37 PM
I'm not whining, im only saying were leaving you guys a present when we leave, dont believe me i have been editing the wiki for the past hour

Posted by: Hal Jordan Aug 6 2009, 05:27 PM
QUOTE (The Colonel @ Aug 6 2009, 04:37 PM)
i have been editing the wiki for the past hour

you want a big boy cookie?

Posted by: labine50 Aug 6 2009, 05:39 PM
QUOTE (Ulfgard the Unmaker @ Aug 6 2009, 02:50 PM)
Hey, it was just a thought. Believe me, if you want to sit here and try to talk us out of it like we aren't as stubborn as groxes, be my guest. You're going to succeed about as well as we will on November the 5th. Don't be surprised when none of us listen to anything you say.

Remind me to never write up a well thought out reply to a post by you ever again.

Posted by: Goribus Aug 6 2009, 05:40 PM
QUOTE (labine50 @ Aug 6 2009, 05:39 PM)
Remind me to never write up a well thought out reply to a post by you ever again.

He's a member of the Imperium. You should have seen that coming labine. nono.gif

Posted by: The Colonel Aug 6 2009, 06:36 PM
QUOTE (Hal Jordan @ Aug 6 2009, 05:27 PM)
you want a big boy cookie?

i can haz cookie? smile.gif

Posted by: Vilien Aug 6 2009, 09:09 PM
QUOTE (Ulfgard the Unmaker @ Aug 6 2009, 03:50 PM)
Hey, it was just a thought. Believe me, if you want to sit here and try to talk us out of it like we aren't as stubborn as groxes, be my guest. You're going to succeed about as well as we will on November the 5th. Don't be surprised when none of us listen to anything you say.

If you plan to save your group's image, then you'll have a long way to go if you keep making posts like this.

Posted by: Revenant Aug 6 2009, 09:14 PM
QUOTE (70758552 @ Aug 6 2009, 03:58 PM)
I mean come on, if your going to attack, attack, hold it for a day and then stand stoicly stroking each others hair afterwards, don't post on a public chat forum 3 months out and then whine people are mocking you.

I was just about to make this point myself. Guys, if you want to make something of this, you should actually sit down and work out a decent publicity campaign. Make it something new, fresh, and actually interesting to people, not the same old piss-poor V for Vendetta ripoff. And keep it under wraps while you work out the details.

A half-arsed announcement a quarter of a year in advance isn't going to inspire anyone, and you're blowing all your steam early. My advice? Get it together, get it good, get it polished, and then sit on it until you're ready to actually ramp up. I'd say more than a month's public campaign for something like this is overkill.

Of course, I'm pretty sure you're going to ignore everything I and others have said, but this way I'll earn the right to say, "I told you so." tongue.gif

Posted by: Doctor Tom Aug 6 2009, 11:17 PM
QUOTE (70758552 @ Aug 6 2009, 03:58 PM)

Perhaps you should take on the Molebank Zerger for some real action.

THIS.


As a strongly Pro-Survivor PKer (casually ask Amber Waves of Pain about this if you have any doubts about my sincerity), I defy anyone to present an argument which could convince me that:

A. Ridleybank is strategically more important than Molebank.

B. Attacking a 'burb controlled by a fair-playing horde which apparently uses Ridleybank as its nursery for lowbies is more fun, satisfying, and helpful than attacking a 'burb controlled by a single player with >10 zombie alts, and is a self-confessed griefer/zerger. A large scale attack might actually cause him to screw up the big one and get himself banned.

C. Ridleybank is nicer real-estate than Molebank, and that people will stand a chance of repopulating it longer and more successfully than Molebank.

D. Refer back to A. Seriously, Molebank has SIX Necrotechs, 2 Police Departments, and 2 Hospitals. It also has a huge number of Fire Stations, and considering the huge number of new players who opt to play as FireFighters, Firestations are Recruitment-Bases/Population-Starters for a suburb. Ridleybank has only 1 Necrotech, 2 Police Departments, a high number of (pretty much worthless) Hospitals, and only one Firestation which could encourage native population.


I dearly hope someone tries to justify their annual celebration of inevitable eradication and foolishness by responding to these points.
Mostly because I have much more to say on this subject, and partly because I wish to beat someone over the head.

Posted by: Kamden Aug 7 2009, 01:07 AM
The fact that UBCS and Imperium are willing to commit their resources to a tactically, strategically, logistically, and AP-wise pointless action says to me that they are a operational non-entity, with poor leadership and pathetic ideas about how to make a public relations campaign. The DoHS will take care of them accordingly, like they usually do.

Seriously people, think with your brains.

Posted by: Amber Rose Aug 7 2009, 01:25 AM
WHat Doctor Tom said. I mean, seriously...

Posted by: Lord_K Aug 7 2009, 02:39 AM
Doctor Tom,

Please allow me to introduce myself. I'm Lord Krustlebuttes and am in charge of Winter Company, which is UBCS' team in NW Malton. Everything you've said about Molebank I agree with and it was a big factor (along with Eastonwood) in choosing the location of our new home in the NW.

UBCS has a large number of people spread across different countries, cultures, and timezones with very different personalities but I can safely say that as a group we are NOT stupid.

The 5th of November is always about having fun and finding ways for survivors to entertain themselves in an (admittedly useless) display of coordination. Having been present at a couple of Blackmore sieges it is usually a fun, though not very useful distraction.

Our long-term plans in the northwest including Molebank remain unchanged. We are still forming alliances, repairing resources and suburbs, clearing revive points, planning operations, and doing everything else that a good survivor group does. Srs bsns 24-7-365 can grow old is all.

Now, I'm going to go draw and quarter our PR department.

Regards,

Posted by: Turkmenbashi Aug 7 2009, 07:26 AM
QUOTE (haliman111 @ Aug 5 2009, 03:52 PM)
It means whenever they feel like taking something, they do it. Let's go and take something back.

What are you talking about? I've got an alt in 404: Barhah Not Found, and we take what we want* all the time.




* Except Fort Perryn. Partly because the local zombies are swell guys, and partly because I accidentally the whole gatehouse. Twice. smile.gif

Posted by: Johnny Bass Aug 7 2009, 07:59 AM
Oh, just to be clear, given UCBS's shady new multiple-alt rules and Umbrella's piss poor history with alt policies, we can expect each player to bring their 4 alts to Ridleybank this year?

Posted by: Turkmenbashi Aug 7 2009, 10:33 AM
QUOTE (Johnny Bass @ Aug 7 2009, 07:59 AM)
Oh, just to be clear, given UCBS's shady new multiple-alt rules and Umbrella's piss poor history with alt policies, we can expect each player to bring their 4 alts to Ridleybank this year?

Stop bellyaching. 4 alts a pop just means your baby zombies can level up quicker smile.gif

Posted by: Lord_K Aug 7 2009, 01:02 PM
QUOTE (Johnny Bass @ Aug 7 2009, 07:59 AM)
Oh, just to be clear, given UCBS's shady new multiple-alt rules and Umbrella's piss poor history with alt policies, we can expect each player to bring their 4 alts to Ridleybank this year?

If they desire to be permanently expelled from the group and zerg listed, then certainly.

Posted by: karek Aug 7 2009, 01:06 PM
QUOTE (haliman111 @ Aug 5 2009, 10:25 PM)
The what will you be doing November 5th? Restocking in a green burb?

If you're involved in it certainly doing nothing would be more productive and fun for 90% of people everywhere.

Posted by: The Colonel Aug 7 2009, 04:32 PM
QUOTE (Lord_K @ Aug 7 2009, 01:02 PM)
If they desire to be permanently expelled from the group and zerg listed, then certainly.

common now Johnny you know I've been reporting people to Resens for a little while

i can't speak for Umbrella but i know UBCS is keeping characters in separate suburbs far away from each other

Posted by: Johnny Bass Aug 7 2009, 04:41 PM

QUOTE (Your own forum)

The UBCS Companies are allowed one account per member each.


Separate or no, that's a piss poor alt policy

Posted by: Ulfgard the Unmaker Aug 8 2009, 08:13 PM
QUOTE (labine50 @ Aug 6 2009, 05:39 PM)
Remind me to never write up a well thought out reply to a post by you ever again.

Actually, that was in response to a different post.

QUOTE
Aw, want some tissues? If you can't handle criticism in a thread, how are you going to handle it when your invasion fails?


Should have quoted that earlier.

In response to Vilien's post:
QUOTE
If you plan to save your group's image, then you'll have a long way to go if you keep making posts like this.


Quite frankly, I tell things as they are. There's no reason to NOT cut directly to the meat and gristle of the matter. As to the Imperial image, we are no-nonsense. People hate us, this is true. They are not going to stop hating us any time soon. We will not be disuaded from our set course. Not going to lie, there aren't many of us left. But we have learned from our past. Our troops are educated in Imperial history in Malton and we hold high penalties for trenchcoating and spying, the old crimes the Imperium has been so vilified for in the past. This has actually given rise to the "blunt", manner you seem to be so offended by. There has been too much trickery and half-truth for all of us. We don't bother with being over-delicate.

Posted by: Jelly Otter Aug 10 2009, 02:55 AM
tldr; my turn

Do something different instead of retake ridley, that boring, CR everything that moves (yes you will die but so what), or pinata every building to vsb, because you can. Or better yet have a ton of people gather in a dark club there and see how long it takes for everyone to die. I mean I almost feel like something has to be done on the 5th, make sigs that say I totally died at the 5th wooooo. But for the love of god be creative at least.

Johnny may kill me for encouraging the 5th, but I laughs at him. Because I truly has a reason to laugh at him, and wish to make babah papa's job as painful as possible in my limited visitations. It warms my soul. Ahhh.

Posted by: The Colonel Aug 10 2009, 09:15 AM
Jelly we will bring Taders biggrin.gif if you come

Posted by: Thadeous Oakley Aug 10 2009, 02:17 PM
QUOTE (haliman111 @ Aug 6 2009, 01:01 PM)
Umbrella and the UBCS will put our past behind us for this event. We have no problem working with them if they give us the same courtesy.

Speak for yourself please. Thank you.

Now, I really wouldn't count Umbrella in because as a group, we will not be present.
And no, I'm not going to address the zerg thing here.

And on another note, why are talking about this? It's August and that event is almost 3 months away. Who knows what will have changed by then? (probably damn little, but hey...)
Anyway, the entire 5th event has had its time. I am putting my money on an even bigger fail then last year with even less participants. Though despite all that dislike, it had its moments the first few years.
Back then you had more then 50 groups signing up, back then the RRF (along with FU) actually bothered to sign up on the wiki page. Nowadays, it's a waste of time, life and AP. Sure it was a original and interesting concept, but wouldn't it better to pull the plug and put it out of its misery?

And like others have already suggested, coming up with some new fresh ideas?

Posted by: Visible_One Aug 11 2009, 09:33 PM
Take down the Molebank Zerger, and many of us will actually be impressed. You might even enjoy it. Do the same thing that's done every year, and lose (again) - well, you might have fun, but you won't win any respect for it.

Posted by: Misanthropy Aug 11 2009, 09:43 PM
I'm actually game for this Molebank idea, if we're following through with it.

Posted by: Amber Rose Aug 12 2009, 12:30 AM
Take down the Miltown zerger as well. That guy's a complete pain in the butt...

Posted by: Matson Jade Aug 12 2009, 06:18 AM
Open Season on trenchcoaters in Ridleybank this november? I'm normally not too interested in PKing but I'd do it for a laugh. Haven't shot at anything in months.

Posted by: Jelly Otter Aug 12 2009, 09:22 AM
QUOTE (Amber Rose @ Aug 12 2009, 05:30 AM)
Take down the Miltown zerger as well. That guy's a complete pain in the butt...

Agreed. :/

Oh and Colonel I would love to, but I go on hiatus again in a few days until Christmas break. sad.gif

It's the only way I can avoid promotions and getting stuck with leading stuff >.> It makes johnny angry \o/

Posted by: Johnny Bass Aug 12 2009, 10:59 AM
QUOTE (Jelly Otter @ Aug 12 2009, 09:22 AM)
It's the only way I can avoid promotions and getting stuck with leading stuff >.> It makes johnny angry \o/

We'll just start mailing you work to do instead of relying on the internet

Posted by: The Colonel Aug 12 2009, 04:41 PM
thats why i hardly post on barhah anymore zoey, i go check orders and stay active in the IRC where im away 1/2 the time


i do have a question for Thad though, well 2

1: your one to talk about Ridleybank when Umbrella constantly makes "training" runs into Ridleybank to try to retake stuff
2: Did you really create an account just to post in my thread wub.gif

Posted by: Lord Moloch Aug 12 2009, 06:54 PM
QUOTE (The Colonel @ Aug 12 2009, 09:41 PM)
thats why i hardly post on barhah anymore zoey, i go check orders and stay active in the IRC where im away 1/2 the time

You think Johnny's going to promote you? I know he likes the sauce a bit, but even Hemmingway didn't drink that much. wink.gif

Posted by: Misanthropy Aug 12 2009, 07:52 PM
Hemmingway was a lightweight!

Posted by: The Colonel Aug 12 2009, 08:25 PM
*The Colonel has quotes from Moloch threatening to add all of GC to the WC
Timmah included

Posted by: Jelly Otter Aug 12 2009, 11:49 PM
QUOTE (The Colonel @ Aug 13 2009, 01:25 AM)
*The Colonel has quotes from Moloch threatening to add all of GC to the WC
Timmah included

He says it but he rarely means it. He only followed through on his threats to promote me maybe 25% of the time. laugh.gif

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